Toyota

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 7:49pm #1

How is it that Toyota with it’s recent decision to recall 2.3m vehicles in America and then suspend sales and production of eight models with potential faulty accelerator pedals (it later took similar steps around the world, involving 8m vehicles).
The sticking pedals which, along with badly fitting floor mats (the subject of another massive recall late last year), and which have been blamed for at least 19 deaths and more than 2,000 incidents of “unintended acceleration” can still have the audacity to call their cars ‘The Best built cars in the World’ ?.
How are they allowed to do this? Surly if this is not faulty advertising, it is brazen in the extreme.

MugMugs · 04-12-2011 7:52pm

All car makers have their issues. you just don't hear about it because the rags don't really care. Toyota would have gone under the radar too had they acted quicker.

colm_mcm · 04-12-2011 7:56pm

Americans are generally idiots. Most of those incidents would have been human error, Toyota are overly cautious about recalls anyway.

That best built cars in the world isn't widely used outside Ireland, think it stems from some study done by MIT in the US about manufacturing techniques.

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 7:56pm

MugMugs wrote: »

All car makers have their issues. you just don't hear about it because the rags don't really care. Toyota would have gone under the radar too had they acted quicker.

Yeah - I agree but Toyota are the only manufacturer that claims they are The best built cars in the world clearly they're not.:mad:

mathepac · 04-12-2011 8:00pm

MugMugs wrote: »

All car makers have their issues. you just don't hear about it because the rags don't really care. ...

The rags do care - about their advertising revenues. Publishing issues relationg to a major advertiser's products might not be in their nest interest come the next big product launch / marketing campaign.

johnos1984 · 04-12-2011 8:03pm

Wasn't this finally put to bed by an independent investigation which found it was actually the drivers panicking and not taking their foot of the accelerator pedal that was the cause of the accidents?

Nothing to do with floor mats etc., just stupid drivers.

Incidentally Toyota have earned the "best built cars in the world" tagline over a long period. They are currently off the boil but I suspect they will regain the crown in the not too distant future.

MugMugs · 04-12-2011 8:04pm

mathepac wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

All car makers have their issues. you just don't hear about it because the rags don't really care. ...

The rags do care - about their advertising revenues. Publishing issues relationg to a major advertiser's products might not be in their nest interest come the next big product launch / marketing campaign.

If a rag is seen as "cutting edge, honest and straight to the point journalism" then its popular and you're going to advertise in a popular paper irrespective of what they said about you

PaulKK · 04-12-2011 8:11pm

I think by "Best Built" they mean most efficiently built.

I remember working in a company that wanted to emulate their production line.. I think the average down time is 90 secs on the assembly line.

They also reduced cost completely as much as possible, like using minimum amounts of material to do a job. I remember one example being they reduced the little ropes holding the parcel shelf up to one from two etc, stuff like that.

So as with anything, depends on how you interpret it... most efficiently built, quite probably, best built as in quality of materials used and how well put together.. maybe not.

The thing is the Irish have such a horn for Toyota they could probably re badge 90s puntos as Toyotas and still sell them well.

mathepac · 04-12-2011 8:12pm

MugMugs wrote: »

If a rag is seen as "cutting edge, honest and straight to the point journalism" ...

None of what you have in quotes above meets my personal definition of a "rag" which would include "populist, self-serving, exploitive, profit-driven trash, employing scum and bottom-feeding leeches, closely matching their masters' profiles".

colm_mcm · 04-12-2011 8:13pm

That would cover any publication so

MugMugs · 04-12-2011 8:19pm

mathepac wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

If a rag is seen as "cutting edge, honest and straight to the point journalism" ...

None of what you have in quotes above meets my personal definition of a "rag" which would include "populist, self-serving, exploitive, profit-driven trash, employing scum and bottom-feeding leeches, closely matching their masters' profiles".

And yet many people consider them just that. Anyway, this is well OT

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 8:27pm

PaulKK wrote: »

........The thing is the Irish have such a horn for Toyota they could probably re badge 90s puntos as Toyotas and still sell them well.

Still it's hard to argue with so many fatalities, just google 'toyota deaths'. I doubt if there is any other car manufacturer with such a legacy. I'd like to get the thoughts on the guys in Toyota Ireland that decided to run with the ad.

johnos1984 · 04-12-2011 8:30pm

chimmy chonga wrote: »

I doubt if there is any other car manufacturer with such a legacy.

Google Ford Pinto fires

MugMugs · 04-12-2011 8:33pm

johnos1984 wrote: »

chimmy chonga wrote: »

I doubt if there is any other car manufacturer with such a legacy.

Google Ford Pinto fires

Or Renault passenger brake

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 8:36pm

MugMugs wrote: »

Or Renault passenger brake

Yeah! But Renault don't claim to be the best built cars in the world! They wouldn't dare!;)

Eric Cartman · 04-12-2011 8:39pm

chimmy chonga wrote: »

Yeah! But Renault don't claim to be the best built cars in the world! They wouldn't dare!;)

well they do stay together, the best built cars could still be true, they never said anything about designed. and it doesnt surprise me, until the ft86 was announced I thought toyota were sharing a design department with zanusi or electrolux

MugMugs · 04-12-2011 8:49pm

chimmy chonga wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

Or Renault passenger brake

Yeah! But Renault don't claim to be the best built cars in the world! They wouldn't dare!;)

There you go. Their back up of sorts.

http://www.toyota.ie/about/best-built-cars/

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 9:03pm

It not like as though a minor malfunction occurred as happens in most mechanical devices Still think it's hard to argue with people losing their lives!

johnos1984 · 04-12-2011 9:06pm

chimmy chonga wrote: »

It not like as though a minor malfunction occurred as happens in most mechanical devices Still think it's hard to argue with people losing their lives!

