Report says Anders Breivik should not be punished...

MisterEpicurus

Last night, a report was published which said that Anders Breivik was insane and should not be punished. It also says he is 'not responsible for his actions' because apparently he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and should be placed in a ward instead.

So what do you guys think? Should he be forced to take responsibility or avoid punishment???

Norwegian gunman Anders Breivik could avoid prison after two psychologists found he was insane during his July 22 massacre.

If a court agrees with that assessment, the self-declared anti-Muslim militant cannot be sentenced to prison but will be subjected to compulsory psychiatric care, prosecutors told reporters in Oslo.

'The conclusions of the forensic experts is that Anders Behring Breivik was insane,' prosecutor Svein Holden said, adding Breivik was in a state of psychosis during Norway's worst peacetime massacre.

In Norway, an insanity defense requires that a defendant be in a state of psychosis while committing the crime with which he or she is charged.

That means the defendant has lost contact with reality to the point that he's no longer in control of his own actions.

The 243-page report will be reviewed by a panel from the Norwegian Board of Forensic Medicine, which could ask for additional information and add its own opinions.

The head of that panel told had reporters in July that it was unlikely that Breivik would be declared legally insane because the attacks were so carefully planned and executed.

Breivik last month admitted killing 77 people, including eight in a bombing in central Oslo.

But the 32-year-old right-wing extremist denies criminal guilt because he believes the massacre was necessary to save Norway and Europe.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2067604/Anders-Breivik-insane-massacre-psychologists-conclude.html#ixzz1fCewNM4e

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2067604/Anders-Breivik-insane-massacre-psychologists-conclude.html

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Personally, I think he should go to the gallows instead...sick bastard!

4zn76tysfajdxp

So long as he's locked away I don't mind. Mental home or prison.

HavingCrack

Well to be fair if a person is found 'insane' generally they're sent to a mental institution. In a case such as this it's highly unlikely any doctor would ever certify that he is safe for release. Norway doesn't have the death penalty and the maximum sentence there is 14 years so life in a mental hospital is probably a harsher punishment under Norwegian law than prison to be honest.

As long as he's never released from the hospital I'd be happy.

TheZohanS

I think people that don't quote articles should be banned.

RachaelVO

Preston Nervous Source wrote: »

So long as he's locked away I don't mind. Mental home or prison.

Yep, he should NEVER see the light of day again. EVER!!!!!!!!

brummytom

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

Personally, I think he should go to the gallows instead...sick bastard!

Yes, he is sick.


He needs help, not hanging.

MisterEpicurus

TheZohan wrote: »

I think people that don't quote articles should be banned.

Apologies about that, I'm actually not even sure how to go about it...I'll try to edit my post above so.

EDIT: Thanks for doing it, won't happen again :-)

El Weirdo

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

So what do you guys think? Should he be forced to take responsibility or avoid punishment???

I'm not a lawyer or a psychiatrist.

I suppose that's why I wasn't asked for my opinion by the authors of the report.

TheZohan wrote: »

I think people that don't quote articles should be banned.

It's from the Daily Mail though. Which would explain this:

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

Personally, I think he should go to the gallows instead...sick bastard!

Snakeblood

Long years in a mental hospital learning about the damage he's done to people just like him, please.

Seifer

Where does it say he shouldn't be punished?

GetWithIt

brummytom wrote: »

Yes, he is sick.


He needs help, not hanging.

Agreed.

However if he escapes just before Halloween I am officially going to sh!t myself.

Snakeblood

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm not a lawyer or a psychiatrist.

I suppose that's why I wasn't asked for my opinion by the authors of the report.

You're a rabble, damn it, now act like it!

FootShooter

It's definitely the right thing. He's been thoroughly evaluated and diagnosed, although the diagnosis and report is going to be well evaluated as well, from a group of 7 other psychiatrist, so it's not entirely final yet
The law that says insane people who are unaccountable for their crimes should not be put in jail but receive mandatory psychiatric help has been around for over a hundred years in Norway, ignoring the law because of the severity of his actions would be wrong. It shows that the justice system in Norway is in good shape, and the principle of having a justice system that rehabilitates instead of punishing is still in place even in a serious case like this.

And, please don't link to the Daily Mail concerning serious cases like this.

