Travellers may lose homes to pay for Dale Farm eviction

EGAR · 13-12-2011 9:01pm #1

TRAVELLERS evicted from the controversial Dale Farm site in England may lose their homes in Limerick to pay for the major eviction operation.

The removal of the Travellers from the six-acre site in Essex is estimated to have cost Basildon Council €4.9m in legal and operational fees.

However, the local authority is keen to recoup the finance from those they removed from the site in October.

The Irish Independent has learned the council will seek to take possession of assets on this side of the Irish Sea if it is established they belong to people evicted from Dale Farm.

Many of the Dale Farm community -- including leading members who opposed the eviction -- are from Rathkeale, Co Limerick.

Each Christmas, they return to homes in the Limerick town.

Homes and properties in Rathkeale are registered to people who share the same names as those who lived on Dale Farm.

However, trying to establish that the registered owners and the Dale Farm residents are the same people could prove to be a lengthy legal process.

Assets

Speaking to the Irish Independent, former leader of Basildon Council, Malcolm Buckley, said the local authority was attempting to establish what assets were owned by the evicted Travellers.

"We will be looking to pursue the former occupants of Dale Farm. There are some obvious links in Rathkeale, but with this section of the community it can be difficult in proving who is who and who owns what," he said.

Mr Buckley, a Conservative councillor, serves as chair of the environmental committee of the council.

"Our legal people are looking at how those links can be confirmed or denied as the case may be. Certainly, if we are able to satisfactorily prove that connection, then it would certainly be a route that we would consider."

He said the "ball park" figure for clearing Dale Farm was estimated to be €4.9m.

"Whether we can recover the whole lot or not might be another story, but even if we only recover 10pc of it, it would make a significant difference to the amount of money we have to spend on other projects."

Mr Buckley was the leader of Basildon Council when it first began the protracted legal battle with Dale Farm residents.

He has served as a councillor since 1988. "I was leader when we started this process. I thought it would have been over long ago," he said.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/travellers-may-lose-homes-to-pay-for-cost-of-evictions-2954539.html

biko · 13-12-2011 9:12pm

So what's your take on this OP?

MugMugs · 13-12-2011 9:17pm

If I took a legal action I'd be subject to a debt action if I lost. Why's it any different for travellers and +1 to Biko.

EGAR · 13-12-2011 9:21pm

biko wrote: »

So what's your take on this OP?

I am amazed that it is alleged that some of them own houses in Rathkeale, THAT is my take on it.

starbelgrade · 13-12-2011 9:23pm

EGAR wrote: »

I am amazed that it is alleged that some of them own houses in Rathkeale, THAT is my take on it.

Why? Lots of people own more than 1 property.

im invisible · 13-12-2011 9:25pm

Aw, this house is Tommie's, im Tommy...

EGAR · 13-12-2011 9:26pm

Because they all screamed *we have nowhere to do* for starters?

13-12-2011 9:26pm

Makes sense in theory, but in practice they wont get much money back because houses here are worth fcuck all.

the groutch · 13-12-2011 9:27pm

Teyla Emmagan · 13-12-2011 9:28pm

EGAR wrote: »

I am amazed that it is alleged that some of them own houses in Rathkeale, THAT is my take on it.

Why does that amaze you EGAR? Rathkeale is full of boarded up 'travellery' looking houses (go look at it on Google Street View). The population has a huge swell around Christmas apparently. Those people have to be all living somewhere (else). Seems reasonable to assume that a few of them might be in Dale Farm. Basildon Council obviously have some reason to think they do.

krudler · 13-12-2011 9:29pm

if only they had some sort of mobile homes to stay in instead..

Ghost Buster · 13-12-2011 9:29pm

Travellers may lose homes??
Cant they just hide them somewhere seeing as they are 'travellers'

?

Chuck Stone · 13-12-2011 9:29pm

EGAR wrote: »

I am amazed that it is alleged that some of them own houses in Rathkeale, THAT is my take on it.

Not all Travellers are poor. Some are loaded.

There's even one Traveller who owns his own nuclear powered submarine.

starbelgrade · 13-12-2011 9:30pm

If there's no-one in Dale Farm any more, who's gonna make the ice-cream?

EGAR · 13-12-2011 9:30pm

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Why does that amaze you EGAR? Rathkeale is full of boarded up 'travellery' looking houses (go look at it on Google Street View). The population has a huge swell around Christmas apparently. Those people have to be all living somewhere (else). Seems reasonable to assume that a few of them might be in Dale Farm. Basildon Council obviously have some reason to think they do.

