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Subjects for 5th year!

  • 02-12-2011 7:57pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭


    Hey guys, made this thread to see what your opinions are on what subjects you want to take for Leaving Cert!:p

    I think I'm doing;

    English [H]
    Irish [H]
    Maths [H/O]
    Biology [H]
    Chemistry [H]
    German [H]
    and History/Accounting/Business/Geography [H]


    Still unsure of my final slot ! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭Slow Show


    Those are pretty sound subjects to pick, there are very few courses you're not able to matriculate for at third level with those subjects. I do Biology and Chemistry myself and love them. Just going to say that if you enjoy and/or have a particular affinity for accounts at JC Business Studies level, Accounting is a lovely, enjoyable subject. :)

    If you love History it's meant to be interesting too, I know I agonised over it and Accounting for absolutely ages back in the day (*sheds tear*), and apart from a rather picky marking scheme I've heard Business is grand too. Totally helping you out here. :p It's a bit early in the year yet and there aren't many present JCers about so I thought I'd offer some not-so-helpful advice. Any queries about Biology/Chemistry/Accounting, feel free to ask. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Thanks for the reply :D

    Yeah the reason I posted this is because our school's making us pick our subjects before Christmas :/

    Yeah I do find JC accounting easy but I also have a great interest in history even though the course is so vast. Business was always a choice I kept in mind, because if all else failed I could always do a business course as well as it being helpful for life in the long term.

    I do have one question about Chemistry. A lot of people say Chemistry is hard, and the only reason they picked it was because they wanted to do medicine. What I want to know is it really as hard as people make it out to be? Thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Yeah I suppose but it would be good to have a good ground in business before going to study it to a higher extent.

    Chemistry is my favourite part of JC science, probably my favourite subject overall. I'm pretty confident in what I want to do when I leave school; (I know that's still aaages away, but I think too much :P) which is post primary teaching. Again I would like to teach Chemistry and something else. We have meetings with our career guidance counsellor 1 on 1 on a regular basis and he has told me to stick with my passion for science and pick a second science subject to teach. Anyway I've got a little sidetracked there :P

    Thanks a million for your help, really appreciated :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    History > Everything else, just FYI.
    Need an interest though tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Yeah I would say I have a good interest in history.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    Layzerman wrote: »
    Yeah I would say I have a good interest in history.

    Then I'd say take it! Might be good practice to read some wikipedia articles about things on the history curriculum (like the decolonistaion of Africa), to see if you are actually interested. Good bit of writing for the tests though :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Mmmm yeah I've still got a few weeks to decide so I'll think about it :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Indiego


    Im doing Spanish, Biology, Physics and Geography next year, and chemistry and applied maths outside of school 'cos my schools ghey and doesn't offer them :o

    Depending on how I get on with them I may or may not actually take the exams in them, but I want to do them because in the case of chemistry I will more than probably need it in college because I want to do something Science related (haven't quite worked it out yet exactly) and in the case of applied maths I did a little bit of it last year with my maths teacher near the end of the year and I quite liked it and I love maths and physics so might as well give it a go :p

    So really what I'm saying is if you really want to do a certain subject but decide to pick another one over it don't discount it completely because you could still learn it independently, given you do have a strong interest in it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭bluejay14


    I'd say with all of your final slot options you should really love whichever one you pick.

    I do two of them myself (current 5th year): Accounting and Geography.

    Accounting is more about just practicing the questions again and again and a lot of the different types of accounts have similar layouts/formats so in that respect it's not that difficult. Once you get used to where everything goes, it's just the same items that keep coming up again and again but just woth different figures. But then again maybe that's only me........because me + accounting = :):):)

    I had a serious love for JC Geography but with what we've done so far I actually think it's kind of boring. But I'd say that because we've only been doing the physical geography so far like rocks and volcanoes and stuff and according to our teacher this is the worst part of the course because it's so monotonous and there's nothing you can do about it but just learn the stuff off because it's the most information-loaded section of the course.

    I don't personally do history so there's not really alot that I can say about it. I do know though that it's a lot of learning and writing although the research project yoke is handy in that you can do it on practically anythiny that interests you. A lot of the course is based onIrish history and that kind of suff though which I thought was the most boring part of JC history.

    The same goes for business that I don't actually do it. But one of my friends does and from hat I've heard it's a nice enough subject but like practically everything else there's a bit of learning to it. According to her there are a lot of similar questions asked practically every year but they're just phrased differently everytime. So that seems fair enough but the thing that I'd find confusing is having to learn off all the names and dates of all those acts and laws and what they mean and right and blah blah blah......

