England Euro 2012 Group Games

DenMan · 07-12-2011 12:48pm #1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16059757.stm

Being honest I'm a bit confused too. Wouldn't it be better for England to be based in the Ukraine rather than Poland for their group games? They are the top seeds and it is a very tough group.

Amirani · 07-12-2011 12:51pm

England just don't do major tournaments well.

ctrl-alt-delete · 07-12-2011 12:51pm

They decided on the base before the draw for fear of missing out on the top choices that were available, now it has been exposed as a dump so that worked well.

It would be much better to be based in the Ukraine, but they will need an excuse and other things than players and management to blame after all, and this one will suffice.

stovelid · 07-12-2011 12:52pm

LOL I HOPE DEY GET BATE OVER DER, DE BRITS

- MUFC 'TIL I DIE

Crazy Horse 6 · 07-12-2011 12:56pm

Wtf thats just crazy. They need all the help they can get given the pathetic record they have on the international front, they'll have to move closer surely?

DenMan · 07-12-2011 12:59pm

Very surprised about it. Didn't know the nations had decided on their base before the draw was made. I had hopes for England next summer but now with France, Sweden and of course the Ukraine in that group, it's going to very tough. They will all fancy themselves against them. Hope Wilshere starts next summer. He could very well be what they are missing in midfield.

Derfil · 07-12-2011 1:06pm

Stupid ****ers. To win the tournament they'll have to travel 10,000 miles.

Sabre0001 · 07-12-2011 1:17pm

Derfil wrote: »

Stupid ****ers. To win the tournament they'll have to travel 10,000 miles.

But if they do win it, they already have a tune for a song.

Kiith · 07-12-2011 1:27pm

Sabre0001 wrote: »

But if they do win it, they already have a tune for a song.

And they'd be signing it for 50 years.

aidan24326 · 07-12-2011 2:03pm

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

They decided on the base before the draw for fear of missing out on the top choices that were available, now it has been exposed as a dump so that worked well.

I remember Krakow being featured on the Ross Kemp on gangs show and it looked a bit of a kip alright, so I don't know how they thought it would be the best base. Maybe the training facilities are good I don't know, but both Kiev and Donetsk have bigger clubs and would surely have facilities at least as good as anything in Krakow. Sweden played it clever and had options lined up in both countries.

Big Nelly · 07-12-2011 2:07pm

This was discussed on Football focus, was talking to the famous Steve Stauton and he was saying in the WC when they where playing Germany the next day they had a round trip of 5 hours or something like that, just said the players didn't want to bother doing that the day before for a training session in stadium and then do next day. Seems logical alright to stay close to the stadium so your not stuck on a bus all day.

If your training hard etc it could be more of a chance of muscle tightening etc

parker kent · 07-12-2011 2:09pm

aidan24326 wrote: »

I remember Krakow being featured on the Ross Kemp on gangs show and it looked a bit of a kip alright, so I don't know how they thought it would be the best base.

Krakow is actually a really nice city and a great place to visit. Sure it has rough areas but do you judge Manhattan on problems in the Bronx? Do you judge Dublin based on gangland murders? I wouldn't use Ross Kemp as a measure for a city.

Fr Tod Umptious · 07-12-2011 2:11pm

aidan24326 wrote: »

I remember Krakow being featured on the Ross Kemp on gangs show and it looked a bit of a kip alright, so I don't know how they thought it would be the best base. Maybe the training facilities are good I don't know, but both Kiev and Donetsk have bigger clubs and would surely have facilities at least as good as anything in Krakow. Sweden played it clever and had options lined up in both countries.

So based on so TV show that you saw you are convinced that the people in charge of selecting England's facilities got themselves a kip.

Guy:Incognito · 07-12-2011 2:25pm

Kiith wrote: »

And they'd be signing it for 50 years.

Its just a pity we never won the WC or the Euro's . We'd have had a quiet pint then confined the whole affair to the history books, never to be spoken of again.

Dotrel · 07-12-2011 2:38pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its just a pity we never won the WC or the Euro's . We'd have had a quiet pint then confined the whole affair to the history books, never to be spoken of again.

Exactly. We're very modest folk. We've already won the Iceland tournament and the Unity Cup and you never hear us crowing about that. :pac:

Nalz · 07-12-2011 3:44pm

stovelid wrote: »

LOL I HOPE DEY GET BATE OVER DER, DE BRITS

- MUFC 'TIL I DIE

lol any chance!

stovelid · 07-12-2011 3:49pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its just a pity we never won the WC or the Euro's . We'd have had a quiet pint then confined the whole affair to the history books, never to be spoken of again.

Exactly, you'd think we were small-minded enough to celebrate the anniversary of a draw against England 21 years ago or something.

Coillte_Bhoy · 07-12-2011 4:14pm

stovelid wrote: »

Exactly, you'd think we were small-minded enough to celebrate the anniversary of a draw against England 21 years ago or something.

