Russian elections result

Is mise le key

It is being pretty widley reported that the elections in russia have been rigged to an extent, to what extent is not know to the public, so one would have to wonder how close the result may have been if it had run its course,

110 million eligible voters.
60 % turnout.
66 million voted.
19.16 % share of vote for communist party.
12, 645, 600 votes for communist party.

What the real figure is now unknown, but as it stands,

92 seats for the communist party
64 seats for Just Russia

With 156 combined for the CP & JR & 238 for united russia, thats a differenece of 82 seats, how close might they have been if the rigging hadnt occurred?

Now the last major party in this were the centrist party LDPR with 56 seats, they are opposed to communism, but as it stands it puts the opposition at 212 seats just 26 behind putins majority, could the rigging have been to the extent of swaying 26 seats or more to ensure a majority?

We would not have had a coalition anyway as it is very hard to see how the LDPR could deal with the communist party, and the vote that went to JR was most likeley a vote against UR but didnt want to vote for CP, but it shows that there is a very strong Communist/Socialist vote alive in russia today, combined votes for CP & JR,

21, 370, 800

United russia,

32, 696, 400

Jonny7

Protesters reported in Moscow with troops being deployed.

Not huge numbers though yet.

Cork boy 55

20% for the communists.
Just how communist is the communist party?
Any insiders knowledge?

Is mise le key

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

20% for the communists.
Just how communist is the communist party?
Any insiders knowledge?

Leninist-Marxist with smatterings of Stalinism also.

cavedave

State television is reporting that Kasparov took the election defeat so badly that he handcuffed his hands behind his back and hit himself with an iron bar in the face repeatedly.

Benny_Cake

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

20% for the communists.
Just how communist is the communist party?
Any insiders knowledge?

They tend to lean more towards Russian nationalism that Marxism-Leninism these days - most of their nostalgia towards the Soviet Union seems to be in relation to it's superpower status rather than it's economic system. Also, someone described the LPDR as centrist - in fact they are on the very hard right,extreme nationalists.

nuac

There was a time when you could get the Russian election results the day before the election.

oscarBravo

Interesting take from Denmark's Jyllandsposten (translation required, Google is your friend).

Is mise le key

oscarBravo wrote: »

Interesting take from Denmark's Jyllandsposten (translation required, Google is your friend).

WOW, if its true then....HOLY JESUS!!!

Thats corruption taken to its maximum.

Border-Rat

I love how the UK and the USA are critisizing the extent of Russian Democracy. The UK, a Country that murders activists. The USA, a Country controlled by a foreign entity.

At least the Russians aren't invading third-world Countries and poisoning their water tables with their nuclear waste. What outrageous hypocrisy.

Is mise le key

Border-Rat wrote: »

I love how the UK and the USA are critisizing the extent of Russian Democracy. The UK, a Country that murders activists. The USA, a Country controlled by a foreign entity.

At least the Russians aren't invading third-world Countries and poisoning their water tables with their nuclear waste. What outrageous hypocrisy.

Well i didnt give it a seconds merit when i heard the US is critisizing the way the election was run, didnt read any of the shíte spewed out from the liars in the whitehouse.

I am still wondering though how much truth there is in all of the parties sitting down to decide how to distribute votes.

Border-Rat

Is mise le key wrote: »

Well i didnt give it a seconds merit when i heard the US is critisizing the way the election was run, didnt read any of the shíte spewed out from the liars in the whitehouse.

I am still wondering though how much truth there is in all of the parties sitting down to decide how to distribute votes.

Anyone thinking that Democratic States are all above board live in a fantasy world. The nature of Democracy begs corruption. In fact, Russian corruption is better off than UK/USA. Putin, for his faults, is a Russian Patriot.

David Cameron, the 'friend of Israel' and Barrack Obama, the outright bitch of Israel, do not have their Countries interests at heart. Not at all.

I love how centre-right conservatives (Of the idiotic western variety) jeer prescribed/recommended opponents for the sake of it. Without having a clue. They think their stance is the measure of Conservatism.