    That was probably of no help whatsoever because it's only my opinion and I could be a very different person to you. But I'd say that in the end it should all come down to what you ove the most and can see yourself doing for the rest of your life and actually being good at. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Indiego wrote: »
    Im doing Spanish, Biology, Physics and Geography next year, and chemistry and applied maths outside of school 'cos my schools ghey and doesn't offer them :o

    Depending on how I get on with them I may or may not actually take the exams in them, but I want to do them because in the case of chemistry I will more than probably need it in college because I want to do something Science related (haven't quite worked it out yet exactly) and in the case of applied maths I did a little bit of it last year with my maths teacher near the end of the year and I quite liked it and I love maths and physics so might as well give it a go :p

    So really what I'm saying is if you really want to do a certain subject but decide to pick another one over it don't discount it completely because you could still learn it independently, given you do have a strong interest in it :)
    My school offers almost everything luckily enough :P

    Same with me. I think I'm going to do something science-y in college so basically I'm just looking for a filler subject for my final slot. Maybe even another science subject, who knows? :P What's applied maths like?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    I'd say with all of your final slot options you should really love whichever one you pick.

    I do two of them myself (current 5th year): Accounting and Geography.

    Accounting is more about just practicing the questions again and again and a lot of the different types of accounts have similar layouts/formats so in that respect it's not that difficult. Once you get used to where everything goes, it's just the same items that keep coming up again and again but just woth different figures. But then again maybe that's only me........because me + accounting = :):):)

    I had a serious love for JC Geography but with what we've done so far I actually think it's kind of boring. But I'd say that because we've only been doing the physical geography so far like rocks and volcanoes and stuff and according to our teacher this is the worst part of the course because it's so monotonous and there's nothing you can do about it but just learn the stuff off because it's the most information-loaded section of the course.

    I don't personally do history so there's not really alot that I can say about it. I do know though that it's a lot of learning and writing although the research project yoke is handy in that you can do it on practically anythiny that interests you. A lot of the course is based onIrish history and that kind of suff though which I thought was the most boring part of JC history.

    The same goes for business that I don't actually do it. But one of my friends does and from hat I've heard it's a nice enough subject but like practically everything else there's a bit of learning to it. According to her there are a lot of similar questions asked practically every year but they're just phrased differently everytime. So that seems fair enough but the thing that I'd find confusing is having to learn off all the names and dates of all those acts and laws and what they mean and right and blah blah blah......

    That was probably of no help whatsoever because it's only my opinion and I could be a very different person to you. But I'd say that in the end it should all come down to what you ove the most and can see yourself doing for the rest of your life and actually being good at. :)
    I think I'm really just looking for a filler subject for my final slot, but it obviously has to be something I enjoy.

    Accounting seems like the most probable at the moment as the two accounting teachers in my school are great. Also because the class sizes wouldn't be too big which is what I like. It's also handy to have if I ever want to go down that route if my science dreams fail :P

    Geography for me is kinda meh. I mean my test scores are good, but I just don't really like it. Judging from what everyone says it's a handy subject to do, but my problem is the amount of people that would be doing it. One of my friends in fifth year says he wishes he never picked it as he got stuck with a lot of "less capable" people. And lets face it, there's not many jobs you can get out of geography :P

    At the moment I usually dread going into business because it's so boringgggg. My motives for picking it are the same as geography in the sense that everyone says it's good for points and if I ever want to do a business degree it's handy to have. Other than that I don't really want to do it for any particular reason.

    History is one of my favourite subjects and I have never got less than an A since first year :| ....

    Thanks for the reply :) I think I've narrowed my choices down a good bit now :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Anyone reading this doing Physics or Ag Science could you tell me what they're like? Would it be worth my while doing 3 sciences? :|


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Indiego


    Layzerman wrote: »
    Anyone reading this doing Physics or Ag Science could you tell me what they're like? Would it be worth my while doing 3 sciences? :|

    I would say that if you are definately thinking of doing science in college, for sure, then a 3rd science would be good, because you wont be limiting your course options in 6th year, thats why Im doing chemistry :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 374 ✭✭TehFionnster


    Layzerman wrote: »
    My school offers almost everything luckily enough :P

    Same with me. I think I'm going to do something science-y in college so basically I'm just looking for a filler subject for my final slot. Maybe even another science subject, who knows? :P What's applied maths like?

