threat to reporter and others

expectationlost

so this mick mccaffry story

http://www.98fm.com/2011/category-news-sport/gangland/

he was threatened for reporting on a trial which involved a witness and gardai who was also under threat?

so it wasn't about any other story?

Raging_Ninja

According to the Times and the Guardian it wasn't about the trial, but more about what he got up to in bed. Fellow inmates read the story and, in the Times' words, he's been on the receiving end of 'jocular remarks' ever since.

It's hurting his self esteem and now he wants the mean journalist to be killed.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1202/1224308474598.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/01/irish-gangsters-bounty-mick-mccaffrey

The Garda and the witness have the bounty because more than likely they put him in jail.

expectationlost

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

According to the Times and the Guardian it wasn't about the trial, but more about what he got up to in bed. Fellow inmates read the story and, in the Times' words, he's been on the receiving end of 'jocular remarks' ever since.

It's hurting his self esteem and now he wants the mean journalist to be killed.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1202/1224308474598.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/01/irish-gangsters-bounty-mick-mccaffrey

The Garda and the witness have the bounty because more than likely they put him in jail.

ok so was the story true?

SHOVELLER

expectationlost wrote: »

ok so was the story true?

McCaffrey used to write for the Herald and now the Sunday World so there is your answer.

expectationlost

well i don't know, just wondering after reading various praising of his work because he was threatened whether should we really be impressed with of it.

IRE60

SHOVELLER wrote: »

McCaffrey used to write for the Herald and now the Sunday World so there is your answer.

Are you trying to suggest that because he writes for a tab - he fabricated the story.

Oh yea and in order to make it look good he left his house with his family. oh and another "yea", the Garda on the list with him, he's on 24/7 protection, oh and yet another 'yea' and the fella in prison who supposedly made the threat, he was questioned for 24 hours.....

Seems a bit much do you not think.

SHOVELLER

IRE60 wrote: »

Are you trying to suggest that because he writes for a tab - he fabricated the story.

Oh yea and in order to make it look good he left his house with his family. oh and another "yea", the Garda on the list with him, he's on 24/7 protection, oh and yet another 'yea' and the fella in prison who supposedly made the threat, he was questioned for 24 hours.....

Seems a bit much do you not think.

Hey no doubt the threat is viable but McCaffrey has history in making up and embellishing stories. Dont forget the Gardai use the media too for their own benefit.

IRE60

@SHOVELLER: Am i getting this correct - you're suggesting that either or MickMc or the Gardi are spinning this story for their own interest.

A simple yes or no will suffice if that's possible

SHOVELLER

IRE60 wrote: »

@SHOVELLER: Am i getting this correct - you're suggesting that either or MickMc or the Gardi are spinning this story for their own interest.

A simple yes or no will suffice if that's possible

Yes.

Michael O Toole

@Shoveller

You could not be more wrong. The threat was, and is, real. Having been the recipient of the odd threat myself, let me assure you that it is a terrifying experience, something that no rational person would want to go through.

All Mick did was tell the truth.

headmaster

Michael O Toole wrote: »

@Shoveller

You could not be more wrong. The threat was, and is, real. Having been the recipient of the odd threat myself, let me assure you that it is a terrifying experience, something that no rational person would want to go through.

All Mick did was tell the truth.

Michael,
Prove it, prove without any doubt whatsoever that he was telling the truth. If, for any reason you cannot show us the truth, then politely shut up.

Michael O Toole

headmaster wrote: »

Michael O Toole wrote: »

@Shoveller

You could not be more wrong. The threat was, and is, real. Having been the recipient of the odd threat myself, let me assure you that it is a terrifying experience, something that no rational person would want to go through.

All Mick did was tell the truth.

Michael,
Prove it, prove without any doubt whatsoever that he was telling the truth. If, for any reason you cannot show us the truth, then politely shut up.

Hi Headmaster, I don't think I have to prove anything to you, thanks. So, politely, go **** yourself.