The Irish could do well by aligning themselves with Russia.

Pride Fighter

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

20% for the communists.
Just how communist is the communist party?
Any insiders knowledge?

The communist party of the Soviet Union was far more progressive. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation celebrate Stalin's birthday every year and his 'achievements'. At least post Stalins communist party under Kruschev rejected his legacy as he was a bloodthirsty murderer.

Border-Rat

Border-Rat wrote: »

David Cameron, the 'friend of Israel' and Barrack Obama, the outright bitch of Israel, do not have their Countries interests at heart. Not at all.

Of course David Cameron has Britain's interests at heart. His interests are British interests. Would you rather live on the average wage in Russia or the UK? Even if you disagree with what I say - Cameron is a politician. He wants his Legacy to be one in which Britain returns "To Glory" or some other BS soundbite.

How would you feel if you were intimidated going into the voting booth over here? Would you be saying "Ah sure he's an Irish Patriot at least"? Putin is rumoured to be worth about 45billion. And you can be sure he didn't "earn" it doing things for the betterment of the lives of the average Russian.

Jonny7

Border-Rat wrote: »

I love how the UK and the USA are critisizing the extent of Russian Democracy. The UK, a Country that murders activists. The USA, a Country controlled by a foreign entity.

At least the Russians aren't invading third-world Countries and poisoning their water tables with their nuclear waste. What outrageous hypocrisy.

That didn't take long either.

RichieC

The US criticising elections in other peoples countries is a laugh... the greatest democracy in the world.. yea.

homer simpson

cavedave wrote: »

State television is reporting that Kasparov took the election defeat so badly that he handcuffed his hands behind his back and hit himself with an iron bar in the face repeatedly.

eeh? how can you both handcuff your hands behind your back and hit yourself with an iron bar repeatedly at the same time

oscarBravo

homer_simpson wrote: »

eeh? how can you both handcuff your hands behind your back and hit yourself with an iron bar repeatedly at the same time

I'm guessing it's an ironic reference to the good old days when political prisoners committed suicide by shooting themselves several times in the back of the head.

Benny_Cake

Pride Fighter wrote: »

The communist party of the Soviet Union was far more progressive. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation celebrate Stalin's birthday every year and his 'achievements'. At least post Stalins communist party under Kruschev rejected his legacy as he was a bloodthirsty murderer.

That's actually a very good point, under Gorbachev, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union seemed to be moving towards a form of "socialism with a human face", if not the centre-left. The KPRF seem like a really unpleasant bunch, the contrast between Gorbachev and Zyuganov is quite sharp!

In fact the opposition in Russia are pretty terrible, the only moderate "opposition" party that won seats was "Fair Russia" and there is a fair amount of evidence to suggest that they are essentially a creation of the Kremlin to provide a facade of political diversity and maybe steal a few votes from the Communists at the same time.

Is mise le key

Benny_Cake wrote: »

That's actually a very good point, under Gorbachev, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union seemed to be moving towards a form of "socialism with a human face", if not the centre-left. The KPRF seem like a really unpleasant bunch, the contrast between Gorbachev and Zyuganov is quite sharp!

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Most communists would not credit Gorbachev with even being centre left, 'the contrast between Gorbachev and Zyuganov is quite sharp!', that would be more accurate.

ILikeBananas

Border-Rat wrote: »

Anyone thinking that Democratic States are all above board live in a fantasy world. The nature of Democracy begs corruption. In fact, Russian corruption is better off than UK/USA. Putin, for his faults, is a Russian Patriot.

What a load of rubbish. The only thing that Putin cares about is Putin. It is remarkable that, just as in a lot of African and Asian countries, what is in the best personal interests of the leader, is also in the best interests of the country.

If he was a true patriot he wouldn't allow the pillaging of the country's assets by a handful of chosen oligarchs. Every so often he wraps himself in the flag so as to appeal to people's national pride. As his appearance at the recent martial arts event shows though this isn't going to work as easily as in the past.

Unperturbed though he's gone back to basics by blaming the recent unrest after the election on........the United States.