The end of Creative one note Characters in WWE?

rovert

HHH has a pretty radical idea for developmental :P :

While it’s been talked about for months, it looks like HHH’s changes in developmental are going to be implemented soon. We don’t know any of them yet other than Matt Matalaro, who had been working hands on in developmental including announcing the shows, is now working out of Stamford with the creative team. His role is to help coordinate debuts and characters of new talent called up. HHH’s idea, and this is a good one, is to not call anyone up unless creative has an idea of their character and a long-term idea of what to do with them. They don’t want guys called up, and then have them flounder with nothing to do, which then gets people thinking that the guys are just filler guys because they know they have to create stars. There is an admission there are guys in Florida now who are better than the guys on the main roster, but the guys people talk about, whether they be Husky Harris or Dean Ambrose or Percy Watson or Seth Rollins, they want them to more complete and at their best when introducing them on television and all have things they can improve on. There has also been an admission, since Ambrose and Rollins are in the ring better than just about anyone there, that working the indies for years is not considered as much a laughing point or a negative as in the past.

Ill miss ideas like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWKY6oFQroE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgkHWo9WPp8

Any favourites?

gimmick

Makes perfect sense. Kudos big nose.

rovert

lol'd GIMMICK is the first to reply

Diabhal Beag

I agree he has a big nose

parker kent

HHH has saved the WWE. Bow down to the King of Kings.

rossie1977

vince doesn't sign these guys to development deals, doesn't watch them work down in fcw and doesn't even talk to them, until that changes and goes back to something like it was (vince and linda inviting new talent over to their home and accessing them there like with everyone in the 1990s) then very few of these development guys will get pushes unless one catches stephanies eye like cena did or hhhs eye like batista

rovert

rossie1977 wrote: »

vince doesn't sign these guys to development deals, doesn't watch them work down in fcw and doesn't even talk to them, until that changes and goes back to something like it was (vince and linda inviting new talent over to their home and accessing them there like with everyone in the 1990s) then very few of these development guys will get pushes unless one catches stephanies eye like cena did or hhhs eye like batista

Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWn1odAk3IA

Lord TSC

This is one of those things we should expect, not be happy for. Yet I find myself thrilled if this is true...

gimmick

Im confused. Do you want to see fellas continually brought onto the main roster even when creative have absolutely nothing for them and they eventually become a bland jobber before being released? Or is it better that a fella is brought through with plenty of forethought on the direction his character will take?

Or did I read what HHH wants to do completely wrong?

starviewadams

Good idea,interesting to see if it will be followed through though.

Any word on when Rollins or Moxley will get called up?

rovert

starviewadams wrote: »

Any word on when Rollins or Moxley will get called up?

PWInsider reported last month that WWE creative, HHH, JR and more were heading down to evaluate them specificly in December. Which may have happened last week as FCW did a secret TV taping to suss out programming ideas for FCW for the WWE Network.

Lord TSC

gimmick wrote: »

Do you want to see fellas continually brought onto the main roster even when creative have absolutely nothing for them and they eventually become a bland jobber before being released?

Did someone imply this? :S

cian68

How much do the wrestlers come up with their own stuff?

GTR63

I wonder how many of the current roster wwe know where they are going with long term. Poor Sheamus is dossing about waiting for Christian(I miss him too) to heal up. There are plenty in worse situations then like McIntyre, Brodus somethingorother, even a guy like Kofi is in tag team purgatory after showing great promise. While I agree with HHH here about bringing up more talent for the sake of it there is talent on the main roster at nothing but wrestling on superstars week in week out.

rovert

cian68 wrote: »

How much do the wrestlers come up with their own stuff?

That is the most depends question you could probably ask. WWE is like any office environment. Very person to person with a lot of politics being played.

Some wrestlers have power to dictate stuff but take whatever is in front of them. Prime example is John Cena who takes whatever writers give him from bad jokes to very dislikable stances on titles (not really caring) & the Rock (being a whiny douche).

Others come in with a very definite idea of what they want to do. Prime example of this Chris Jericho and his last run with WWE. He came up with his own storylines with minimal input from writers. To the degree people in WWE would play a practical joke with a new writer by handing them a word for word script to deliver to Jericho. Who being a hot head and being in on the joke who bat the script away and shout at them.

