servicing car

radiat

a wee question

my car was serviced 18 months ago but has only done 4k miles since.

does it need a service?

Nissan doctor

Depending on the car...it likely needed a service(which is not a generic term like most people think) 6 months ago.

radiat

i should have said it's an '05 Yaris with 46k miles on the clock

Nissan doctor

Periodic service/inspections due every 15,000kms OR 1 year so.

Just because a car hasn't been used much doesn't means things haven't deteriorated.

Simtech

I was an aircraft mechanic so I'm well acquainted with the need for periodic scheduled maintenance. I do all my own car maintenance. If it were me (and it's not) I would not consider that your car needs a costly service. Just my uneducated opinion. If it passed the NCT, it's fine.

mondeo

Simtech wrote: »

If it passed the NCT, it's fine.

Not necessarily

Simtech

Simtech wrote: »

I was an aircraft mechanic so I'm well acquainted with the need for periodic scheduled maintenance. I do all my own car maintenance. If it were me (and it's not) I would not consider that your car needs a costly service. Just my uneducated opinion. If it passed the NCT, it's fine.

.... you're not one for an annual oil change I take it? Could be due pads etc shortly and would still walk an NCT It's more than likely fine but it still wouldn't refuse an oil change and the essentials looked over imo.

radiat

This is why i'm considering it:
http://www.groupon.ie/deals/dublin/af-motors/1606404?nlp=&CID=IE_CRM_1_0_0_339&a=1220

Simtech

RoverJames wrote: »

.... you're not one for an annual oil change I take it? Could be due pads etc shortly and would still walk an NCT It's more than likely fine but it still wouldn't refuse an oil change and the essentials looked over imo.

Absolutely, I agree. On the balance of probabilities, I would consider it most likely fine. It's a personal consideration and it is ultimately up to the OP.
4K on fresh oil, which we assume it got, I personally would not be worried in the slightest. If the pads wear sufficiently the OP will be aware of it very quickly as metal starts to touch metal on the edge of the disc.
Just my take on it.

Simtech

radiat wrote: »

This is why i'm considering it:
http://www.groupon.ie/deals/dublin/af-motors/1606404?nlp=&CID=IE_CRM_1_0_0_339&a=1220

You can't really go wrong with that.

mondeo

radiat wrote: »

This is why i'm considering it:
http://www.groupon.ie/deals/dublin/af-motors/1606404?nlp=&CID=IE_CRM_1_0_0_339&a=1220

Seems like a very good deal, considering groupon takes 50% commision per sale. That lad will be taking home €22 for an oil change and the other bits mentioned on the add. I'd like to know what sort of oil they will using and if the filters are oem parts etc. If all is well then thats a great deal imo.

Simtech

mondeo wrote: »

Seems like a very good deal, considering groupon takes 50% commision per sale. That lad will be taking home €22 for an oil change and the other bits mentioned on the add. I'd like to know what sort of oil they will using and if the filters are oem parts etc. If all is well then thats a great deal imo.

I think we can all imagine what sort of oil and filters will be used. Even so, can't really go wrong.

Nissan doctor

Simtech wrote: »

I was an aircraft mechanic so I'm well acquainted with the need for periodic scheduled maintenance. I do all my own car maintenance. If it were me (and it's not) I would not consider that your car needs a costly service. Just my uneducated opinion. If it passed the NCT, it's fine.

Christ:rolleyes::rolleyes:

If thats your opinion on maintenance I hope to god you weren't reponsible for signing off on anything further then an A check!:rolleyes:

Simtech

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Christ:rolleyes::rolleyes:

If thats your opinion on maintenance I hope to god you weren't reponsible for signing off on anything further then an A check!:rolleyes:

It's a car! You can pull over to the side of the road. No breakdown lanes in the airways. They are two very different situations requiring very different approaches.
That's simply my opinion when it comes to cars. I'm not trying to detract from the assumed professionalism of car mechanics or anything like that.

mondeo

Simtech wrote: »

It's a car! You can pull over to the side of the road. No breakdown lanes in the airways. They are two very different situations requiring very different approaches.
That's simply my opinion when it comes to cars. I'm not trying to detract from the assumed professionalism of car mechanics or anything like that.

There is more chance of you being killed in a car then an aircraft. Keeping that in mind I would be maintaining someones car to a high standard.

Nct is hit and miss, one should not presume their car is 100% because it has an Nct. Contary to what it may seem many cars with Nct's are sh!t Boxes.

Apprentice Mechanic

Simtech wrote: »

I think we can all imagine what sort of oil and filters will be used. Even so, can't really go wrong.

probly total utter ****e oil & filters

Nissan doctor

Simtech wrote: »

It's a car! You can pull over to the side of the road. No breakdown lanes in the airways. They are two very different situations requiring very different approaches.
That's simply my opinion when it comes to cars. I'm not trying to detract from the assumed professionalism of car mechanics or anything like that.

Its about doing things properly, you either have that attitude or you don't IMO.

Simtech

mondeo wrote: »

There is more chance of you being killed in a poorly maintained car then an aircraft. Keeping that in mind I would be maintaining someones car to a high standard.

Nct is hit and miss, one should not presume their car is 100% because it has an Nct. Contary to what it may seem many cars with Nct's are sh!t Boxes.