If I may quote myself:

Because they all screamed *we have nowhere to do* for starters

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-12-2011 9:35pm

the groutch wrote: »

<insert pic of world's smallest violin here>

Stained Class · 13-12-2011 9:48pm

Chuck Stone wrote: »

There's even one Traveller who owns his own nuclear powered submarine.

Really?

That must be the ultimate Under'Ward'er Weapon.:pac:

Patrick2010 · 13-12-2011 10:21pm

Egar you said....

If I may quote myself:
Quote:
Because they all screamed *we have nowhere to do* for starters

Nowhere to go maybe?

Anyone see C4s gypsy Xmas tonight?, the amount of Hummers, stretch limos and bling coming from Rathkeale to weddings and kids communions was amazing. The Celtic tiger is alive and well in Rathkeale.

screamer · 13-12-2011 10:25pm

Great, so step up Irish Tax Payer and foot the bill to re-house the travellers who lose their homes in Limerick to pay for the Dale Farm fiasco. When is the Tax Payer here gonna catch a break......

Teyla Emmagan · 13-12-2011 10:39pm

EGAR wrote: »

Because they all screamed *we have nowhere to do* for starters?

Ok, now I'm with you

real stig · 13-12-2011 10:55pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

The Celtic tiger is alive and well in Rathkeale.

No it isn't, Rathkeale is a kip, a few temporary residents have plenty €€€ though.

stovelid · 13-12-2011 11:33pm

Not saying I disagreed with the evictions or that I don't have issues with a lot of traveler behaviour but a public representative should temper down public statements like this:

"but with this section of the community it can be difficult in proving who is who and who owns what,"

Schism · 13-12-2011 11:58pm

EGAR wrote: »

I am amazed that it is alleged that some of them own houses in Rathkeale, THAT is my take on it.

Why?

Nothing surprises me about the traveling community anymore. I don't doubt that any number of the families evicted actually owned property elsewhere.

oppenheimer1 · 14-12-2011 12:23am

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Anyone see C4s gypsy Xmas tonight?, the amount of Hummers, stretch limos and bling coming from Rathkeale to weddings and kids communions was amazing. The Celtic tiger is alive and well in Rathkeale.

I'd say it must be something to do with that image of the virgin mary they saw in that tree stump.

Stained Class · 14-12-2011 12:50am

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I'd say it must be something to do with that image of the virgin mary they saw in that tree stump.

TBH, I've always been stumped myself about their devotion to religion & the Comandments myself.

This one about the stealing issue....

Let's just say that a Traveller never broke in to anywhere & took something that didn't belong to them for a minute...

How come almost all of them claim Social Welfare, whilst obviously running some sort of 'business' or other?

Who pays for all this, the Hummers, the hideous communion dresses, the second homes, the expensive 4x4s, the endless offspring & getting back on topic, the cleanup of an area they illegaly squatted & defaced for years?

Who pays for them?

Anyone?

Eric Cartman · 14-12-2011 2:43am

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Not all Travellers are poor. Some are loaded.

There's even one Traveller who owns his own nuclear powered submarine.

the idea of pa connors incharge of anything nuclear powered is a very scary thought

Stiffler2 · 14-12-2011 4:09pm

me hole, the travs don't own them houses. they are given to them, owned by the state.

Who the f**k do the english think they are. Think they can come over here and take our property off us.

pi$$ off england

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-12-2011 4:15pm

O No the poor things we must set up a Live Aid type event to help the poor unfortunates:(

Kasabian · 14-12-2011 4:17pm

I love traveller bashing threads. They are always so full of interesting facts.

I especially love the derogatory terms.

What I really love is the spate of banings that usually follow.

Stiffler2 · 14-12-2011 4:26pm

Kasabian wrote: »

I love traveller bashing threads. They are always so full of interesting facts.

I especially love the derogatory terms.

What I really love is the spate of banings that usually follow.

What I enjoy is the closing of the thread.
The finishing up of the debate followed by the end result
"They're all just a great bunch of lads, they don't harm no ones"

Daniel S · 14-12-2011 4:30pm

EGAR wrote: »

I am amazed that some of them own houses in Rathkeale.

Well how many Navara's can one family have like?

Travellers may lose homes to pay for Dale Farm eviction

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