Owen Coyle- Insufferable kiss ass

Strongbow10

Bolton are really struggling, Coyle has often been tipped as a future star manager in the making, I believe he was called "the new Bill Shankly" at one stage.

One thing that strikes me about him is his unique ability to talk absolute rubbish and talk a hell of alot without actually saying anything of any substance.

He also has a rather annoying habit of being gushing with praise for whoever he is playing against, like he is trying to be everyones friend. No matter what the tribute being paid to someone you can guarantee Coyle will be the first to kiss their hole, be it an opposing manager or player.

His interview today was gas, optimisitc to a tee more or less laying blame at his players door.

Is he a spoofer or the highest order or is he a talented football manager?

Personally I think he plays the game very well, he did well in the lower leagues but he knows who to suck up to (pretty much anyone of real note). He has a reputation which is not based on much apart from taking Burnley to the premiership, and leaving halfway through.

If he was a boxer I would say he was very carefully matched and a very good self promoter but found out when at the highest level.

Kess73

Owen Coyle is Frank Bruno?

Jayob10

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Bolton are really struggling, Coyle has often been tipped as a future star manager in the making, I believe he was called "the new Bill Shankly" at one stage.

One thing that strikes me about him is his unique ability to talk absolute rubbish and talk a hell of alot without actually saying anything of any substance.

He also has a rather annoying habit of being gushing with praise for whoever he is playing against, like he is trying to be everyones friend. No matter what the tribute being paid to someone you can guarantee Coyle will be the first to kiss their hole, be it an opposing manager or player.

His interview today was gas, optimisitc to a tee more or less laying blame at his players door.

Is he a spoofer or the highest order or is he a talented football manager?

Personally I think he plays the game very well, he did well in the lower leagues but he knows who to suck up to (pretty much anyone of real note). He has a reputation which is not based on much apart from taking Burnley to the premiership, and leaving halfway through.

If he was a boxer I would say he was very carefully matched and a very good self promoter but found out when at the highest level.

Its funny you say this, I had this conversation with a mate earlier in the season, anytime Coyle is talking on tv he seems to be talking about how great someone is be it Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Steve Bruce, Phil Brown even got a mention

Had he not left Burnley and got the Bolton job he'd probably have gone the route of Brown and disappeared into obscurity

Strongbow10

Kess73 wrote: »

Owen Coyle is Frank Bruno?

for some reason I see 'Arry Redknapp as more like Bruno

Paully D

Another manager who has been found out after a while. See Phil Brown, Ian Dowie, etc.

The myth about him playing good football was exactly that as well, they often played better stuff under Megson.

Only for they're over £100m in debt he'd be looking for a new job now.

eagle eye

Owen Coyle is a brilliant manager imo. He is stuck at a club with no money and thats been the case at every club he has been at. One bad year and people are all out to criticise him and say they always knew he was a flash in the pan etc.

Strongbow10

eagle eye wrote: »

Owen Coyle is a brilliant manager imo. He is stuck at a club with no money and thats been the case at every club he has been at. One bad year and people are all out to criticise him and say they always knew he was a flash in the pan etc.

Fair dues he got Burnley promoted, but there have been flukes before that.

He was decent if not spectacular with St Johnstone. It just seems he had alot of hype around him.

And he has had some money lets be honest, signing David N'Gog for instance was a disaster. Bolton are a far poorer side since he took the reins.

I think it was the journalist Jonathan Wilson who compiled alot of stats about top flight sides, he was asked if he received any queries from managers as to his findings and he said he had, he named names. He also said he received alot of abuse from one particular manager when he blew apart the myth that his side play good football.
Wilson said this manager was Owen Coyle, all the official stats show they are actually the side that play the most primitive style of football, in terms of the amount of long balls played, yellow cards etc....

Coyle was a little upset that he had tarnished his rep as a forward thinking innovator with mere "facts and stats"

Paully D

Strongbow10 wrote: »

I think it was the journalist Jonathan Wilson who compiled alot of stats about top flight sides, he was asked if he received any queries from managers as to his findings and he said he had, he named names. He also said he received alot of abuse from one particular manager when he blew apart the myth that his side play good football.

Wilson said this manager was Owen Coyle, all the official stats show they are actually the side that play the most primitive style of football, in terms of the amount of long balls played, yellow cards etc....

Coyle was a little upset that he had tarnished his rep as a forward thinking innovator with mere "facts and stats"

Jonathan Wilson is an absolutely fantastic writer IMO, the best and arguably the most knowledgeable 'pundit' around.

Soups123

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Bolton are really struggling, Coyle has often been tipped as a future star manager in the making, I believe he was called "the new Bill Shankly" at one stage.

One thing that strikes me about him is his unique ability to talk absolute rubbish and talk a hell of alot without actually saying anything of any substance.

He also has a rather annoying habit of being gushing with praise for whoever he is playing against, like he is trying to be everyones friend. No matter what the tribute being paid to someone you can guarantee Coyle will be the first to kiss their hole, be it an opposing manager or player.

His interview today was gas, optimisitc to a tee more or less laying blame at his players door.

Is he a spoofer or the highest order or is he a talented football manager?

