Unsold 2011 cars in 2012

JokerD

Let's say a 2011 car is €15,000(sticker price) now, come let's say March/April 2012 time and it still isn't sold, how much do you think you could get it for?

I know someone thinking of buying new in 2012 and if they can get an unsold '11 model,, it's just as good as a '12 imo.

Eric Cartman

afaik garages can de-register cars , if it has even been registered, so it would just materialise with a 12 plate on it and be sold new provided the model didnt change

Atlantic Dawn

If a car already has a plate on it then it's a display/demo model and I would expect a good 10% discount even if I was buying it this year as I would be owner No 2. No new cars are registered prior to sale, a car could be in the compound at the docks since June 2011 and can be sold in January 2012 as a 2012 car.

R.O.R

Eric Cartman wrote: »

afaik garages can de-register cars , if it has even been registered, so it would just materialise with a 12 plate on it and be sold new provided the model didnt change

Not very easy to this nowadays. Might be ok if its deregistered within a couple of days, but a few months? Forgetaboutit....

JokerD

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If a car already has a plate on it then it's a display/demo model and I would expect a good 10% discount even if I was buying it this year as I would be owner No 2. No new cars are registered prior to sale, a car could be in the compound at the docks since June 2011 and can be sold in January 2012 as a 2012 car.

Interesting, what if the 2012 model was very different to the 2011 model? Would a dealer really stick an '12 plate on an '11 model?


Edit: I see Eric Cartman has sort of already answered this.

sonyvision

JokerD wrote: »

Interesting, what if the 2012 model was very different to the 2011 model? Would a dealer really stick an '12 plate on an '11 model?


Edit: I see Eric Cartman has sort of already answered this.

Yup they would my car is an 06 but in 06 they had a new model out so when i need parts i need to tell them my car is a 05 model,

mickdw

JokerD wrote: »

Interesting, what if the 2012 model was very different to the 2011 model? Would a dealer really stick an '12 plate on an '11 model?


Edit: I see Eric Cartman has sort of already answered this.

If it hasnt been registered, there is no option but to stick a 12 plate on it. Its kinda naive to think that all cars are put on the road straight from the factory. There are a few nissan primeras hanging around unsold still in the country and they stopped production in 2007! These will get 11 or 12 if not registered to date.

Eric Cartman

mickdw wrote: »

If it hasnt been registered, there is no option but to stick a 12 plate on it. Its kinda naive to think that all cars are put on the road straight from the factory. There are a few nissan primeras hanging around unsold still in the country and they stopped production in 2007! These will get 11 or 12 if not registered to date.

there was an alfa in the same scenario on carzone last year if i remember correctly.

Kia Ireland did it a lot last year and heavily discounted the commercial 08 model sorentos they had sitting around.

JokerD

sonyvision wrote: »

Yup they would my car is an 06 but in 06 they had a new model out so when i need parts i need to tell them my car is a 05 model,

I find this a bit ridiculous that they can sell an older model the same price as the newer one. Did you know at the time that your '06 car was indeed an '05? and if you did know this, did you use it to your advantage in the negotiation?

Guy:Incognito

JokerD wrote: »

I find this a bit ridiculous that they can sell an older model the same price as the newer one. Did you know at the time that your '06 car was indeed an '05? and if you did know this, did you use it to your advantage in the negotiation?

Plenty of cars get a facelift in the middle of a year . New cars are often lunched in the final quarter of a year aswell so you have both models sold in the same year. Its just a bit more obvious here because of our registration system.

colm_mcm

Any car you pick up in the first days of January will have been 'sitting around' since 2011

Can't see the point here really

JokerD

mickdw wrote: »

If it hasnt been registered, there is no option but to stick a 12 plate on it. Its kinda naive to think that all cars are put on the road straight from the factory. There are a few nissan primeras hanging around unsold still in the country and they stopped production in 2007! These will get 11 or 12 if not registered to date.

If a certain car has a '11 reg now, like this e.g http://www.carzone.ie/search/Alfa-Romeo/Mito/1.4-Juni/213224705539350/advert?channel=CARS

Can this be put out as a '12 if it isn't sold by the new year?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, just trying to get a bit more knowledgeable on this stuff.

colm_mcm

Thats 2011 reg, it still will be 2001 next year

JokerD

colm_mcm wrote: »

Thats 2011 reg, it still will be 2001 next year

Alright, with the talk of de-registering cars, I thought they could now register this as a '12 model.