MisterEpicurus

Seifer wrote: »

Where does it say he shouldn't be punished?

The actual report (243pg) actually says that he shouldn't be held responsible for his actions and therefore should not be punished.

FootShooter

HavingCrack wrote: »

Norway doesn't have the death penalty and the maximum sentence there is 14 years so life in a mental hospital is probably a harsher punishment under Norwegian law than prison to be honest.

The strictest sentence is 21 years plus something called involuntary commitment, which means the court can extend the sentence for 5 years at a time if the prisoner is still considered a threat to society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway

It's true that a mental hospital is a much harsher punishment in his eyes. He was prepared to go to prison, and was pleading sanity. Having to go to a mental hospital is a huge blow to him. Also there's the small chance he actually could be cured, then he would realize what he has done and be in even more pain.

Kiith

Hadn't he been planning it for years? That doesn't seem like insanity to me, but a well thought out (if utterly insane) plan. I dunno, as above i've no idea on where the line is between clinically insane and just ****ing crazy, but if he ever gets out of jail or hospital, then it's a disgrace.

El Weirdo

Kiith wrote: »

Hadn't he been planning it for years? That doesn't seem like insanity to me, but a well thought out (if utterly insane) plan. I dunno, as above i've no idea on where the line is between clinically insane and just ****ing crazy, but if he ever gets out of jail or hospital, then it's a disgrace.

I think you're getting mixed up between pre-meditated and insanity.

RachaelVO

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

The actual report (243pg) actually says that he shouldn't be held responsible for his actions and therefore should not be punished.

Can't see the victims families being to happy with that! He had planned this down to the last bullet, his victims families are not going to believe this "defense" I'm not one of the victims families and I know I don't.

I genuinely hope he never sees the light of day again, this was a planned exercise, and he killed people in cold blood. Nice padded cell and a nice jacket to keep him warm.

He doesn't deserve anything more!

MisterEpicurus

brummytom wrote: »

Yes, he is sick.


He needs help, not hanging.

I didn't actually mean it, I'm against that type of punishment, just expressing my intensity of dislike I have for him. Maybe I should have added a smiley :eek:

My name is URL

Kiith wrote: »

Hadn't he been planning it for years? That doesn't seem like insanity to me, but a well thought out (if utterly insane) plan. I dunno, as above i've no idea on where the line is between clinically insane and just ****ing crazy, but if he ever gets out of jail or hospital, then it's a disgrace.

+1

He wrote a 250 page manifesto too! Seems to me like he had an abundant amount of control over his own actions. Sure the attacks themselves were insane, but so were the attacks on 9-11, and the London bombings.. The people responsible still had a calculated plan and an overall agenda.

Snakeblood

RachaelVO wrote: »

Can't see the victims families being to happy with that! He had planned this down to the last bullet, his victims families are not going to believe this "defense" I'm not one of the victims families and I know I don't.

I genuinely hope he never sees the light of day again, this was a planned exercise, and he killed people in cold blood. Nice padded cell and a nice jacket to keep him warm.

He doesn't deserve anything more!

I dunno. I think if you brought him to a 'normal' human's understanding of what he'd done, that'd probably be quite a punishment in and of itself. He obviously is completely insane going by what he did and then, what he wrote beforehand. Anyone with basic compassion would be horrified by his actions.

Not that I'm saying you open the door directly afterwards, but I reckon making him into a normal person (if it could be done) would give him more pain than leaving him as he is.

The Outside Agency

He'd be found guilty of manslaughter and given a suspended sentence in Ireland.

Anders: "Your honour, I shot those people, but I did not mean to kill them"
Judge: "ah sure, no bother"

TheZohanS

I think it's easier for people to accept that he was insane than accept that there are very bad people, just like him, living amongst us in society.

Kevin Duffy

I think he should be freed and left to fend for himself, in Mecca, during the Haj.

But really, I think he should be locked up for good and ever in the hope that someday he realises the enormity of his crimes.

Rabidlamb

Didn't take long for the bleeding heart liberals to pour into this one with their free hugs.
The man has lost the right to any redemption by the severity of his crimes.
It would have been far better if he'd used the final bullet on himself, I'd say there's 70 odd families who would like to apply their own justice.

I presume you jelly bellys would like to see the US tried for the execution of Bin Laden aswell, clever America, cutting down on the paperwork.

