Declaring car off road but stoped when no tax?

Gareth2011

Hi All,

We bought VW Polo off wifes niece in Sept of last year. Tax was out and we couldnt tax it as no log book yet she lost it and had to get replacement so we had no tax for few weeks. maybe the 1st or 2nd week in Oct we were stopped at checkpoint checking for (what da know) Tax. She says you know there is no Tax we explained the story witgh log book and she said ok but think she made a small call on her radio but couldnt hear what about. Then she waved us on. Im selling the car now it was off the road after that checkpoint and im filling out the form now.

Is it possible that if I try to say it was off the road from when we bought it (24sept) and stopped at checkpoint maybe 1st or 2nd week in Oct) it will show up it was stopped for no tax but was recorded as driving on this date? There was nothi8ng issued to me over it. Just wondering bout that call she made on radio. You follow me?

galwayjohn89

It was on the road so therefore no you cannot declare it off the road.

If you sell the car the new buyer is not responsible for back tax.

Gareth2011

Well heres the thing. I say the 1st or 2nd week in Oct but were not entirly sure. It could have been later than that, How can I fill out the form if im not sure of the dates? Also I understand New owner not liable for back tax but am I? and there is work to be done on it so dont think he will have it on road soon either so I just lwet him fill out the form and have it stamped by guards?

L-M

If you're selling it don't tax it, the new owner will only be responsible for the tax from the day they buy it.

If I've mis read and you're keeping the car, you have to tax it from the date they stopped you as it'll more than likely show up on their system if they do check. More often than not though the Gardai just sign it and say nothing.

Gareth2011

Limerick man wrote: »

If you're selling it don't tax it, the new owner will only be responsible for the tax from the day they buy it.

If I've mis read and you're keeping the car, you have to tax it from the date they stopped you as it'll more than likely show up on their system if they do check. More often than not though the Gardai just sign it and say nothing.

I am selling it alright. I know what your saying bout new owner being responsible for tax but what about my RF100A form? Will I just declare it off the road from lets say the 24 (bought date) to when I sell it and new owner can fill out his own form then?

Vertakill

As has been said, the tax does not get backdated for the next owner of the car.
So, unless you've told the owner that you'd supply tax with it, there'd be no reason to try mark it off the road and go through the mess of explaining yourself if you were caught out.

If you did sell the car on the premise it would have tax, just take whatever the cost of the tax is off the car and give the new owner the keys.

They won't have the tax, but they'd have the cost of the tax instead... so win/win.

Gareth2011

Ok get you. Thanks for the info

L-M

Vertakill wrote: »

As has been said, the tax does not get backdated for the next owner of the car.

It does, the new owner would only be responsible for the tax from the date they purchased it.

CiniO

Gareth2011 wrote: »

I am selling it alright. I know what your saying bout new owner being responsible for tax but what about my RF100A form? Will I just declare it off the road from lets say the 24 (bought date) to when I sell it and new owner can fill out his own form then?

Whay would you want to fill in RF100A form in the first place.
You have to fill it in, if you want to tax a car.

You want to sell a car, so all you need to fill in, is the last page on registration certificate. Fill it together with a new owner and post it to shannon. That's it.
No need for filling in RF100A for any reason.

Vertakill

Limerick man wrote: »

It does, the new owner would only be responsible for the tax from the date they purchased it.

Isn't that exactly what I wrote?

The new owner doesn't get done for the 'backtaxing' of the car (the time the car was not taxed for)...

L-M

Vertakill wrote: »

Isn't that exactly what I wrote?

The new owner doesn't get done for the 'backtaxing' of the car (the time the car was not taxed for)...

Sorry, when you said "It does not get back dated" I assumed that to mean that they they must pay the back tax.

Apologies, I'm a bit sleepy.

Vertakill

Limerick man wrote: »

Sorry, when you said "It does not get back dated" I assumed that to mean that they they must pay the back tax.

Apologies, I'm a bit sleepy.