    Applied Maths is excellent and really interesting if you like maths and are fairly proficient at it. You'd need to be a good problem solver too I'd say. Also, if you're doing pass maths, Applied Maths isn't recommended :P
    Have a look at the papers on examinations.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    Layzerman wrote: »
    Anyone reading this doing Physics or Ag Science could you tell me what they're like? Would it be worth my while doing 3 sciences? :|

    I find the whole optics bit of physics quite boring and off putting, but I like other parts of it. Maybe you'll have a better attention span then moi :p


    OP, accounting is supposedly a lovely exam, but I have friends who are smart but kinda dread it :p I hated accounting tbh, but its what suits you at the end of the day :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    So much to choose from o_O possibilities of me doing an 8th subject are unlikely because me = lazy. :P

    Thanks for all the replies it's definitely helping (:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Indiego wrote: »
    I would say that if you are definately thinking of doing science in college, for sure, then a 3rd science would be good, because you wont be limiting your course options in 6th year, thats why Im doing chemistry :pac:
    Yeah fairly sure, but I'd like to keep my options open :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Applied Maths is excellent and really interesting if you like maths and are fairly proficient at it. You'd need to be a good problem solver too I'd say. Also, if you're doing pass maths, Applied Maths isn't recommended :P
    Have a look at the papers on examinations.ie
    Mmm just looked at the papers.. think I'll stick to my normal maths :P Quite a bit of physics in their and I don't have much interest in physics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    I find the whole optics bit of physics quite boring and off putting, but I like other parts of it. Maybe you'll have a better attention span then moi :p


    OP, accounting is supposedly a lovely exam, but I have friends who are smart but kinda dread it :p I hated accounting tbh, but its what suits you at the end of the day :)
    Physics as a whole is boring to me :P. There isn't much I find interesting, except for the electricity chapters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Indiego


    Slow Show wrote: »
    Doing two sciences doesn't rule you out of anyscience course, so your options won't be limited by not doing all three.

    Yeah I know that, though I wouldn't like the idea of having to learn all the new things in college and have to learn the lc course at the same time, just seems like a disadvantage to me, I have a friend whos in first year in college and shes struggling to keep up with the chemistry because she didn't do it. Just my opinion, I know that you dont have to do all 3 :L


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    Only 2 weeks left.. DON DON DON.

    Ah I'll probably end up flipping a coin at this stage :P No point agonising much more if I'm only looking for points I think I should play it safe. I've no idea how good/bad LC Accounting will be, so it's a bit risky. I've heard people say "Accounting, why do you ruin my life" coming out of the accounting room :L


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 374 ✭✭TehFionnster


    Layzerman wrote: »
    Only 2 weeks left.. DON DON DON.

    Ah I'll probably end up flipping a coin at this stage :P No point agonising much more if I'm only looking for points I think I should play it safe. I've no idea how good/bad LC Accounting will be, so it's a bit risky. I've heard people say "Accounting, why do you ruin my life" coming out of the accounting room :L

    If you can't decide, do Applied Maths. The course is short, but quite challenging. I'd give it a go. The exam is great, it's essentially the same 10 questions every year. Answer 6 of them. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭The House Of Wolves


    Our school has those slots as well, but we don't know what they'll be yet.
    If I could have my 7 dream subjects, it would be
    English, Irish and maths, of course, history, economics, biology and French. Perhpas not the easiest but I don't enjoy chemistry, I hate hate hate Geography with a passion, and accounting and me... Let's just say we don't get along. Plus, I'm great at French, not to toot my own horn' or whatever, but my mother is fluent so that's a huge help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    Do applied maths, you wont regret it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭Mr. Rager


    From what I know personally/know from friends, internet etc:

    Business: generally considered boring unless you have a passion for it, large course, good to have for general real-life situations, good for those who don't mind rote-learning.

    Economics: short course, again good for adult life, pretty manageable workload, again rote-learning for the most part.

    Accounting: questions are very similar every year, good choice for logic-thinking people, usually clicks with people after a certain time, can be boring (I know from personal experience), good for points and a high A rate.

    Biology: solid choice if you're not sure (everyone should really pick a science subject for matriculation purposes), again another good one for rote-learners, one of the more interesting subjects, large course.

    Chemistry: not trying to scare anyone, but this is generally seen as the hardest subject, most would only recommend it if you have a passion for it or need it for a certain 3rd level course, eg. Dentistry in Trinity. A lot of understanding need it, most people I know who do it find it very interesting while difficult.