So you think you could get a couple of grand knocked off that price come March/April time if it's still there?

colm_mcm

It's often not that simple, they won't always sell them off at a loss, sometimes you can get decent money for last years reg, we used to get savage money for yariss that were a year old but with small miles, ðepends on how plentiful the new ones are.

mickdw

There should certainly be a good price reduction if buying an 11 plate in 2012. The garages often appear to ask silly prices for these, very close to new price in many cases but IMO you ould be foolish to pay it.

JokerD

mickdw wrote: »

There should certainly be a good price reduction if buying an 11 plate in 2012. The garages often appear to ask silly prices for these, very close to new price in many cases but IMO you ould be foolish to pay it.

When I went looking for my own car a few years ago, dealers would just look at the sticker price and say, "well we'll take a grand off that straight away". It seems to be a given, that you should get at least a grand off the sticker price nowadays.

colm_mcm

Discounts off the list price have always been there, the scrap page scheme has highlighted the benefit of no b-s pricing without discounts built in.

JokerD

colm_mcm wrote: »

Discounts off the list price have always been there, the scrap page scheme has highlighted the benefit of no b-s pricing without discounts built in.

My thinking was, at least a grand off, then as it's last years reg still not sold, maybe another grand. So €2000 discount.

colm_mcm

I'd look for more than that tbh. You'd nearly get that off a new 2012 one If you rang every dealer in the country


Bear in mind they also get a contribution from the distributor to register demos, and occasionally in some garages, the service dept is charged from sales for using the car as a courtesy car

JokerD

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'd look for more than that tbh. You'd nearly get that off a new 2012 one If you rang every dealer in the country


Bear in mind they also get a contribution from the distributor to register demos, and occasionally in some garages, the service dept is charged from sales for using the car as a courtesy car

Thanks for the info, very helpful indeed.

colm_mcm

There's always some dealer whos not particularly clued in on the idea of selling cars, you just have to find them.

Del2005

The only way to up the plate a vehicle is to import one with less the 3000km on the clock.

It's then classed as new and will get a current year plate. You will have to pay VAT here and claim it back from the country of origin if in the EU.

I bought a previously registered car in the UK, but the NCTS tell me it is new. Why?

For VRT purposes, a previously registered vehicle that is less than 3 months old or has less than 3,000 kilometres on the clock at the time of registration in the State is considered new.

unkel

JokerD wrote: »

Would a dealer really stick an '12 plate on an '11 model?

Of course they would. You can still buy brand new '11 plate Nissan Primeras (a car they stopped making in '07)

bazz26

Mk1 Skoda Octavia was still sold along side the Mk2 until about 2006 afaik. Granted it was alot cheaper but it was a taxi driver's wet dream.

Padraig Mor

Del2005 wrote: »

The only way to up the plate a vehicle is to import one with less the 3000km on the clock.

It's then classed as new and will get a current year plate. You will have to pay VAT here and claim it back from the country of origin if in the EU.

Eh......no.

sonyvision

JokerD wrote: »

I find this a bit ridiculous that they can sell an older model the same price as the newer one. Did you know at the time that your '06 car was indeed an '05? and if you did know this, did you use it to your advantage in the negotiation?

I knew this at the time and new my model was out the last 4 years but small changes have been made, mine for example have a bucket seat style driving position aswell as different alloys wheels, colour coded bumpers, sun roof few extras which were not on the 05 spec,

But if you look at it from a different view the last cars of that model will be perfect all the problems over the last 4 years say would have been tried and tested, I have mine over 2 years and never did it fail to start or have any problems,

Were i know people who bought the 06 new model have serious problems as they were just new out
And parts for the new model rather then mine are a fortune at least 75% increase in pirce7

Plus a small discount was sent my way

166man

Sure Frank Keane has a 1997 328i in green I think that was never registered. If it were to be registered in January it would carry a 2012 plate! You are able to deregister a car and re-reg it again, I have seen it done before.

R.O.R

166man wrote: »

You are able to deregister a car and re-reg it again, I have seen it done before.

When?

They've really clamped down on it recently. I had a customer cancel and order 2 days after the car was supposed to be collected, because the driver had decided to retire.

Garage agreed to take it back in to stock as it was a pretty standard A4 that would sell no problem, but they had serious trouble getting it de-registered. I had to write a letter to them stating all the facts, which they sent on to the Revenue Commission.

