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Stitches on faster paced efforts

  • 03-12-2011 10:53PM
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    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
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    Has anyone experienced stitches over faster paced efforts? I am talking close to LT effort. I am ruling out nutrition as its the same on race day or fast work compared to the nutrition i would have at a slower pace or on long runs.
    Is it a case of a weak core perhaps? One thing for sure its annoying the crap out of me and always seems to be in the same area.

    BTW this is not medical advice before it gets shut down more so a discussion if people experience the same at faster pace work and if so what have they done to help the problem.


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    pconn062
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    How is your breathing at that effort? If your breathing really hard and out of synch is can cause a stitch as its stretching your diaphragm.


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    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
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    pconn062 wrote: »
    How is your breathing at that effort? If your breathing really hard and out of synch is can cause a stitch as its stretching your diaphragm.

    Well breathing would be heavier when I get working at LT levels


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    ecoli
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    Out of interest how long before your sessions do you eat and what kinda thing do you eat?


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    A0
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    Jayde Fluffy Watchman wrote: »
    Has anyone experienced stitches over faster paced efforts? I am talking close to LT effort. I am ruling out nutrition as its the same on race day or fast work compared to the nutrition i would have at a slower pace or on long runs.
    Is it a case of a weak core perhaps? One thing for sure its annoying the crap out of me and always seems to be in the same area.

    BTW this is not medical advice before it gets shut down more so a discussion if people experience the same at faster pace work and if so what have they done to help the problem.

    The aetiology of stitches is poorly understood. Few things to try (nothing scientifically proven but...):
    - Strengthen-stretch your abs (as you mention it)
    - Avoid eating before the run or race (eat 3-4 hours before, not less)
    - Training itself seems to make a difference (i.e., trained vs. untrained)
    - Drink small amounts of water and practice it before a race (i.e., it can be tricky to drink while racing)
    - A strange one: hold a chestnut or small stone in your hand. Some believe stitches are caused by tension (they think that holding something will help relaxing and avoid running with closed fist)

    I've dropped a couple of times from races because of stitches... it's so frustrating, as when it stops you feel really good and good to go again, hope this helps :)


  • #6
    Murraythree
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    Suffer badly with stitches (especially fast paced runs/races) and one thing that has really helped - cutting out carbohydrate drinks.
    Good article:
    http://www.ausport.gov.au/sportscoachmag/sports_sciences/the_dreaded_stitch_revisited


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    ecoli wrote: »
    Out of interest how long before your sessions do you eat and what kinda thing do you eat?

    Normally at least 3 hours before. Morning sessions generally porridge with honey or some poached eggs and piece of fruit. For lunch sessions and evening i tend to eat after the sessions. I am pretty sure its not nutrition. It just seems to be on LT efforts so perhaps i just need to do more of that type of work and keep an eye on the breathing.


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    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
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    Murraythree wrote: »
    Suffer badly with stitches (especially fast paced runs/races) and one thing that has really helped - cutting out carbohydrate drinks.
    Good article:
    http://www.ausport.gov.au/sportscoachmag/sports_sciences/the_dreaded_stitch_revisited

    Interesting article especially the spinal reference as i was born with severe curvature of the spine (scoliosis) and had a few corrective ops when i was a nipper.
    I would never of thought the two could be linked although its strange it rarely/never happens on easier efforts.


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    A0
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    @jackyback: might be worth trying Power breathe to strengthen your respiratory muscles (diaphragm + intercostal muscles) since this happens at LT pace. Not 100% sure at all, just a suggestion...


  • #10
    Ceepo
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    Often get them myself, it was suggested to me the other day to try change my breathing pattern. I had to ask,
    Some breath with there stomach some with there chest,
    Sit down, relax and take notice of which you do, does your stomach move or your chest, op told me to think about it and maybe try change it.
    Have to say its something i never considered, and haven't raced since to try it out, so don't know if it work's. Maybe worth a try.
    I have probably tried everything else, so will give it a go

    Hope it helps


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