Haha no worries, I was starting to second guess myself there!

slimjimmc

Gareth2011 wrote: »

Well heres the thing. I say the 1st or 2nd week in Oct but were not entirly sure. It could have been later than that, How can I fill out the form if im not sure of the dates? Also I understand New owner not liable for back tax but am I? and there is work to be done on it so dont think he will have it on road soon either so I just lwet him fill out the form and have it stamped by guards?

It doesn't matter what the dates are. The declaration you make (and witnessed by a Garda) is that you did not consent to using the car at any time between the first day of the month to the last day of the month.
If the car was driven or parked on a public road even once during the month of Oct then you can't truthfully declare the car off the road at any time during Oct.

Therefore you are liable for motor tax arrears for Oct.

If the tax was out when you bought the car you will also be liable for arrears for Sept if you drove it or parked it on a public road at any time in Sept after the purchase. If the tax expired at the end of Sept then you owe nothing for Sept.

mathepac

slimjimmc wrote: »

... Therefore you are liable for motor tax arrears for Oct...

Agreed. You used the car on the road so tax it. I'm tired of paying my way while deadbeats lie and opt out of their share.

colm_mcm

A months tax is what? €14?

L-M

mathepac wrote: »

Agreed. You used the car on the road so tax it. I'm tired of paying my way while deadbeats lie and opt out of their share.

The system is there to be taken advantage of. Those who don't pay risk getting caught, risk warrants reward and all that.

I don't dislike people for not paying it/skipping a month, I just dislike when they're waved on through checkpoints.

CiniO

mathepac wrote: »

Agreed. You used the car on the road so tax it. I'm tired of paying my way while deadbeats lie and opt out of their share.

He was already stopped by a Garda and didn't prosecuted or fined for no tax.
If Garda didn't bother enforcing him to pay tax, why would you?

If you are tired of paying your tax, and it annoys you that someone else isn't paying it, just stop paying it yourself.

R.O.R

CiniO wrote: »

mathepac wrote: »

Agreed. You used the car on the road so tax it. I'm tired of paying my way while deadbeats lie and opt out of their share.

He was already stopped by a Garda and didn't prosecuted or fined for no tax.
If Garda didn't bother enforcing him to pay tax, why would you?

If you are tired of paying your tax, and it annoys you that someone else isn't paying it, just stop paying it yourself.

Worked so well for Greece, didn't it?

How do I get a big rolleyes on the mobile, because that really deserves it.

Henry Ford III

CiniO wrote: »

He was already stopped by a Garda and didn't prosecuted or fined for no tax.
If Garda didn't bother enforcing him to pay tax, why would you?

If you are tired of paying your tax, and it annoys you that someone else isn't paying it, just stop paying it yourself.

An irresponsible attitude CiniO.

If someone gets stopped at a checkpoint with no tax, and then makes a declaration that the car wasn't driven during that period:

1/. It's pretty dim.

2/. It leaves them wide open should the cops ever collate the info.

3/. They fully deserve whatever sanction comes their way.

4/. It doesn't follow that it's somehow ok for everybody else to follow suit.

CiniO

Henry Ford III wrote: »

An irresponsible attitude CiniO.

If someone gets stopped at a checkpoint with no tax, and then makes a declaration that the car wasn't driven during that period:

1/. It's pretty dim.

2/. It leaves them wide open should the cops ever collate the info.

3/. They fully deserve whatever sanction comes their way.

4/. It doesn't follow that it's somehow ok for everybody else to follow suit.

I never said it was OK to declare car was off the road while it was actually used and stopped at the checkpoint.
That probably would be a serious offence (making false declaration) if discovered.

But OP actually doesn't need to make any declaration.
He was confused and thought that while selling a car he has to declare it, but in reality he doesn't.

-Chris-

R.O.R wrote: »

Worked so well for Greece, didn't it?

How do I get a big rolleyes on the mobile, because that really deserves it.

You'll have to type :rolleyes : . It's a bit of a pain, but sometimes it's worth it...