(But the fact that six people were arrested last week is a bit of a hint, unless, of course, you subscribe to some crackpot conspiracy theory.)

Cheers

Mick.

Michael O Toole

expectationlost wrote: »

so this mick mccaffry story

http://www.98fm.com/2011/category-news-sport/gangland/

he was threatened for reporting on a trial which involved a witness and gardai who was also under threat?

so it wasn't about any other story?

No, that's wrong. He was not threatened over reporting a trial. He was threatened over reporting the arrest of a man.

headmaster

Michael O Toole wrote: »

Hi Headmaster, I don't think I have to prove anything to you, thanks. So, politely, go **** yourself.

(But the fact that six people were arrested last week is a bit of a hint, unless, of course, you subscribe to some crackpot conspiracy theory.)

Cheers

Mick.

At least it proves my argument that you have no proof whatever. Now go and do unto you, what you would have liked me do unto myself. In future, when you are asked to do something, do it and less of the lingo. Caput?

Michael O Toole

headmaster wrote: »

At least it proves my argument that you have no proof whatever. Now go and do unto you, what you would have liked me do unto myself. In future, when you are asked to do something, do it and less of the lingo. Caput?

Hi Headmaster.

You're losing the run of yourself a bit there, sunshine. You're a typical keyboard warrior, I suspect. Anyway, the Irish Times piece printed earlier has a very good explanation of the whole thing. But, I'll repeat, I don't have to prove anything to you.

Oh, by the way, the only caput I am aware of in the English language is another word for head. I don't think you meant to say that.

Cheers

Mick

expectationlost

i wasn't asking whether the threat was real but about the quality of the journalism that led to the threat

Michael O Toole

expectationlost wrote: »

i wasn't asking whether the threat was real but about the quality of the journalism that led to the threat

Grand, but I don't really see the relevance of that. If someone wants to kill a reporter it's because they have written, or want to write, something that person doesn't like. Whether it's considered quality - itself an entirely subjective word - or not is not really relevant.

jmcc

Guess the streams have crossed - those who think that they know about journalism and those who do.

Regards...jmcc

expectationlost

so was the story credible?

Michael O Toole

expectationlost wrote: »

so was the story credible?

What, Mick's story? Yes, it was factual. He wrote about a guy who was arrested in Phoenix Park. He made reference to what the guy waa wearing at the time and the suspect took exception to that.

If you mean was the threat credible, that was too.

SHOVELLER

Michael O Toole wrote: »

@Shoveller

You could not be more wrong. The threat was, and is, real. Having been the recipient of the odd threat myself, let me assure you that it is a terrifying experience, something that no rational person would want to go through.

All Mick did was tell the truth.

You didnt read my earlier post. I do believe the threat was real but has been exaggerated to suit all parties.

Your subsequent posts do say a lot about your character however.

Michael O Toole

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Michael O Toole wrote: »

@Shoveller

You could not be more wrong. The threat was, and is, real. Having been the recipient of the odd threat myself, let me assure you that it is a terrifying experience, something that no rational person would want to go through.

All Mick did was tell the truth.

You didnt read my earlier post. I do believe the threat was real but has been exaggerated to suit all parties.

Your subsequent posts do say a lot about your character however.

Oh? Why would it suit Mick to have to tell his partner that someone wants to kill him? And how is it possible to exaggerate a death plot? I'm stumped by that.
And what's your expertise for deciding when a threat is exaggerated or not?

headmaster

M O Toole,
everything you say and not an ounce of proof to back it up. All you can do is quote what some journalist says. We all know how much truth they tell us. No, you don't have to prove anything to me, or anyone else, just keep printing lies, unless of course you can back it up and not with some so called reporters comments, because that's all they are. Wouldn't it be lovely if you were to go into a court of law with the "evidence" you have, what a bloody laugh "sunshine" .

jmcc

Michael O Toole wrote: »

Oh? Why would it suit Mick to have to tell his partner that someone wants to kill him? And how is it possible to exaggerate a death plot? I'm stumped by that.
And what's your expertise for deciding when a threat is exaggerated or not?

