What athletes will shine in 2012 ??

james1992

It's only a few weeks till we enter an olympic year. What athletes do you see shining in 2012.

Derval in London ??
Mageean in European champs ?
kate veale in world juniors ?
Thomas Barr and Ciarain Llionard improving their pb's again ?
Or maybe some of you have heard about athletes going well in training and you feel they will shine in 2012.

what you think ?????

BobMac104

Looking forward to see what madlen can do. anyone see him on ITV last night? there was a piece on mo farrah training in america and he was in most of the shots there.

Pherekydes

Gregan to take a big step forward. English over 800m.

Cléirigh-Buttner over 800m or 1500m and maybe we'll see a return to form for Charlotte ffrench-O'Carroll.

ecoli

Joe Sweeney's debut in the marathon will be an interesting one could see 2.12-2.14ish possibly? Has the talent to do it and ran solo 2.12 pace for 30k this year so has the potential to go well over the full distance

marchino

My friend, Jake Byrne.
31.14 over 10k cross country in the usa a few weeks ago and then home to win national junior 6k, last weekend, as he liked.
That was the 1st time he ever raced over 10k too road,track or x-country!.
Going to europeans now on dec 10th.

longjump67

Think that Dempsey Mc Guigan (Finn Valley) to throw 70m+ in the Hammer and Qualify for the World Juniors maybe top 10 finnish a possability.

Mark English (Letterkenny) to improve his 800m time if study doesn't get in the way.

Kate Veale to continue her upward curve in the walks.

SeanKenny

Fellow rebels Derval O'Rourke , Mad Len and Olive Loughnane (we claim her now!!).

The Letterkenny duo of Darren McBrearty and Mark English. Both are in DCU now so i'm sure there will be some tasty training sessions to watch there during the season!!

Cragg to produce a martathon national record to add to his 5000m and 10000m.

David Gillick to bounce back to 45 second territory. Ciara Mageean to get the Olympc standard over 1500m.

Robert Heffernan to secure a top 12 in the 50k walk in London.

Martin Fagan to run 2 hrs 10 mins to qualify for London.

woodchopper

longjump67 wrote: »

Think that Dempsey Mc Guigan (Finn Valley) to throw 70m+ in the Hammer and Qualify for the World Juniors maybe top 10 finnish a possability.

Mark English (Letterkenny) to improve his 800m time if study doesn't get in the way.

Kate Veale to continue her upward curve in the walks.

Mark English is hardly the only talented athlete that has to juggle Athletics with Academics. Brian Gregan and many others Im sure are busy with college heading into their final year but still train to a high level.

Daz1214

aileen morrison will shine in the itu world champs next year

thirstywork2

Rob heffernan will be our top track and field athlete at the olympics.
Ciaran o Lionard making huge strides and if he can improve another small bit will make the final.

While Jake byrne is talented and a friend of yours he will have to step it up after the NCAA.Showed great courage to come back and win the junior race after nearly finishing last in NCAA in 224th.
siofra o’cleirigh buttner will have a great season ont he track and country.

Sprocket77

SeanKenny wrote: »

Fellow rebels Derval O'Rourke , Mad Len and Olive Loughnane (we claim her now!!).

You can claim her all you want, she was born in Cork.

longjump67

woodchopper wrote: »

Mark English is hardly the only talented athlete that has to juggle Athletics with Academics. Brian Gregan and many others Im sure are busy with college heading into their final year but still train to a high level.

Indeed not, however mark two older sisters (who were very talented athletes in their own right) virtually stopped athletics during their Uni years.

SeanKenny

thirstywork2 wrote: »

While Jake byrne is talented and a friend of yours he will have to step it up after the NCAA.Showed great courage to come back and win the junior race after nearly finishing last in NCAA in 224th.

The NCAA is a tough race and I read on the preview of it that Jake Byrne was a last minute call up. He came home and gave our best home based juniors a lesson in distance running last weekend. Give the young man a chance.

SeanKenny

thirstywork2 wrote: »

Rob heffernan will be our top track and field athlete at the olympics.
Ciaran o Lionard making huge strides and if he can improve another small bit will make the final.

Mad Len will face the same guys as he did in the worlds this year - if he improves under Alberto Salazar he will be hunting for a medal, not just making the final.

ecoli

SeanKenny wrote: »

The NCAA is a tough race and I read on the preview of it that Jake Byrne was a last minute call up. He came home and gave our best home based juniors a lesson in distance running last weekend. Give the young man a chance.

This is True also the fact that he had red shirted the NCAA season up until that race meant he didnt have the race sharpness many of the other athletes would have had also needs to be taken into account. Hopefully that will work in his favour in terms of freshness for the Euro's

thirstywork2

SeanKenny wrote: »

The NCAA is a tough race and I read on the preview of it that Jake Byrne was a last minute call up. He came home and gave our best home based juniors a lesson in distance running last weekend. Give the young man a chance.