Snakeblood

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Didn't take long for the bleeding heart liberals to pour into this one with their free hugs.
The man has lost the right to any redemption by the severity of his crimes.
It would have been far better if he'd used the final bullet on himself, I'd say there's 70 odd families who would like to apply their own justice.

I presume you jelly bellys would like to see the US tried for the execution of Bin Laden aswell, clever America, cutting down on the paperwork.

Yeah, I don't like laws either.

ejmaztec

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Didn't take long for the bleeding heart liberals to pour into this one with their free hugs.
The man has lost the right to any redemption by the severity of his crimes.
It would have been far better if he'd used the final bullet on himself, I'd say there's 70 odd families who would like to apply their own justice.

I presume you jelly bellys would like to see the US tried for the execution of Bin Laden aswell, clever America, cutting down on the paperwork.

The biggest loser was the pop-corn industry.

Rabidlamb

Snakeblood wrote: »

Yeah, I don't like laws either.

Allow to express a sweeping generalisation.

Most modern society could be controlled by a big dollop of common sense.

Snakeblood

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Allow to express a sweeping generalisation.

I think if you start with sweeping generalisations about people with opposing viewpoints, you're probably going to get them back, as the sort of argument you deserve\are capable of understanding.

PeterIanStaker

He should be put in with the rest of the prison population, maybe that way he'd "accidentally fall down a flight of stairs" or something. The world would genuinely be better off without people like him (and the Daily Mail:P)

amacachi

nivekd wrote: »

He'd be found guilty of manslaughter and given a suspended sentence in Ireland.

Anders: "Your honour, I shot those people, but I did not mean to kill them"
Judge: "ah sure, no bother"

No he wouldn't.



This report just happens to simplify things in the long-run, keeping him there indefinitely is probably seen as better than having an extra court case in a little over a decade for him looking to get released from prison.

Da Shins Kelly

It sounds about right that if he is found to be criminally insane that he should go to a mental hospital. The insane do not belong in normal prisons.

FootShooter

Having paranoid schizophrenia doesn't mean you're not able to live an almost normal and independent life, nor does it affect intelligence. The insanity is that he thinks he's living in a delusional universe where he saw himself as a savior of Europe and Norway. He also thinks he was being followed and watched a lot of the time, by police and government agents, basically anyone that was close to him and he didn't know, was added to his "kill list", including the psychiatrists that were evaluating him.

Paranoid Schizophrenia is one of the most serious mental illnesses that one can have, it's also on of the most common mental illnesses that serious criminals have.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/192621.php

Captain Darling

TheZohan wrote: »

I think it's easier for people to accept that he was insane than accept that there are very bad people, just like him, living amongst us in society.

Yep. Very true and well said. Hits the nail on the head.

Ellis Dee

I read about this in Aftenposten yesterday, just after the two court-appointed psychiatrists had submitted their report to the court in Oslo.

They are two of the leading experts in their field in Norway, and their report will still be evaluated by a panel of other experts before the court makes its final decision. However, it seems likely that the court will accept the finding that Breivik is psychotic, having been developing paranoid schizophrenia for a longer period, and not capable of answering for his deeds before a court of law.

Interestingly, as the article linked below shows, he has not been allowed to see the report. The reason stated is that it contains details that they do not wish him to see:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Behring-Breivik-fr-ikke-lese-rapporten-om-seg-selv-6710748.html

Sending him to a secure mental institution would be, IMO, the best solution all round. It will deny him a platform for his nutbar views and spare the families of the victims the pain of having to hear all the gory details thrashed out during a trial. It will also deny racists and neo-nazis an excuse to rally round him, and those who advocate the kinds of policies that he did will now have to face the reality that they are parroting the views of a certified madman rather than a political prisoner/martyr. The worst aspect of his being in prison would be that he could pass his fanatical views on to shorter-stay prisoners, who might then further propagate them after their release. I assume his fellow patients in the mental institution will be obvious lifers.;)

He can be confined indefinitely in a mental institution, albeit with his case reviewed every three years, and there is no way he will ever be released without a court ordering it. And that will probably never happen.;)

FootShooter

If he was sent to prison, I think the "worst" aspect would be him being instantly killed by the other inmates, if he was ever allowed around them.