Well actually we dont but hey you carry on being offended

Dotrel · 07-12-2011 4:18pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Well actually we dont but hey you carry on being offended

Exactly. We bang on a lot about the 1988 win and anyone (not just footy fans) could tell you Ray Houghton scored that day. By comparison I'd say you be hard pressed to find an indifferent punter who remembers that 1990 game, let alone the result and who scored for us that day.

Hammer Archer · 07-12-2011 5:09pm

I could be wrong but didn't the Ireland team book their base in Poland before the draw was made? So basically if we had been drawn in groups B or D, we would have been in the exact same situation.

SantryRed · 07-12-2011 5:49pm

I honestly don't see the problem in what they're doing

parker kent · 07-12-2011 7:23pm

stovelid wrote: »

Exactly, you'd think we were small-minded enough to celebrate the anniversary of a draw against England 21 years ago or something.

Well I don't think anybody was celebrating that result recently. Plus in fairness it was our first ever game in a World Cup tournament. So if people did mention the date over the summer, it is hardly an outlandish thing to mention as it is an important date in our soccer history.

DenMan · 08-12-2011 11:38am

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I could be wrong but didn't the Ireland team book their base in Poland before the draw was made? So basically if we had been drawn in groups B or D, we would have been in the exact same situation.

That's true. I wonder why the countries who qualified pick their bases before the draw is made. I don't understand the rush. Surely it makes more sense to pick after the draw is made. It's still six months away after all. Also if they do pick then they should be allowed to change their minds after.

Beefy78 · 08-12-2011 2:29pm

Big Nelly wrote: »

Seems logical alright to stay close to the stadium so your not stuck on a bus all day.

But England won't be stuck on a bus all day. They'll be doing a series of 90 minute first-class charter flights. That's why they made the decision.

Dotrel · 08-12-2011 2:35pm

Besides, it's only for three games anyway.

stovelid · 08-12-2011 4:01pm

Dotrel wrote: »

Exactly. We bang on a lot about the 1988 win and anyone (not just footy fans) could tell you Ray Houghton scored that day. By comparison I'd say you be hard pressed to find an indifferent punter who remembers that 1990 game, let alone the result and who scored for us that day.

Apologies, I was thiniing of 1988. There was actually a anniversary programme made about it IIRC.

The point is still valid I think. We would bang on about a major sporting victory as much as England or any other country.

The problem with us is that we avidly consume the sports media of a foreign country that we dislike but paradoxically expect them not to be nationalistic about their own sporting hopes and victories.

England will usually be amongst the favouriites and why should they deny that.

DenMan · 08-12-2011 4:27pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16064924.stm

Rooney's ban reduced to two games now. Available to play against the Ukraine.

Micko23 · 12-12-2011 5:00pm

Ireland base in Poland

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8130/20101119474.jpg

Englands base IN POLAND

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jiv2jXg4OyM/TgeOZBEqEZI/AAAAAAAAC58/LgtfJZdAH6Y/s1600/DSCF2251.JPG

Dotrel · 12-12-2011 5:22pm

Micko23 wrote: »

Englands base IN POLAND

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Jiv2jXg4OyM/TgeOZBEqEZI/AAAAAAAAC58/LgtfJZdAH6Y/s1600/DSCF2251.JPG

That's fairly grim. I guess here was was unavailable when England enquired so they had to settle for the less cheery Krakow venue.

DenMan · 12-12-2011 7:27pm

What a fantastic base we have. England's doesn't look great but that's the way it goes. I have a great feeling about us next summer. England may struggle in their group and may find it hard to get out of.

Beefy78 · 13-12-2011 10:03am

England will find it hard to get out of the group. It's a hard group.

El Weirdo · 13-12-2011 10:43am

Dotrel wrote: »

That's fairly grim. I guess here was was unavailable when England enquired so they had to settle for the less cheery Krakow venue.

Do you think the FA got a 403 - Forbidden when they went to enquire too?

ArmaniJeanss · 17-12-2011 3:22am

Sorry for dragging this up but it bothers me more than it should at 3.20am in the morning.

Whats Englands plans for the day before each match? Are they going to just ingore their entitlement to train on the pitch for 60 minutes or are they going to travel from Krakow to Donetsk/Kiev and back twice in 24 hours. Or stay in a new base in Kiev/Donetsk the night before each game?

None of these alternatives make sense, with skipping the 60 minutes on the pitch probably the worst move they could make.
Because in those 60 minutes you can learn so much about distance of goal kicks, angles of corners in relation to the breeze, skiddy spots in the 6yardbox to test goalkeepers, distance of overlap from CM to LB/RB.
Even something as simple as testing a defensive structure from a freekick needs to be done in the stadium rather than on the practice ground, as a difference of a few metres in pitch dimensions could mess everything up.

DenMan · 21-12-2011 11:11am

Not sure. I'm sure Capello will have some sort of plan in operation. The friendly with Ireland is not going ahead. It will be very interesting to see how it develops for them and I can't wait to see how they get on in their friendlies before the competition starts. Am expecting big things from the likes of Wilshere and Carroll. Think those two are going to have a great Euros.

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