GAA Lotto's???

Dazzler88

Hey Guys.Just wondering if anyone has came across a situation like this.Our local GAA club lotto has a jackpot of €18,000 that hasn't been won since 1996(15 years).

There is 40 numbers to pick from and they sell roughly 500 tickets a week at €2 a ticket,the lotto runs 52 weeks of the year.

So it roughly makes €1000 a week,€52,000 a year and still only have a jackpot of €18,000.

Why the figures bother me is they are now trying to build a pitch and say they have no funds to do so,they now want €100 from every club member towards the pitch,there is 90 active members.

Fair enough,it takes a lot of money to run a club every year,affiliation fees,pitches,light and heat..But seems the club should have at least a €100,000 in a bank account,after taking in €52,000 a year for 15 years.

Has anyone seen a situation like this.I brought up the issue at the AGM last night and was told that the costs overcame the income.When I asked why club members aren't provided with yearly accounts,I was told it wasn't club policy.

Don't get me wrong I'm GAA mad but think there could be a bit more transparency.Anyone else see anything like this?

largepants

1996? Jeez thats mad. And its only an e18000 jackpot? So basically the jackpot doesn't go up anymore. I thought in that case you had to have a jackpot running alongside the one that had 'maxed' out.OP I never heard of anything like this is my life. I'm wondering is it even legal. Surely there are some rules and regulations governing lottos like this.

Frank Spencer

Dazzler88 wrote: »

Hey Guys.Just wondering if anyone has came across a situation like this.Our local GAA club lotto has a jackpot of €18,000 that hasn't been won since 1996(15 years).

There is 40 numbers to pick from and they sell roughly 500 tickets a week at €2 a ticket,the lotto runs 52 weeks of the year.

So it roughly makes €1000 a week,€52,000 a year and still only have a jackpot of €18,000.

Why the figures bother me is they are now trying to build a pitch and say they have no funds to do so,they now want €100 from every club member towards the pitch,there is 90 active members.

Fair enough,it takes a lot of money to run a club every year,affiliation fees,pitches,light and heat..But seems the club should have at least a €100,000 in a bank account,after taking in €52,000 a year for 15 years.

Has anyone seen a situation like this.I brought up the issue at the AGM last night and was told that the costs overcame the income.When I asked why club members aren't provided with yearly accounts,I was told it wasn't club policy.

Don't get me wrong I'm GAA mad but think there could be a bit more transparency.Anyone else see anything like this?

How many numbers are drawn, how many does the entrant select and how many do you have to match to win?

Clareman

I thought you would have had to run a second jackpot once the first 1 reached it's peek, I think Gort had 3 going at 1 stage.

I would imagine that the club got "lazy", the lotto money was coming in, buy new jerseys for every team, don't bother with sponsorship, don't hold events, etc. etc. I would question the making of accounts available though, it's up to each club to make accounts available, not necessarily to every member automatically, but definitely when requested they need to make them available, I would put in a formal request for accounts, I think you can go back a max of 7 years, but I might be wrong, if they refuse then ask the county board.

Gophur

Annual Accounts are a must-have for any club. Something's being hidden from your members.

If you are pulling 4 numbers from 40 then your odds of winning are
(40*39*38*37)/(1*2*3*4) = 91,390:1 , so you will sell one Jackpot winner , on average, for every 90,390 entries.

Those odds are ridiculously high for a club selling something in the order of 500 tickets per week. It translates to a predicted winner, on average, once every 180 weeks. If, as you say, there has been no winner since 1996 then that's a flawed "lottery".

bobmalooka

no accounts available :eek::eek::eek:

get onto that straight away, most clubs furnish accounts to club members at their AGM

Kerrydude1981

Club down here in Kerry had a long running Lotto jackpot that wasnt won,20k jackpot,then started a second Lotto draw,both were won last year,but the club did up their pitch put up new lights built new dressing rooms made their car park bigger,all work was done by members of the club and all work was paid by the money they made from the Lotto

As others said club accounts should be made available to club members at the AGM.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

our lotto is 24 numbers, match 4. jackpot is at 20k (the max allowed for a local lotto) and another jackpot is building up.

40 numbers seems a huge amount!

I dont know

Club accounts are supplied at the AGM.
It’s the main talking point at the AGM of every other club in the association. Your Club is either doing something seriously wrong, or you don’t actually attend?
If they actually have a club policy of not publishing accounts, you need to go over their head to the County Board, Provincial Council or Croke Park.

One of the strengths of the clubs of the association is the transparency of their finances. If it came out in the press that clubs were deliberately hiding figures from members, it would be damaging for ALL our Clubs, not just the ones involved.

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You only have 90 active members and manage to sell 500 tickets a week? Fair play to yous..
The out goings of most GAA clubs now would exceed €52,000 to be fair. If you think something’s not right, then you need to get yourself on the committee. Surely the AGM is in the next 2 months?

Our Club cap the lotto at £10,000 with a roll over building while its at that. It would put the club in serious trouble if it were won twice in one year though.

Gophur

No club should put itself into trouble by offering jackpots it doesn't have.

The normal thing is for the jackpot to start at €2,000 and to increment by €100 or €200 per week, with the money being put aside each week, to cover for when it is eventually won.

premierstone

Dazzler88 wrote: »

Hey Guys.Just wondering if anyone has came across a situation like this.Our local GAA club lotto has a jackpot of €18,000 that hasn't been won since 1996(15 years).