I am giving him a chance thats why I said he showed great courage to come back and win the juniors.

Every year people talk up juniors who don't go on to make it at senior level and I hope jake does but he will have to step it up in the NCAA.
it's a tough level when you are used to being number one in your age in Ireland.So what would be your prediction in the Euros for Jake Sean Kenny???I don't see him making the top 30.Athletes liek Mark Christie have finished 6th in this event

Regards Ciaran I think a medal in the olympics is out of the question(maybe me being negative/realist)
Rob Heffernan has more chance than Ciaran in my opinion.

cremeegg

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Christ compels you

thirstywork2 wrote:

Regards Ciaran I think a medal in the olympics is out of the question(maybe me being negative/realist)

How is a medal for O'Lionaird out of the question?
Just this past summer after putting years of injury behind him he was 10th at the World Championships, a second off a medal. In an event he didn't even focus on until about a month before Daegu.

This year, he'll have experience at that level, higher level of training, no school to worry about or finances to worry about, one of the best coaches in the world, the best facilities in the world, an altitude chamber in his apartment to live, a world champion as his training partner and he'll be 100% prepared for London unlike last year where he had no plans to run Worlds until a few weeks before.
He wasn't even pleased with how he ran in the final. A smarter race, he could of been closer to a medal

And a medal at the Olympics is out the question in your opinion?


I'm guessing that you were one of the junior athletes expected of great things that you speak of.
And you failed. And everyone with a chance of doing well, you're so quick to put them down.

SeanKenny

thirstywork2 wrote: »

I am giving him a chance thats why I said he showed great courage to come back and win the juniors.

Every year people talk up juniors who don't go on to make it at senior level and I hope jake does but he will have to step it up in the NCAA.
it's a tough level when you are used to being number one in your age in Ireland.So what would be your prediction in the Euros for Jake Sean Kenny???I don't see him making the top 30.Athletes liek Mark Christie have finished 6th in this event

You may well be right. I heard he flew back to the states on Monday morning and will have to return again for the race. Regardless of finish though he secured his place by returning home and winning the trial with a composed and authoritive display. I think it would be difficult for anyone to do that amount of travel and then run well in the Euro's. Look at Mad Len last year? He bombed out of the Euro's but look at him now!! Sometimes these events are about gaining experience to help improve as an athlete. Was Len in the top 6 as a junior? No!


Mark Christie was a fantastic junior. His 8.04 junior record is a fine record. In my mind Christie was the best junior cross country runner since the battles between John Murray and Mark Carroll.

myflipflops

O'Lionaird to break the 1500 record if Oregon suits him. It will be interesting if he has a go at the 5k in a serious way.

Ciara Magaeen to make the Olympics.

The marathon - We will have 3 men and 1 women competing in London.

airscotty

excited to see Aileen Morrison race itu and olympics in 2012...she's beaten the best before

thirstywork2

Christ compels you wrote: »

How is a medal for O'Lionaird out of the question?
Just this past summer after putting years of injury behind him he was 10th at the World Championships, a second off a medal. In an event he didn't even focus on until about a month before Daegu.

This year, he'll have experience at that level, higher level of training, no school to worry about or finances to worry about, one of the best coaches in the world, the best facilities in the world, an altitude chamber in his apartment to live, a world champion as his training partner and he'll be 100% prepared for London unlike last year where he had no plans to run Worlds until a few weeks before.
He wasn't even pleased with how he ran in the final. A smarter race, he could of been closer to a medal

And a medal at the Olympics is out the question in your opinion?


I'm guessing that you were one of the junior athletes expected of great things that you speak of.
And you failed. And everyone with a chance of doing well, you're so quick to put them down.

firstly you are dreaming if you think he will medal.he made the final as a fastest looser.i was never much of a runner as a junior and very much not much of a runner as a senior.I enjoy running and im not a negative person but more a realist

Yes a medal is out of the question.take a look at last years rankings and see what a second means !!!









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myflipflops

thirstywork2 wrote: »

Yes a medal is out of the question.take a look at last years rankings and see what a second means !!!
POL10/07/19886Zagreb13/09/20113:34.46Matthew Centrowitz U]

Talk to Matt Centrowitz about what a second means and if a medal is possible with a 3.34 PB.

SeanKenny

And there you have it not a hope. Oh wait look at the guy one spot ahead of Len! Its Matthew Centrowitz! The bronze medal winner from this years world championships.

Sometimes championships are not about the fastest time trialist or the guy with the fastest PB. Sometimes they are about the guy who holds his head and believes that he can be successful. Its about maximisng your performance on the one day in the year that counts and delivering a well executed race under the intense heat of a championship final. Thats why, sometimes guys like Ciaran O'Lionaird make the podium.