Yes because aircraft are held to a considerably more stringent standard, for good and obvious reason.
I'm not denying your points at all. I stated what would be my position, remembering that I can fault find on the fly. With only 4K on it since service, I hold that on balance of probability, assuming the previous servicing mechanic did his job, it's probably fine. You know it too I imagine.
It's not a high mileage high performance car after all. Be reasonable.

Nissan doctor

Simtech wrote: »

Yes because aircraft are held to a considerably more stringent standard, for good and obvious reason.
I'm not denying your points at all. I stated what would be my position, remembering that I can fault find on the fly. With only 4K on it since service, I hold that on balance of probability, assuming the previous servicing mechanic did his job, it's probably fine. You know it too I imagine.
It's not a high mileage high performance car after all. Be reasonable.

The thing is, the majority of the public(not saying its the case with the OP) haven't a clue if there is something wrong with their car and rely on the mechanic doing the service to tell them everything is fine.

Air crashes and major tech problems are the worst case scenario for aircraft, Aircraft maintenance is primarily about safety, followed by minimising down time and expense for the airline operator....i.e preventative maintenance, exactly the same principles and reasons for car maintenance.

Birdie086

My own little motor passed the NCT with flying colours just this past june and only two weeks later a light came on the dash meaning the brakepads needed changing. So obviously nct doesnt cover everything

Nissan doctor

Birdie086 wrote: »

My own little motor passed the NCT with flying colours just this past june and only two weeks later a light came on the dash meaning the brakepads needed changing. So obviously nct doesnt cover everything

The NCT just tests the operation of safety and emissions based items.

It can't tell you that your pads/disks are worn, can't tell you if you are overdue and brake fluid change, won't tell you if you have a coolant leak or poor antifreeze level and can't give you any indication of the condition of your oil/filter/plugs/airfilter amongst many other things.

Lack of servicing can, in extreme cases, effect the NCT, but having an NCT is in no way an indication of a well serviced car!

Simtech

Nissan doctor wrote: »

The thing is, the majority of the public(not saying its the case with the OP) haven't a clue if there is something wrong with their car and rely on the mechanic doing the service to tell them everything is fine.

Air crashes and major tech problems are the worst case scenario for aircraft, Aircraft maintenance is primarily about safety, followed by minimising down time and expense for the airline operator....i.e preventative maintenance, exactly the same principles and reasons for car maintenance.

Again, I agree with you. You're not telling me anything I don't know so I assume your addressing your posts to a wider audience, which is fine. Everything you say is true.

I was only giving my two cents. I stipulated that it was the OP who had to decide, not me.

Advice after all is free because it's generally worth f*** all. Everything else you must pay for. Money is hard earned as you no doubt know. Mine is made, thankfully and I would not spend any of it to service the OP's car if it were mine. That's just me.

radiat

Apprentice Mechanic wrote: »

probly total utter ****e oil & filters

do AF Motors use utter ......e oil and filters?:(

Apprentice Mechanic

radiat wrote: »

do AF Motors use utter ......e oil and filters?:(

I don't know to be honset with you radiat but with the price quoted I would be worried what oil & oil filters are being used, there would be no harm asking them for your old filters after the service, and ask them many litres was being used ,I alaways record what work I did in a small copy detailing,or show them their old parts at work

Del2005

Nissan doctor wrote: »

The NCT just tests the operation of safety and emissions based items.

It can't tell you that your pads/disks are worn, can't tell you if you are overdue and brake fluid change, won't tell you if you have a coolant leak or poor antifreeze level and can't give you any indication of the condition of your oil/filter/plugs/airfilter amongst many other things.

Lack of servicing can, in extreme cases, effect the NCT, but having an NCT is in no way an indication of a well serviced car!

As said an NCT only proves the car was able to pass it's NCT on that day. There's also the issue that if you have 2 shot shocks you can pass.

Apprentice Mechanic wrote: »

I don't know to be honset with you radiat but with the price quoted I would be worried what oil & oil filters are being used, there would be no harm asking them for your old filters after the service, and ask them many litres was being used ,I alaways record what work I did in a small copy detailing,or show them their old parts at work

Why would you want your old filters back? Apart from the environmental disposal issues they could just give you any old filter. And it's not really important what they take off, it's what they put on that counts.

Though if your only paying €44 for a service there's no harm in stopping off at a main stealers to get an OEM filter and ask for it to be fitted.

Nissan doctor

Del2005 wrote: »

As said an NCT only proves the car was able to pass it's NCT on that day. There's also the issue that if you have 2 shot shocks you can pass.



Why would you want your old filters back? Apart from the environmental disposal issues they could just give you any old filter. And it's not really important what they take off, it's what they put on that counts.

Though if your only paying €44 for a service there's no harm in stopping off at a main stealers to get an OEM filter and ask for it to be fitted.

Agreed. No honest garage doing correct spec servicing should have any problem showing you exactly what oil and parts they will be putting in your car.

pa990

Del2005 wrote: »

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Why would you want your old filters back?....

i dont think the pesron would want the used items back..only to be shown them, to prove that they were replaced

Apprentice Mechanic

pa990 wrote: »

i dont think the pesron would want the used items back..only to be shown them, to prove that they were replaced

a good lot of people goes go to the garage I work in wants there oil and parts to be shown where do they be fitted and they sometimes depending the old oil and parts back and fully detailed of the work involved