Vactomised bulls?

kealar

im thinking of buying one as im havin trouble spottin cows in the shed and the ould fella is gone during d day so a few questions...when the chin ball is put on him and he starts to mark the cow in question in d morning would she keep til the evening to ai and likewise if she marked in d evening would she keep till morning.this is our first year in suckling so im not well up in this area,were calving 18 cows so were thinking its border line on numbers for a stock bull..so a vectomised bull is the way we think,ive seen a few fresian bulls but they were very cross hoors,any one here useng such bull and to what effect,,thanks all:)

5live

kealar wrote: »

im thinking of buying one as im havin trouble spottin cows in the shed and the ould fella is gone during d day so a few questions...when the chin ball is put on him and he starts to mark the cow in question in d morning would she keep til the evening to ai and likewise if she marked in d evening would she keep till morning.this is our first year in suckling so im not well up in this area,were calving 18 cows so were thinking its border line on numbers for a stock bull..so a vectomised bull is the way we think,ive seen a few fresian bulls but they were very cross hoors,any one here useng such bull and to what effect,,thanks all:)

I have a friesian bull vasectomised with a few years. Great job. Any breed will do the job but a cross bred bull is probably the best. It was E65 or thereabouts when i did it but prob more now. Just be careful as, while the bull is firing blanks, HE IS STILL A BULL and should be treated with respect at all times

If a cow is on standing heat in the morning then AI her in the evening and if in heat in the evening then do her in the morning.

18 cows wouldnt be a lot of cows for one bull unless he is under 2 years old. A mature bull bull with no injuries should be well able to handle 30 cows

pakalasa

Kealar,

When do you plan to use? Is it now or next spring?
You could buy a weanling now and get him done. Remember to allow 6 weeks before you use him to allow him to flush out all sperm.
I wouldn't go paying big money for one, when you can get one done yourself cheaply. I've seen them advertised for big money on Donedeal.

Covered here before too..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055847987

JOAT

Just wondering. What kind of sheds will these animals be in? A bull with cows that are in heat will do a lot of chasing of the cow around the shed. This could lead to another cow getting hurt etc. as well when the bull jumps, if the cow slips on slippery concrete or whatever, you could end up with one of them having a broken leg. Just something to keep in mind. We have all cubicles and would never leave a male animal in with the cows, simply because of the risk of injury alone

fanadman1

kealar wrote: »

im thinking of buying one as im havin trouble spottin cows in the shed and the ould fella is gone during d day so a few questions...when the chin ball is put on him and he starts to mark the cow in question in d morning would she keep til the evening to ai and likewise if she marked in d evening would she keep till morning.this is our first year in suckling so im not well up in this area,were calving 18 cows so were thinking its border line on numbers for a stock bull..so a vectomised bull is the way we think,ive seen a few fresian bulls but they were very cross hoors,any one here useng such bull and to what effect,,thanks all:)

personaly id stay away from them at all costs !! i go to ballyhaise ag college they have one and he is a wicked b*****d worse than any bull ive ever seen !! personaly id have a stock bull yes he is more expensive on day one but u have no ai fees ur repeating cows are done for free and givein time he will have himself paid for and changein ur bull every 2-3 years ur not goin to lose a wile fortune on him depreasiation

pakalasa

fanadman1 wrote: »

personaly id stay away from them at all costs !! i go to ballyhaise ag college they have one and he is a wicked b*****d worse than any bull ive ever seen !! personaly id have a stock bull yes he is more expensive on day one but u have no ai fees ur repeating cows are done for free and givein time he will have himself paid for and changein ur bull every 2-3 years ur not goin to lose a wile fortune on him depreasiation

We keep saying this but, a teaser bull is no different from an ordinary bull except he's firing blanks. Being a teaser doesn't make him wicked.
Pick the poorest weanling you have and get him done. Ideally one with a bit of height and already showing signs of following cows. The weanling I did 2 yrs ago, was worth only about €600 when I did him. I sold him this year, while he was still under 30 months. He made €1400. He more than earned his keep.

I want to breed my own replacements and have BB weanlings aswell. How do I do this with one bull. With AI, I can pick easy calvers for young heifers, simm for red Lim cows and BB or Char for the rest.
Anyone that has had a teaser have been happy with the results.

flatout11

pakalasa wrote: »

We keep saying this but, a teaser bull is no different from an ordinary bull except he's firing blanks. Being a teaser doesn't make him wicked.
Pick the poorest weanling you have and get him done. Ideally one with a bit of height and already showing signs of following cows. The weanling I did 2 yrs ago, was worth only about €600 when I did him. I sold him this year, while he was still under 30 months. He made €1400..

he is right its not hard to get it done so why keep them on after a year or 2 at tops

joe man utd

Just did a vasectomy on a bull today.. a simple job for the vet. I'm just wondering where will I get a chinball marker to put on him and how much will it cost??

sh1tstirrer

joe man utd wrote: »

Just did a vasectomy on a bull today.. a simple job for the vet. I'm just wondering where will I get a chinball marker to put on him and how much will it cost??

Did the vet send the cord away for testing to make sure he cut the right cord?

whelan1

Dont you have to leave him a few weeks before he can work?

joe man utd

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

Did the vet send the cord away for testing to make sure he cut the right cord?

No the vet said nothing about testing the chord.. he was certain he had the job done right... I hope neway ]

joe man utd

whelan1 wrote: »

Dont you have to leave him a few weeks before he can work?

He said a week and he will be ok and to let him with a dry cow for a few days because he might have sperm left in his lines..

whelan1

joe man utd wrote: »

He said a week and he will be ok and to let him with a dry cow for a few days because he might have sperm left in his lines..

i thought it was alot longer than that

pakalasa

joe man utd wrote: »

Just did a vasectomy on a bull today.. a simple job for the vet. I'm just wondering where will I get a chinball marker to put on him and how much will it cost??

I got 2 from here over teh years. Half price of local COOP.
http://www.allivet.com/p-2372-kow-ball-marker.aspx

Mac Taylor

joe man utd wrote: »

Just did a vasectomy on a bull today.. a simple job for the vet. I'm just wondering where will I get a chinball marker to put on him and how much will it cost??

Joe, how much did the vet charge? Thanks

Blue Holland

pakalasa wrote: »

I got 2 from here over teh years. Half price of local COOP.
http://www.allivet.com/p-2372-kow-ball-marker.aspx

Did it take long to get it, got one from buyrite solutions (magenta direct) cost 175 euro, could do with another. Any diff in quality.

pakalasa

Blue Holland wrote: »

Did it take long to get it, got one from buyrite solutions (magenta direct) cost 175 euro, could do with another. Any diff in quality.

Can't remember to be honest. Maybe a week or so. I don't remember it as taking a long time to come. Quality seemed fine. they do take a fair lot of abuse, especially from older bulls, so expect to find it thrown in the field with a broken strap some day. Old levi belts and a bit of fishing line are handy to repair it.:D