Welcome to boards.ie - full of people who think that they are experts about everything under the sun.

@headmaster I know you want to appear smart but the expression is "capiche?" Perhaps your knowledge of crime reporting is derived from watching reruns of the Godfather.

Regards...jmcc

expectationlost

jmcc wrote: »

Welcome to boards.ie - full of people who think that they are experts about everything under the sun.

@headmaster I know you want to appear smart but the expression is "capiche?" Perhaps your knowledge of crime reporting is derived from watching reruns of the Godfather.

Regards...jmcc

it be nice if you had anything useful to contribute to the discussion

jmcc

expectationlost wrote: »

it be nice if you had anything useful to contribute to the discussion

Well it is easy for people who know very little about journalism, and crime reporting in particular, to question the quality of journalism. With crime reporting, some of it is sensationalised but there is a higher requirement for factual reporting because of the nature of what is being reported. Newspapers have different crime coverage and it is dependent on their audience. If you are used to reading the Irish Times et al then the coverage in the Tabloids will seem alien as it is often sharper and more precise.

Regards...jmcc

Dodge

Michael O Toole wrote: »

And how is it possible to exaggerate a death plot?

By calling it a 'death plot' for a start

Michael O Toole

Dodge wrote: »

Michael O Toole wrote: »

And how is it possible to exaggerate a death plot?

By calling it a 'death plot' for a start

Sure that's what it is; he wants to kill him. He offered a criminal on the outside €20,000. Several other people, including his mother, were involved.

That looks like a plot to me.

IRE60

@headmaster -
You're starting from the basis that MMc is not telling the truth and bellowing that all journalists tell lies!
You're screaming "habeas corpus" here , mainly directed at MoT.
And proof of what - that there was a plot to kill him -
Here, here's one for you - prove there wasn't.
The demands you put on posters here are equally applicable to you - prove there wasn't a plot - or shut it.
I am always highly suspicious of those who have a passionate dislike of the fourth estate (sometimes, well founded it has to be said) and defend criminals - blindly.

C

headmaster

ire60,
got a laugh out of your last comments. I think you might be better off reading the Dandy and analysing the characters in that particular publication.:) I'm still laughing at yourself and O'Toole, what a bunch of losers :):):):)

IRE60

AKA I haven't a fculing shred of evidence - but I'll still mouth off, coz I can -

Sham - your're full of sh1t.

SHOVELLER

Michael O Toole wrote: »

Oh? Why would it suit Mick to have to tell his partner that someone wants to kill him? And how is it possible to exaggerate a death plot? I'm stumped by that.
And what's your expertise for deciding when a threat is exaggerated or not?

You obviously cannot read between the lines. Say for example Mick McCaffrey heard someone wasnt happy with what he wrote and he heard from someone indirectly or directly that he was "going to get it" or words to that effect.

Is that a death threat? That can mean different things to different people.

We have no way to prove he did or did not get a message but I do believe he did as he would be in a fair bit of trouble with the authorities for wasting police time.

Anyway he contacts the Gardai and says its a death threat. They in turn have to provide protection which means extra resources. In the next edition of the laughable rubbish sunday rag he writes for circulation goes up as more and more stupid people buy it.

Hope you're still not stumped! You see McCaffrey has previous and the fact that he is still in the NUJ is a damning indictment considering the majority of his colleagues tend not to make up stories.

And this is not McCaffrey's first dealing with the Gardai either.

Michael O Toole

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Michael O Toole wrote: »

Oh? Why would it suit Mick to have to tell his partner that someone wants to kill him? And how is it possible to exaggerate a death plot? I'm stumped by that.
And what's your expertise for deciding when a threat is exaggerated or not?

You obviously cannot read between the lines. Say for example Mick McCaffrey heard someone wasnt happy with what he wrote and he heard from someone indirectly or directly that he was "going to get it" or words to that effect.