There is 40 numbers to pick from and they sell roughly 500 tickets a week at €2 a ticket,the lotto runs 52 weeks of the year.

So it roughly makes €1000 a week,€52,000 a year and still only have a jackpot of €18,000.

Why the figures bother me is they are now trying to build a pitch and say they have no funds to do so,they now want €100 from every club member towards the pitch,there is 90 active members.

Fair enough,it takes a lot of money to run a club every year,affiliation fees,pitches,light and heat..But seems the club should have at least a €100,000 in a bank account,after taking in €52,000 a year for 15 years.

Has anyone seen a situation like this.I brought up the issue at the AGM last night and was told that the costs overcame the income.When I asked why club members aren't provided with yearly accounts,I was told it wasn't club policy.

Don't get me wrong I'm GAA mad but think there could be a bit more transparency.Anyone else see anything like this?

If all of what you are saying here is accurate, your club is in violation of its permit first of all and secondly there is no way in hell the jackpot was not won in 15 years selling 500 tickets a week, something very sinister and dodgy going on there, is the draw not done in public?? My own club do the draw in a different pub in hte parish on a Sunday night so its all transparent and above board, also 4 out of 40 is far far too much , 4 from 30 would be much closer the norm.

iwsf

the chairman is not a banker by any chance ?

premierstone

iwsf wrote: »

the chairman is not a banker by any chance ?

Theres a good chance you are close, I suspect you may have one letter wrong though, I'll give you a hint its the first one

Really hope the OP's not the Chairman lol

Dazzler88

Frank Spencer wrote: »

How many numbers are drawn, how many does the entrant select and how many do you have to match to win?

That is the thing,you pick 3 numbers and all three have to match.The lotto draw is done is private by two club officials,no independent adjudicator.If you match 2 numbers,you get €30 which at least 3 people get every week,seems a bit strange that 3 people match two numbers every week but don't get that thrid number..

Dazzler88

premierstone wrote: »

If all of what you are saying here is accurate, your club is in violation of its permit first of all and secondly there is no way in hell the jackpot was not won in 15 years selling 500 tickets a week,

How would they be in violation of their permit,unfortunately I know very little about the procedures involved in the setting up of lotto.

premierstone wrote: »

something very sinister and dodgy going on there, is the draw not done in public?? My own club do the draw in a different pub in hte parish on a Sunday night

No the draw is done in a pub but in the back room by two club officials,the same two officials do it every week.

TBH if all wasn't above board it wouldn't bother me that much,if they used the money they have been gathering all these years to build their new pitch but know they have announced the club has no funds to start the pitch.

They have bought land to the value of €120,000,the land comprises of nearly 20 acres,when the meeting was held to buy the field,a local man said take 5 acres for your pitch and sell the rest,this man was told under no circumstances would the land be bought for any financial gain.

So know they have a mortgage of €120,000 for land that they don't have enough money to build a pitch on.

I hate questioning all these issues because people would say that guy is against this club,and where do you think that would leave my kids when their picking an under-age team.

rpurfield

sounds suspect to me to be honest.i never heard of a club lotto going to 40 numbers either its a bit much,most go to 24-30 dont they?

68Murph68

Dazzler88 wrote: »

Has anyone seen a situation like this.I brought up the issue at the AGM last night and was told that the costs overcame the income.When I asked why club members aren't provided with yearly accounts,I was told it wasn't club policy.

Don't get me wrong I'm GAA mad but think there could be a bit more transparency.Anyone else see anything like this?

Pretty sure that all club members are entitled to club accounts by law and I would have thought that the club's board were legally obligated to provide annual accounts at the AGM.

As to the notion that it's not club policy to provide the club accounts to clu members that is just insane.

I dont know wrote: »

Club accounts are supplied at the AGM.
It’s the main talking point at the AGM of every other club in the association. Your Club is either doing something seriously wrong, or you don’t actually attend?
If they actually have a club policy of not publishing accounts, you need to go over their head to the County Board, Provincial Council or Croke Park.

One of the strengths of the clubs of the association is the transparency of their finances. If it came out in the press that clubs were deliberately hiding figures from members, it would be damaging for ALL our Clubs, not just the ones involved.

Agree with this - if I was you I would be contacting the county board and Croke Park straight away. I'm pretty sure Croke Park would want to hear about this immediately. Heard some talk about some committee in Croke Park being set up to monitor any club's financial status a while back -don't know if it ever happened but I know that some of the upper levels would be very uneasy about the club's policy.

Dazzler88 wrote: »

I hate questioning all these issues because people would say that guy is against this club,and where do you think that would leave my kids when their picking an under-age team.

It might be a bit awkward but if anyone says this tell them that it it because you are concerned about the club that you are raising this issues.

Which would be worst - some awkwardness because some member's of the board felt they were entitled to keep the club accounts secret or the club being forced to sell pitches/club-house because of financial mismanagement?
With a mortgage in place and a very secretive approach to the financial management of the club who knows what sort of a position the club is in financially?

Seriously contact the county board and Croke Park both asap. Everything could be above board and proper or there might be issues but with any sort of financial issues the sooner everything is out in the open the better for everyone else.

The Green

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(b) M inutes of previous Annual General Meeting.
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(d) Consideration of the Financial Statements
including the Report of the Accountant(s) or
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(e) The Chairperson’s Address.
(f) Election of Officers and Members of the Executive
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