The Tweaking Continues.

AlekSmart

Good to see a degree of willingness to make changes sooner rather than later....

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Routes-25-25a-and-25b-Routing-Change/

However I'm wondering if this particular alteration has taken acount of the number of EXTRA Bus Movements across one of the most problematic junctions in the City Centre.

To adequately understand my point re the Pembroke St/Leeson St junction and the impact upon Bus routes it is necessary to go back several years to the time pre-Luas when Bus routes ran along St Stephens Green South. (Iveagh House).

This particular routing worked for the Number 10 largely due to it Not being required to stop on Lower Leeson Street (Stop 786).

This allowed a No10 Busdriver to make the right turn from Pembroke St using the cover of the traffic island and proceed straight down the middle lane of Leeson St Lwr to it.s next Stop on Stephens Green South (Our one and only Island Bus Stop outside Iveagh House).

This was an eminently sensible and safe procedure and worked well even with the articulated AW's,one of the few real operational considerations ever provided to Artic operation in Dublin.

However,at some point after the Inbound Bus Lane went into Leeson St Lower the powers that be decided that every possible route needed to be forced into it and thus the 10 came to be forced across into the Bus Lane at the Pembroke St junction.

This may well have appeared to work withD's,KD's or RH's operating under Two-Person Operation rules,but it swiftly became a challenge as can be seen by observing a Tri-Axle VT on the 39A attempting to force a passage across this crazily laid out junction.

Given the continued reluctance of Dublin City Council to apply properly thought-out signalling to this junction I should have thought Bus Atha Cliath would be reluctant to tempt fate and take on even more risk than is currently seen daily there,but it seems I thought wrong.

The Lower Leeson St Bus-Stop (786) is now a seriously over utilized location which also suffers from the usual problems when you attempt to operate Long Dwell Luggage Heavy services (Aircoach),Inter Urban Bus Eireann Services and Normal City Services all from a location designed for rear entrance double decks of 40 years ago.

I can forsee considerable problems with outbound N11 QBC routes being physically blocked by the additional Lucan bound routes being stuck across the Outbound QBC at the Pembroke St Junction...unless,that is.....somebody has a Cunning Plan.?

cson

AlekSmart wrote: »

The Lower Leeson St Bus-Stop (786) is now a seriously over utilized location which also suffers from the usual problems when you attempt to operate Long Dwell Luggage Heavy services (Aircoach),Inter Urban Bus Eireann Services and Normal City Services all from a location designed for rear entrance double decks of 40 years ago.

Just on that point; anyone else think it's absolute madness to have Aircoach stopping and operating from the Westmoreland St stop when it contains 4 seperate DB stops covering ~20 routes. It's chaos there at 4-7 on weekdays.

n97 mini

If only they'd stop the 66 and 67, two of the longest bus routes, from running through Chapelizod etc and just use the N4. Why they opted to do this with the 25a instead, I don't know, as it's a much shorter route.

foggy_lad

n97 mini wrote: »

If only they'd stop the 66 and 67, two of the longest bus routes, from running through Chapelizod etc and just use the N4. Why they opted to do this with the 25a instead, I don't know, as it's a much shorter route.

The 66s and 67s should run direct out to Lucan.

SandyfordGuy

I agree it's crazy at Westmoreland Street right now and something does need to be done about the situation.

However, I can't quite remember back all those years, but when the Aircoach stop was put there, were there as many services stopping at the street?

LXFlyer

SandyfordGuy wrote: »

I agree it's crazy at Westmoreland Street right now and something does need to be done about the situation.

However, I can't quite remember back all those years, but when the Aircoach stop was put there, were there as many services stopping at the street?

Fewer routes serve that stop than before with the removal of the 14, 14a, 48a and 145, but it doesn't make the situation any better.

I suspect however that when the 79 and 27b merge there will be a further reorganisation of stops in the area and hopefully the 26, 66 and 67 will move around to Aston Quay thus freeing up a stop on Westmoreland Street.

Lucan123

At least they are willing to try and fix some of the problems with the new 25A/B

The current routing from Merrion Square took an age in the evenings, which was highlighted by the RTPI signs on Leeson St. You get to the bus stop and the 25B is in "1min" Great!, then it turns to "Due" even better! ... then the 46A which said it was in 10min has been and gone before the 25B actually appears. :mad:

(Although some busses did go the new route and thanks to the RTPI signs they were noticeably quicker ... but not for those waiting at stop 909 :rolleyes:)

Lets hope they look at the routings at the other end of the journey and don’t listen to certain politicians who have their own agenda for their "representations"

Siouxie

I live in Chapelizod and miss the frequency of the 25a/25b.

After waiting twenty minutes yesterday morning a packed bus passed by the stop, the next one that stopped was absolutely jammed.

The 66s and 67s are often full by the time they reach Chapelizod and there can be twenty or thirty people waiting at the stop on the Island.

This morning three buses arrived in a row and there was probably a 30 minute wait for the next one.