I have to ask but whats you REAL beef with Toyota?

You asked a fair question but have chosen to ignore all contrary replies only to continue to rubbish Toyota.

The evidence has shown beyond any reasonable doubt that THERE WAS NO DEFECT just DEFECTIVE DRIVERS.

Do you own a Toyota?

Is it reliable?

Is the service good?

Have you ever driven it into anything and tried to blame the accelerator?

-Corkie- · 04-12-2011 9:09pm

Op go way and buy a vag 2.0 TDI and then report back to us.

MugMugs · 04-12-2011 9:12pm

Do you own a Toyota?

Yup

Is it reliable?

Yup

Is the service good?

Yup

Have you ever driven it into anything and tried to blame the accelerator?

Yup, a rat on cruise control

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 9:13pm

johnos1984 wrote: »

I have to ask but whats you REAL beef with Toyota?

You asked a fair question but have chosen to ignore all contrary replies only to continue to rubbish Toyota.

The evidence has shown beyond any reasonable doubt that THERE WAS NO DEFECT just DEFECTIVE DRIVERS.

Do you own a Toyota?

Is it reliable?

Is the service good?

Have you ever driven it into anything and tried to blame the accelerator?

Jaysus! Calm down will ya?
I don't own a toyota, I don't like the look of them.
I'm not making this stuff up about Toyota related deaths it's what I read. Perhaps in future if I submit a topic for discussion I should run it by you first. Deep breaths now......

johnos1984 · 04-12-2011 9:15pm

MugMugs wrote: »

Do you own a Toyota?

Yup

Is it reliable?

Yup

Is the service good?

Yup

Have you ever driven it into anything and tried to blame the accelerator?

Yup, a rat on cruise control

johnos1984 · 04-12-2011 9:18pm

chimmy chonga wrote: »

I'm not making this stuff up about Toyota related deaths it's what I read.

There was a hit and run involving a silver car in Dublin which caused a death. Should we all be afraid of silver cars?

I'm not making that up either

Many makers have had issues with various faults causing deaths. Did you bother looking up the Ford Pinto fires I suggested earlier?

At least Toyota acted straight away after the problem was highlighted to them.

As for calming down, I'mm not excited to begin with, I'm just surprised at the shyte your posting about Toyota

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 9:25pm

johnos1984 wrote: »

...... I'm just surprised at the shyte your posting about Toyota

So I'm making it up am I ? You wouldn't happen to work for them by any chance? I still think you should chill out a bit.

MugMugs · 04-12-2011 9:29pm

chimmy chonga wrote: »

johnos1984 wrote: »

...... I'm just surprised at the shyte your posting about Toyota

So I'm making it up am I ? You wouldn't happen to work for them by any chance? I still think you should chill out a bit.

You've dismissed all counter statements.

johnos1984 · 04-12-2011 9:30pm

chimmy chonga wrote: »

So I'm making it up am I ?

No it's all available on the net but it suited certain people to build it up to into a major issue and they were proven innocent in the end

chimmy chonga wrote: »

You wouldn't happen to work for them by any chance?

No

chimmy chonga wrote: »

I still think you should chill out a bit. ;

I think you should stop making an issue where there is none

voojeq · 04-12-2011 9:32pm

johnos1984 wrote: »

Wasn't this finally put to bed by an independent investigation which found it was actually the drivers panicking and not taking their foot of the accelerator pedal that was the cause of the accidents?

Nothing to do with floor mats etc., just stupid drivers.

Incidentally Toyota have earned the "best built cars in the world" tagline over a long period. They are currently off the boil but I suspect they will regain the crown in the not too distant future.

that's quite possible actually, i haven't heard any problems from european drivers of toyotoas besides americans have always been slightly different

bazz26 · 04-12-2011 11:04pm

It's called marketing. Lots of companies make great claims in their adverts. Just because something is used in an advert doesn't mean it has to be exactly that. VW used the slogan "If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen." And we all know how true this was.

chimmy chonga · 04-12-2011 11:16pm

bazz26 wrote: »

It's called marketing. Lots of companies make great claims in their adverts. Just because something is used in an advert doesn't mean it has to be exactly that. VW used the slogan "If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen." And we all know how true this was.

Good point....

Leonard Hofstadter · 04-12-2011 11:28pm

bazz26 wrote: »

It's called marketing. Lots of companies make great claims in their adverts. Just because something is used in an advert doesn't mean it has to be exactly that. VW used the slogan "If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen." And we all know how true this was.

To be fair, when VW used that slogan, it was quite true, until about 15 years ago Volkswagens were very well made cars and could handle dogs abuse without going wrong.

They haven't used that slogan since the 80s, and it's not hard to see why.

Toyota need to get real about the "Best Built Cars in the World" thing - it's based on a study going back as far as 1990 I believe.

There are plenty of surveys which show that Toyota is *not* the best when it comes to reliability, I recall seeing a JD Power survey with them coming in was it 10th position?

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