    Physics: good choice for logical thinkers and mathsy people. Again understanding is the main factor in achieving a high grade. Considered rather interesting, and good for those pursuing a course in Computer Science, etc.

    Applied Maths: Most mates of mine find it difficult at the start, but they have now eased into it. Helps with physics. Good choice for the maths minded.

    History: good choice if you have a passion for it, but it is a big course with a large workload. Expect a lot of essay writing. Good for rote-learners and those who like writing English. Project worth 25%.

    Geography: good for points, hard to achieve a A1 in, not difficult to get a B. Project counts for 25%. Good for essay writers. Not as easy as perceived by JCers. Parts of the course (imo economic geography) are very interesting, while others (physical)..not so much :o

    Ag Science: Ties in with biology, you don't have to be a farmer to do it, rote-learning involved, project where you visit a farm = 25% of the marks.

    Some courses interlink with each other in ways:
    Biology - Geography - Ag Science
    Physics - Chemistry
    Physics - Applied Maths
    Business - Economics

    As I've said before, I recommend everyone to pick at least one subject. If you honestly have no clue what you wanna do, this is a pretty solid choice (for matriculation purposes too):
    Business/Economics
    Geography
    Biology

    Hope this helped.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 93 ✭✭smurphy11


    decisions wrote: »
    Do applied maths, you wont regret it.

    hey what is applied maths like,? is it as hard as everyone seems,? can you do it without a teacher? or only having a few classes of the subject a week?. is it harder than maths or physics? and is it useful if you are doing maths and physics? also where do you do it eg in school, outside school, on your own.

    also will an A in jc higher lvl maths cover me for atleast a B in lc?

    im seriously thinking about doing it but if im doing maths and physics along with will it be too much of a workload?

    thanks man if you could reply it would be a great help


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    smurphy11 wrote: »
    hey what is applied maths like,? is it as hard as everyone seems,? can you do it without a teacher? or only having a few classes of the subject a week?. is it harder than maths or physics? and is it useful if you are doing maths and physics? also where do you do it eg in school, outside school, on your own.

    also will an A in jc higher lvl maths cover me for atleast a B in lc?

    im seriously thinking about doing it but if im doing maths and physics along with will it be too much of a workload?

    thanks man if you could reply it would be a great help
    1. Applied Maths is pure awesomeness
    2. It is hard at times and requires a lot of hard work. But once you got a question you feel awsome and you revel in the chalenge. But there are times when you are like WTF am I doing, why did I choose this stupid subject.
    3. Yes. But I don't, I do know people who are doing it without a teacher.
    4. If it can be done without a teacher than only a couple of classes a week is a bonus.
    5. Yes. LC Maths is hard, but you don't nessisarly need to always understand what you are doing and why. With Ap. Maths you need to understand everything!
    6. In my school you can't do it without HL Maths and you defiantly need it. I find doing Physics is useful, but there are a few in my class who don't do it and they don't really have any disadvantage.
    7. I do it in school and a have 4 classes a week incl. a double
    8. If you are talking about Maths here then NO. LC Maths is on another level completely, it requires a tonne of work. If you are willing to put the work in then you should do well but you won't be covered for at least a B.
    9. Okay the workload is big, there is no two ways about it. But it is manageable its just a case of keeping on top of things, doing your homework and putting some study in.

    Applied Maths is a hard subject but personally I would do it over Physics if the option was there. Physics in insanely boring in comparison.

    Hope that helps, if you have any more Q's feel free to ask.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    I'm 90% sure, and I'm only in 3rd year :P What happens exactley in TY?

    My subjects will be

    Maths [O]
    Irish [H]
    English [H]
    Geography [H]
    French [H]
    Biology [O]
    Music [H]

    I will not be doing an 8th subject. I wish I didn't have to do Biology as I hate all science but I'm sure it's mandatory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    Biology is surely not mandatory in your school???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Layzerman


    I'm 90% sure, and I'm only in 3rd year :P What happens exactley in TY?

    My subjects will be

    Maths [O]
    Irish [H]
    English [H]
    Geography [H]
    French [H]
    Biology [O]
    Music [H]

    I will not be doing an 8th subject. I wish I didn't have to do Biology as I hate all science but I'm sure it's mandatory.


    Why start Biology at OL? Give it a go at HL and see how it goes. It's only 5th year after all. Biology shouldn't be mandatory...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    What happens exactley in TY?