Wrestlers below main event level have most of their stuff written for them. Some wrestlers pitch and pitch ideas as encouraged by management. However writers rarely use them as the writers dont want wrestlers to write for themselves as they would be out of a job. In fairness to the writers wrestlers ideas would be naturally self interested and probably mostly suck. A lot of wrestlers are therefore frustrated with writers as they dont use their ideas.

Some wrestlers jump ahead of the line and approach Vince personally. The example I remember is Brian Kendrick who was stuck tagging with a very disinterested Paul London. Vince McMahon was so impressed by Kendick he gave him a solo push as The Brian Kendrick for a while.

cian68

rovert wrote: »

That is the most depends question you could probably ask. WWE is like any office environment. Very person to person with a lot of politics being played.

Some wrestlers have power to dictate stuff but take whatever is in front of them. Prime example is John Cena who takes whatever writers give him from bad jokes to very dislikable stances on titles (not really caring) & the Rock (being a whiny douche).

Others come in with a very definite idea of what they want to do. Prime example of this Chris Jericho and his last run with WWE. He came up with his own storylines with minimal input from writers. To the degree people in WWE would play a practical joke with a new writer by handing them a word for word script to deliver to Jericho. Who being a hot head and being in on the joke who bat the script away and shout at them.

Wrestlers below main event level have most of their stuff written for them. Some wrestlers pitch and pitch ideas as encouraged by management. However writers rarely use them as the writers dont want wrestlers to write for themselves as they would be out of a job. In fairness to the writers wrestlers ideas would be naturally self interested and probably mostly suck. A lot of wrestlers are therefore frustrated with writers as they dont use their ideas.

Some wrestlers jump ahead of the line and approach Vince personally. The example I remember is Brian Kendrick who was stuck tagging with a very disinterested Paul London. Vince McMahon was so impressed by Kendick he gave him a solo push as The Brian Kendrick for a while.

Cheers. I probably could have phrased my question better as the bit in bold was what I was really interested in. Less well known guys trying to have the control over their character Jericho did.

rovert

cian68 wrote: »

Cheers. I probably could have phrased my question better as the bit in bold was what I was really interested in. Less well known guys trying to have the control over their character Jericho did.

No worries. The dynamic between lower card wrestlers and creative is particularly fraught. As Vince, Steph & Co. only really care about main eventers. Wrestlers see the writers as impeding them from getting over as management encourages them to email writers about ideas for their character. Writers get in the ear from wrestlers and the writers have to placate them.

One particular story I've heard from those who know the players involved rather than the players themselves is that Stevie Richards a VERY mild mannered person in real life came to near blows with Dave Lagana an ex-long time head writer of Smackdown and ECW after being strung along for ages by Dave about a push. Kendrick and London ripped into Lagana in their shoot interview. As when they asked where we they going (creatively) Dave Lagana responded flippantly "I dont know, Taco Bell?"

the groutch

we are talking about the same Big Nose who signed Sin Cara, right?

Ridley

the groutch wrote: »

we are talking about the same Big Nose who signed Sin Cara, right?

The one that's not psychic, yeah. :pac:

rovert

Update on Rollins from PWInsider:

TOP FCW PROSPECT GOING ON ROAD FOR WWE
By Mike Johnson on 2011-12-16 09:42:46 Seth Rollins, the former Tyler Black, will be going on the road with the main WWE roster for the post-holiday TV and house shows the week of 12/26 so Producers and management can take a first hand look at him.
I don't know if he's being brought to the main roster officially, but there's been rumblings about bringing Rollins in recent weeks internally.

Rollins, a former ROH champion, has been one of the top standouts for WWE developmental this year with an incredible series of matches against Dean Ambrose.

therickreport

according to a good few ex-WWE employees Vince actually likes it when wrestlers go up to him and pitch ideas, saying "this is why you need to push me" etc. The Miz was supposedly doing it all the time and it turned out well for him. Mickie James also went to Vince directly with the the storyline about her as the psycho fan. obviously he doesn't like every idea and not everyone gets pushed

Lord TSC

the groutch wrote: »

we are talking about the same Big Nose who signed Sin Cara, right?

In fairness, no one could have predicted how big a flop Sin Cara would be, and most of his problems have been of his own doing, not creative's.

dlofnep

rovert wrote: »

Some wrestlers have power to dictate stuff but take whatever is in front of them. Prime example is John Cena who takes whatever writers give him from bad jokes to very dislikable stances on titles (not really caring) & the Rock (being a whiny douche).