Where was Peter Rono in the rankings in 1987 one year prior to the Olympics. When Fermin Cacho was last in the European Junior 1500m final in 1987 who would have believed he'd take the greatest crown of all in 1992? Where was he in the world rankings in 1991? Greg Konchellah (Kamel) took gold unexpectedly in Osaka. Thats what makes the 1500m the blue riband!

thirstywork2

myflipflops wrote: »

Talk to Matt Centrowitz about what a second means and if a medal is possible with a 3.34 PB.

Fair point but Matt comes from a family with serious pedigree,his father was a two time Olympian.They are two differnt athletes and Ciaran can't close a race down as quickly as Matt.

I will eat my words if Ciaran medals but it aint gona happen.I hope im wrong but im not gona be

PS this thread has gone of the topic which who will be shine in 2012.Ciaran will shine but not with a medal at the Olympics.

Dan man

Mad Len has something very special about him at the minute (and no I'm not talking about his mullet!). I don't think anyone is saying that he will medal at the Olympics, but given all of the positive moves he has been making over the last few months then all us fans are getting really excited about his prospects. He could be the dark horse and if he makes the final then rule nothing out.

Dan man

Rob Heffernan will go close to medalling in London and Fionnuala Britton should improve further this year, possibly culminating in a top 10 in the Olympics (we hope). Gillick and Hession maybe to return to their best also. Ciara Mageean I think will make the team for London which will be a great achievement in itself. Also, the women's 4x400m relay squad could likely break the Irish record again this year (at the Olympics hopefully).

Pisco Sour

Derval to make the final in London, and after that who knows. She would have cruised into the final in Daegu but for her injury. Having said that I would be surprised if 12.84 makes the final in London. I'd expect the event to be stronger next year.

Gillick will be back close to, if not sub 45 next year. I have no doubt. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Not sure if we'll see Hesh back to the form of 2007-2009 but will keep the fingers crossed for him.

Rob Heffernan is our best shot at a medal. I have a sneaky feeling he is going to do the business in the 50k. I don't know why, it's just a feeling I have. I think he has so much scope for improvement in that event. If attempting the 20k beforehand takes away from his chances in the 50k then I'd be worried, but if not then it would be great to see him attempt the double.

I can't see Olive getting back to medal winning form, but I'm sure she'll be up in the top 8 come London. She suffered badly in Daegu with 88% humidity. Wont have to worry about that in London.

Mad Len to make the final and finish in the top 6 is a real possibility, and to break the Irish record along the way.

The women's 4x400m team to not only break the Irish record, but make the final. Big statement but I think that team has a lot of potential. They were just 1.5 seconds (or less maybe) off a final place in Daegu, and if you recall there was a huge mix up at the start where Marian Heffernan would have lost the best part of a second. That wont happen again. There's a lot more to come off that Irish record.

Ciara Mageean to make the Olympic team, and qualify for the semi finals.

Jessie Barr to get well down into the 55's, make the Olympic team, and perhaps the semi finals.

Thomas Barr to break the Irish record and make the Olympic team.

Kate Veale to medal at the World Juniors. She performed incredibly in the junior event at the European Cup last year, even though she was only a youth athlete.

Hopefully Deirdre Ryan can kick on from her breakthrough last year and get up into the 1.97-1.98 area.

thirstywork2

Dan man wrote: »

I don't think anyone is saying that he will medal at the Olympics.agree with everything you say but a few people on here think he will medal on the previous posts and they are dreaming but hey isn't it good to dream

ecoli

Interestingly Ciaran and Matt have the exact same PB 3.34.46 yet Centro is a notable kicker which was proved in the US trials when he outkicked Lagat who is one of the best kickers around (admittedly he doubled in the Trials between this and 5k so was not fully fresh)

I personally am more excited to see what O'Lionaird does in 5k this year as I think he will aim for this for a few reasons:

1) The last few years he has been a 5000/10000m guy it is only in recent times he has been considered a miler
2) Salazar is a well established long distance coach but has yet to produce anything really with middle distance guys ( The Alan Webb comeback experiment proving to be a failure)
3) People forget he is not even the fastest 1500m runner in the Long distance group with Farah boasting a 3.32 PB yet still training for the longer distances I can see Len taking the same route (though may run the odd 800/1500 like Rupp has done in the past early season)

I could be wrong but I think he might emerge next summer as a 5k runner and if so I think high 13.0x could be on the cards

SeanKenny

ecoli wrote: »

Interestingly Ciaran and Matt have the exact same PB 3.34.46 yet Centro is a notable kicker which was proved in the US trials when he outkicked Lagat who is one of the best kickers around (admittedly he doubled in the Trials between this and 5k so was not fully fresh)