Is that a death threat? That can mean different things to different people.

We have no way to prove he did or did not get a message but I do believe he did as he would be in a fair bit of trouble with the authorities for wasting police time.

Anyway he contacts the Gardai and says its a death threat. They in turn have to provide protection which means extra resources. In the next edition of the laughable rubbish sunday rag he writes for circulation goes up as more and more stupid people buy it.

Hope you're still not stumped! You see McCaffrey has previous and the fact that he is still in the NUJ is a damning indictment considering the majority of his colleagues tend not to make up stories.

And this is not McCaffrey's first dealing with the Gardai either.

Actually Shoveller, the gardai went to him to tell him about it. I obviously don't need to read between the lines.
And the gardai learned of the whole thing around September, yet it only leaked out last week.
There's nothing, really, nothing to back up your conspiracy theory.
Now, there's another gaping hole in what you wrote.
You wrote: "Anyway he contacts the Gardai and says its a death threat. They in turn have to provide protection which means extra resources."

That's not how the system works at all. On several occasions I have had to speak to gardai about my safety after threats and intimidation. On each occasion, they have done the same thing: they meet you, increase patrols around your house and office and offer security advice (things like varying your route, etc). But they have never offered protection. It's very rare for that to happen. I know of only two journalists to have been offered such protection. And the line about resources is wrong, too. There are no resources. Protecting him will have to come out of the budget/resources of the station that is investigating the threat - Kevin Street in this case. It's not a question of extra money or gardai being given to the district to cover the investigation. The force is skint.

SHOVELLER

Michael O Toole wrote: »

Actually Shoveller, the gardai went to him to tell him about it. I obviously don't need to read between the lines.
And the gardai learned of the whole thing around September, yet it only leaked out last week.
There's nothing, really, nothing to back up your conspiracy theory.
Now, there's another gaping hole in what you wrote.
You wrote: "Anyway he contacts the Gardai and says its a death threat. They in turn have to provide protection which means extra resources."

That's not how the system works at all. On several occasions I have had to speak to gardai about my safety after threats and intimidation. On each occasion, they have done the same thing: they meet you, increase patrols around your house and office and offer security advice (things like varying your route, etc). But they have never offered protection. It's very rare for that to happen. I know of only two journalists to have been offered such protection. And the line about resources is wrong, too. There are no resources. Protecting him will have to come out of the budget/resources of the station that is investigating the threat - Kevin Street in this case. It's not a question of extra money or gardai being given to the district to cover the investigation. The force is skint.

Where is the conspiracy theory? Conspiracies are for weak minded individuals. You would want to be simple not to believe he is going to milk this.

Protection can mean many things.

Take care now Mick your journalistic value to your country is invaluable!

flogen

This thread has gone fairly off the rails.

Everyone, please refrain from personal abuse. People are entitled to have any opinion they want on this case but that doesn't mean they're right; it also doesn't mean someone is wrong unless they can absolutely verify what they are saying.

This needs to take a more civil turn or else I'll just lock it and be done with it.

expectationlost

strange turn of events

Plot to kill reporter and garda revealed
But key state witness in Marioara trial now has full immunity
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/plot-to-kill-reporter-and-garda-revealed-30479401.html#sthash.Xxd7I7IQ.dpuf http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/plot-to-kill-reporter-and-garda-revealed-30479401.html

Mobile phone records not given to Alan Wilson jury
Sources said the phone evidence was not presented because of concerns raised by a recent European Court of Justice ruling which posed questions over convictions secured on mobile phone evidence.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mobile-phone-records-not-given-to-alan-wilson-jury-30479404.html


so they made a deal to use the bugged threat to get the murderer of Marioara Rostas but the jury didn't believe him about that it seems

What The Jury Didn't Hear, What The Jury Didnt See http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/what-the-jury-didnt-hear-what-the-jury-didnt-see-30479504.html#sthash.nScerV4v.dpuf concerns re European Courts of Justice ruling about mobile data prevented its use?