And that's the The Rock is one of the greatest wrestlers to have ever lived, and Cena still gets booed - even with WWE doing everything they can to help him. Rock is just very creative. Why exactly is it being a whiny douche if he knows what's best for his character?

Haters gunna hate.

rovert

dlofnep wrote: »

And that's the The Rock is one of the greatest wrestlers to have ever lived, and Cena still gets booed - even with WWE doing everything they can to help him. Rock is just very creative. Why exactly is it being a whiny douche if he knows what's best for his character?

Haters gunna hate.

Early enough Saturday morning I know :P but Ive read this three times and I am not so clear on your point/stance.

dlofnep

rovert wrote: »

Early enough Saturday morning I know :P but Ive read this three times and I am not so clear on your point/stance.

My point was that you allay the Rock's persistence at directing his own persona/character as being a 'whiny douche'. My point is that it isn't being whiny to take your status, and use it to ensure your character is developed correctly. Especially when it turned out that the Rock was one of the few mega-superstars to have ever graced pro-wrestling.

Alternatively - you could simply be a yes man like Cena, and have your character completely destroyed.

EdK

I remember saying this a long time ago,Development should be assigned a name and gimmick or character when they arrive and given a chance to work through it until they are tv ready not just plucked one day thrown on tv and left to flounder with something alien to them

Sirsok

I always thought it would be interesting to create a gimmick that they feel they need and then have guys audition for the role, as oppose to just assigning gimmicks for guys they want to bring up that mightn't be all that interesting

GTR63

Dean Ambrose on the road with wwe too.
http://www.pwinsider.com/article/64254/top-wwe-prospect-working-wwe-shows-this-week.html?p=1

gnfnrhead

They seriously cant possibly screw up with Ambrose.

GTR63

gnfnrhead wrote: »

They seriously cant possibly screw up with Ambrose.

I don't know a lot about him i've heard his name mentioned a bit on boards.
Thats not being ignorant.
Whats he like in terms of style and gimmick

gnfnrhead

His style is definitely unique as is his gimmick. What I was referring to was the fact that he has everything you need to be a star. Great wrester, great talker, great personality, likeable, can work with more or less any opponent, can play a variety of roles in a match, most importantly he looks like a star already. I'd say he is/will soon be, better than Brock Lesnar was. He's big enough to play a bully heel but unlike Lesnar, he has many other options too. His loose cannon type gimmick is great.

The only thing WWE need to do is give him the ball and he's their next big thing but one who wont eff off after a few years.

rovert

gnfnrhead wrote: »

His style is definitely unique as is his gimmick.

Not really unique if you followed his influences on the indies and watched him put the pieces together - Clockwork Orange and The Dark Knight.

Dont get this Lesnar comparison.

gnfnrhead wrote: »

They seriously cant possibly screw up with Ambrose.

Jaysus you are giving them too much credit there WWE is the same promotion behind The Ringmaster & gave serious thought to firing Cena & Rock within their first year on the main roster.

Also WWE might decide he has an "attitude" or "does know how to work WWE style."

gnfnrhead

I meant unique in terms of wrestling, nobody else is really similar in any way for me.

As for Lesnar, he had all the tools and was pushed to the moon. Ambrose has the same tools and should get a similar push IMO. He's the best prospect they have gotten in years and if they give him the ball to run with, he'll be up there with Cena and Orton in a few years time.

rovert

Short but a really spirited clip of Daniel Bryan vs Dean Ambrose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAhGxpCoB9k

starviewadams

Has he been called up to the main roster??

gnfnrhead

starviewadams wrote: »

Has he been called up to the main roster??

Not yet but looks to be coming. Usually they give a few guys a run on house shows before promoting them to the main roster.

That's what this is. May have to start watching again when he gets called up, especially if Cessaro follows shortly after.

rovert

Lord TSC

Video has been removed by the poster, Rovert

Diabhal Beag

Tyler Black is a bit of a mong when it comes to knowing when to stay quiet

Horsebox9000

Video is gone what was it

gnfnrhead

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

Video is gone what was it

Looking at the title, I'm guessing he more or less told us he's getting called up to the main roster.

Charisteas

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

Video is gone what was it

I think he 'did a Brodus Clay' by letting slip something that he shouldn't have, likely being added to the main roster.