    Your brain turns to mush...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Indiego


    decisions wrote: »
    Your brain turns to mush...

    (Unless you consciously try to prevent that from happening)
    :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 621 ✭✭✭if832uspx4eogt


    Biology is surely not mandatory in your school???

    No, but I'm obliged to do it.
    And out of the 3 science subjects, it's my best (even if I'm still bad.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    No, but I'm obliged to do it.
    And out of the 3 science subjects, it's my best (even if I'm still bad.)

    Obliged to by your parents?
    Its not necessary to take *any* science subjects


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Depending on school staffing and how the cutbacks of staff have affected them, it is quite possible a school might have made Biology a mandatory subject for their students. Of course from an SEC standpoint, there are no mandatory subjects, but in real life, there could well be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭CookieMonster.x


    Layzerman wrote: »
    Hey guys, made this thread to see what your opinions are on what subjects you want to take for Leaving Cert!:p

    I think I'm doing;

    English [H]
    Irish [H]
    Maths [H/O]
    Biology [H]
    Chemistry [H]
    German [H]
    and History/Accounting/Business/Geography [H]


    Still unsure of my final slot ! :D
    I haven't read the full thread so sorry if I repeat or ask questions that have been asked.
    Firstly, what do you want to do in college? If you know for sure, check the requirements for the course. If you don't, keep your options open.
    I do chemistry, biology and accounting. IMO, none are of great difficulty. Chemistry is fine once you know your definitions and go over the work. A lot of people find it difficult and drop out of it. I wouldn't advise you to do it unless you need it or have a great interest in it.
    Biology: you jut need to learn. It's interesting.
    Accounting: I deliberated over business and accounting for ages. I finally chose accounting. I chose it because I loved the final accounts in business for the junior, I love maths and love working with figures. I asked teachers about it and they said it's just variations of the final accounts. I like it now. I admit that sometimes it can be difficult but that's only ever the first time I do it. Practicing questions is the key to doin well.
    Business on the other hand is all about learning. Course is big but it's easy.
    History: if you really like it it's fine but I've heard there is a huge amount of essay writing.
    Geography: meant to be easy and you do a project that's worth 20ish%.

    If you need any advice just ask.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Ally7


    I've come to share my 6th year knowledge with you :P

    Chemistry is a lovely subject, there are definitely some parts that are fairly difficult but you will get your head around them eventually, having a good teacher and working consistently throughout the year will definitely get you a good grade. Also, it's completely different to JC chemistry, but if you looked it at that level it's a good sign you'll enjoy it for the leaving cert.

    If you are interested in doing science after school, you definitely don't need to do 3 sciences. Because everyone will have different combinations of science subjects, you'll study all the sciences so everyone will be brought up to the same level.

    Also, I see for maths you're not sure of what level to pick. Definitely start out at HL, it's not as bad as everyone makes out!

    I'm studying French, biology, chemistry and geography so if any of ye have any questions about them, PM me :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Glee_GG


    Hey just thought I'd share some info with ye! :)

    I'm doing German, Biology, Chemistry, Physics and Applied Maths so if anyone has any questions or that just send me a PM :)


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 93 ✭✭smurphy11


    Glee_GG wrote: »
    Hey just thought I'd share some info with ye! :)

    I'm doing German, Biology, Chemistry, Physics and Applied Maths so if anyone has any questions or that just send me a PM :)

    how are you finding app maths? also whats chemistry like does it help with any other subjects?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Glee_GG


    smurphy11 wrote: »
    how are you finding app maths? also whats chemistry like does it help with any other subjects?

    Its not too bad. I love maths which helps a good bit I guess. I do it in school, theres about 10 in my class. At least 7 of them only took it on because they felt like they should do an 8th subject and a lot of them are struggling with it. Theres some cross-over with it and physics but honestly I feel that app maths helps with physics not the other way around! Saying that you don't have to do physics to do app maths but you would want to have an interest in it.

    Chemistry would definitely be my favourite subject. It a subject that its far more important to understand the concepts than just to know them off by heart. You have to understand what your doing. There isn't really any subjects that it crosses over with. A bit of physics at the end is about radioactivity and electrons which overlaps but its only 2 chapters.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    smurphy11 wrote: »
    how are you finding app maths? also whats chemistry like does it help with any other subjects?

    There's some small bits of the physics course in the chemistry book (and vice versa too), but I wouldnt say its a big help at all.


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