Personally I think he plays the game very well, he did well in the lower leagues but he knows who to suck up to (pretty much anyone of real note). He has a reputation which is not based on much apart from taking Burnley to the premiership, and leaving halfway through.

If he was a boxer I would say he was very carefully matched and a very good self promoter but found out when at the highest level.

Maybe he's just a decent guy, I've never met him but comes across as someone genuine.

As for being a spoofer he's just done his job at any club he's been if everyone else wants to say he's great that ain't his fault.

Certainly too early to say he's a spoofer, he's struggling now if he gets the chop he'll get another go at it quick enough.

Hannibal

In fairness to Coyle he was very unlucky to lose both Holden and Lee for the whole of this season to long term injuries, they were two of his better players last year plus Elmander and Sturridge were both fantastic at different stages of last season so that's two long term injuries, one free transfer out and a loan return not being replaced plus the sale of Matt Taylor. I expect Cahill to move in January for less than £10m considering his contract is up in June.

Looking at their squad I find it hard to see them getting the points to catch up and keep them in the PL and with that squad I somehow don't think they will bounce back either.

In respect to him being a kiss ass, he's following on from the likes of Moyes and Redknapp who make up for their ineptness as managers by trying to be everyones best mate so they will get complimented in return by the other managers.

Paully D

Dotsey wrote: »

In respect to him being a kiss ass, he's following on from the likes of Moyes and Redknapp who make up for their ineptness as managers by trying to be everyones best mate so they will get complimented in return by the other managers.

You forgot Steve Bruce.

He managed to get judged as a ''harsh sacking'' because of his friendships with managers and the media despite Sunderland sticking by him through 3 awful runs in 2 and a bit seasons, and 2 wins at home in a calender year.

eagle eye

Paully D wrote: »

You forgot Steve Bruce.

He managed to get judged as a ''harsh sacking'' because of his friendships with managers and the media despite Sunderland sticking by him through 3 awful runs in 2 and a bit seasons, and 2 wins at home in a calender year.

Steve Bruce is the very opposite of Owen Coyle. Bruce had many bad seasons but two decent ones during his career as a manager have him judged as a very good one. Coyle has had only one bad one and its the current one and now people are calling him a spoofer and all sorts.

dahat

What will he talk about when he eventually convinces someone to pay over the odds for Gary Cahill?

On a par with Roy Hodgson tbh.

doc_17

it's annoying when every time he gets interviewed he refers to teams (including his own) as "the football club" Are there people out there who aren't aware what sport he is participating in?

Crazy Horse 6

He was mentioned as a replacement for Rafa some years back, i think he would have actually done a worse job than even Hodgson. Uhhhh the thoughts of it.:(

Paully D

rarnes1 wrote: »

On a par with Roy Hodgson tbh.

Coyle's not fit to lick the dirt off his boots.

Just because Roy Hodgson was never given a chance at Liverpool despite having only a slightly worse record than Kenny Dalglish doesn't make him a poor manager, which is what Owen Coyle is.

rossie1977

Paully D wrote: »

Coyle's not fit to lick the dirt off his boots.

Just because Roy Hodgson was never given a chance at Liverpool despite having only a slightly worse record than Kenny Dalglish doesn't make him a poor manager, which is what Owen Coyle is.

i would bet the house that if coyle had got the liverpool job last year instead of hodgson he wouldn't have done any worse, liverpool had the worst away record in the division when hodgson left on january 4th, lost at home to northampton (18th in league 2 at the time), wolves (bottom of the table and without an away point before coming to anfield) and blackpool, had liverpool 2nd bottom and only off the bottom on goal difference coming into november

doc_17

Hodgson got his chance and signed Konchesky and Poulson

5starpool

Paully D wrote: »

Coyle's not fit to lick the dirt off his boots.

Just because Roy Hodgson was never given a chance at Liverpool despite having only a slightly worse record than Kenny Dalglish doesn't make him a poor manager, which is what Owen Coyle is.

Rubbish. If you think Roy Hodgson was doing almost as good a job as Dalglish, you know nothing.

League records at Liverpool:

Hodgson - Played 20, points 25
Dalglish - Played 34, points 62

We can also include losing at home to the mighty Northampton in the League cup, but I'm sure you will include the irrelevant Europa league wins against the giants from Turkey in our historic away win there, and the like in riposte. The only real results that matter are the league ones anyhow. Liverpool are not where they want to be yet, but to say that Hodgson did almost as good a job as Dalglish is an insult to the intelligence of anyone with eyes to see the change in results, attitude and style of play.

DOC09UNAM

Paully D wrote: »

Coyle's not fit to lick the dirt off his boots.

Just because Roy Hodgson was never given a chance at Liverpool despite having only a slightly worse record than Kenny Dalglish doesn't make him a poor manager, which is what Owen Coyle is.

I think your massive dislike of Liverpool is playing tricks on your mind this time Paully.


Hodgson was given a good run at liverpool, but he signed shíte players, the style of footballl was shíte, and he was shíte with press conferences, in fact so hilariously shíte, I used to tune it at the end of some pool matches on purpose for his next clanger.

Minstrel27

dahat wrote: »

What will he talk about when he eventually convinces someone to pay over the odds for Gary Cahill?

Isn't he out of contract next summer? They could have sold him last summer but played hard ball and lost.