Running the reg through Cartell, that's still coming back to the car it was registered to, so they may not have been able to do it (or Cartell is wrong).


It's not such an issue anymore as very few dealers / manufactuer's are carrying much stock. The few that do carry stock tend to leave a big enough production gap when changing model year specifications. This gives them time to clear the old stock before selling the new models.

166man

R.O.R wrote: »

When?

They've really clamped down on it recently. I had a customer cancel and order 2 days after the car was supposed to be collected, because the driver had decided to retire.

Garage agreed to take it back in to stock as it was a pretty standard A4 that would sell no problem, but they had serious trouble getting it de-registered. I had to write a letter to them stating all the facts, which they sent on to the Revenue Commission.

Running the reg through Cartell, that's still coming back to the car it was registered to, so they may not have been able to do it (or Cartell is wrong).


It's not such an issue anymore as very few dealers / manufactuer's are carrying much stock. The few that do carry stock tend to leave a big enough production gap when changing model year specifications. This gives them time to clear the old stock before selling the new models.

http://www.corkmotorcentre.ie/viewanad.php?ad_id=648055

This car was bought by the dealer in 2010 brand new. I have been in this car before, fabulous machine by the way! It is still up for sale and was re-registered as a 2011 car. I presume they have clamped down on this now though.

R.O.R

166man wrote: »

http://www.corkmotorcentre.ie/viewanad.php?ad_id=648055

This car was bought by the dealer in 2010 brand new. I have been in this car before, fabulous machine by the way! It is still up for sale and was re-registered as a 2011 car. I presume they have clamped down on this now though.

Was that ever registered?

166man

R.O.R wrote: »

Was that ever registered?

Yep, I was a passanger in it back in summer 2010. I'm sure it has more than 62 miles on it now though.

ofcork

Therefore if someone buys that cls say next year it is actually 2 years old and the price should reflect that fact.As an aside that 2007 s500 they have is some car for 32k.

166man

ofcork wrote: »

Therefore if someone buys that cls say next year it is actually 2 years old and the price should reflect that fact.As an aside that 2007 s500 they have is some car for 32k.

The price does reflect that it is essentially a two year old car next year. The list price for that car when new was well into 6 figures..

mickdw

166man wrote: »

The price does reflect that it is essentially a two year old car next year. The list price for that car when new was well into 6 figures..

But a new CLS 250cdi is nowhere near 6 figures.
Furthermore, that car in the link is the old non facelifted version which finished up in 07/08. That must have been an 07 build. I honestly dont think its worth half the asking.

166man

mickdw wrote: »

But a new CLS 250cdi is nowhere near 6 figures.
Furthermore, that car in the link is the old non facelifted version which finished up in 07/08. That must have been an 07 build. I honestly dont think its worth half the asking.

As I said this car was bought in 2010, before the newer model came out and I think the price on the website reflects that. You can't compare a 250CDI and a 320CDI either. That model above, when new would have been listed as over €100k.

Also I never said it was worth the asking, so I agree it's overpriced, by about €20k I would imagine.

mickdw

Yes but its an older than 2010 model too. Its an 07 build or early 08 at best. In 08 they changed to square exhausts with revised bumpers, revised front grill with 2 bars, revised wing mirrors, rear lights changed slightly I think plus interior changes that included a nicer display(like a nav screen) as standard.

166man

mickdw wrote: »

Yes but its an older than 2010 model too. Its an 07 build or early 08 at best. In 08 they changed to square exhausts with revised bumpers, revised front grill with 2 bars, revised wing mirrors, rear lights changed slightly I think plus interior changes that included a nicer display(like a nav screen) as standard.

I know that it's the older model, what point are you getting at Mick?

mickdw

You dont appear to recognise that it is an 07 car. 2 models old in effect - 1 facelift & one complete model change. That is my point. It left the factory in 07 or early 08 at best. Its 4 years old

colm_mcm

Does anyone actually know what reg plate is on it, or if it's even registered now?

166man

mickdw wrote: »

You dont appear to recognise that it is an 07 car. 2 models old in effect - 1 facelift & one complete model change. That is my point. It left the factory in 07 or early 08 at best. Its 4 years old

I do recognise that it is an older model. I don't argue that but afaik he took delivery of the car in 2010 and it was registered there and then. It may well technically be 4 years old but it has no miles on it.