I personally am more excited to see what O'Lionaird does in 5k this year as I think he will aim for this for a few reasons:

1) The last few years he has been a 5000/10000m guy it is only in recent times he has been considered a miler
2) Salazar is a well established long distance coach but has yet to produce anything really with middle distance guys ( The Alan Webb comeback experiment proving to be a failure)
3) People forget he is not even the fastest 1500m runner in the Long distance group with Farah boasting a 3.32 PB yet still training for the longer distances I can see Len taking the same route (though may run the odd 800/1500 like Rupp has done in the past early season)

I could be wrong but I think he might emerge next summer as a 5k runner and if so I think high 13.0x could be on the cards

I agree that he is a very exciting prospect over 5000m and also 10,000m. However this is a quote he gave in an interview with running man in October, after he joined Salazar's group.

What is your aims for the upcoming season and when is your next race?
My next race hasn't been defined yet but it probably won't be until the New Year. The goal is to win an Olympic medal in the 1500 metres. That's why I kept running. The Olympics is the same level of competition as Daegu. I made the final there and if I'm not looking to improve and medal then I may as well stop now. I'm not content just to qualify. Ireland is a nation known for it's milers traditionally. It's about time we had someone on the podium and I'll be doing everything I can to put myself there.

Link to the interview:
http://www.runningmanathletics.com/madlen.htm

It seems he's focussed on the 1500m. He was already a finalist this year. He'll need to break 13 mins before he is a player at 5000m at a global major - look at Cragg. 13.03 and he just manages to scrape into finals- which is super running.

lacticsmygame

Hession could see a return to his best after making the move to train under John Coghlan in Dublin. That group already has Steven Colvert who will no doubt be of great benefit to Hession, and visa versa. Both athletes have lacked a strong sparring partner in the last few years and training together could see both of them make big improvements. Disappointingly, and on the topic, Colvert hasn't been mentioned on this tread as of yet even though he is only 0.21 off the 200m A-Standard - a man who at 21 is one of the biggest sprinting talents the country has ever had and who has been earmarked as a potential challenger to Hession's 200m record (although this may be a couple of years away yet). With Hession to train with, Colvert may well make that leap to World championship competition this year. Also, I don't know if Jason Smyth will run the 200m this year, but, assuming he does, there could be three qualifiers in that event which would be great for Irish sprinting. We shall see.

BTH

Dan man wrote: »

Fionnuala Britton should improve further this year, possibly culminating in a top 10 in the Olympics (we hope)

Forget next year for a minute here. She looks all set to shine on Sunday and take home a medal.

thirstywork2

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

Forget next year for a minute here. She looks all set to shine on Sunday and take home a medal.

I think she will win on sunday,only danger are the Brits.
What event is she doing in the olympics because she won't finish top 10 in any track event !!!

Dan man

thirstywork2 wrote: »

I think she will win on sunday,only danger are the Brits.
What event is she doing in the olympics because she won't finish top 10 in any track event !!!

She will be competing in the 3,000m steeplechase, and she does have the potential to finish top 10 in this event if she continues to improve. Sure she was 15th or 16th this year at the worlds was she not?

myflipflops

thirstywork2 wrote: »

I think she will win on sunday,only danger are the Brits.

What Brits? Hattie Dean leads their team, she was 7th last year. She does have a great chance to win but their is plenty of comepetion there.

Main dangers are Sohpie Duarte, a French athlete who has been in good form this winter, mixing it with (and beating) some good Kenyans like Martha Komu over the country.

Ana Dulce Felix from Portugal was 3rd last year and leads their team this year.

Adrienne Herzog was 3rd in 2009 and look to be near that form again.

Binnaz Usla was 2nd last year and has been ahead of Britton for medals before that. She was 30 odd seconds behind Britton in France a few weeks ago but cannot write her off for lots of reasons.

Personally, i think silver but very close to gold.

thirstywork2

myflipflops wrote: »

What Brits? Hattie Dean leads their team, she was 7th last year. She does have a great chance to win but their is plenty of comepetion there.

Main dangers are Sohpie Duarte, a French athlete who has been in good form this winter, mixing it with (and beating) some good Kenyans like Martha Komu over the country.

Ana Dulce Felix from Portugal was 3rd last year and leads their team this year.

Adrienne Herzog was 3rd in 2009 and look to be near that form again.

Binnaz Usla was 2nd last year and has been ahead of Britton for medals before that. She was 30 odd seconds behind Britton in France a few weeks ago but cannot write her off for lots of reasons.

Personally, i think silver but very close to gold.

What Brits.....the girl in 3rd place today
i was right with my prediction,great run and won easy int he end.

myflipflops

thirstywork2 wrote: »

What Brits.....the girl in 3rd place today
i was right with my prediction,great run and won easy int he end.

You should get a job writing and compiling odds on athletics.