Fr. Richard Rohr - Cosmic Christ

Jesus Nut

I am reading Fr.Richard Rohrs book, "Breathing Under Water" which I find very interesting. I would be interested to read what views others have on his work. After watching this video about Cosmic Christ, I really think that Richard Rohr is a true spiritual master. I invite you to watch and share your views on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LYQQO5uFtA

mcmoustache

Interesting chap but he's definitely on the fringes of Catholicism. His acceptance of homosexuality and gay marriage, for example, won't sit too well with the more hard-core types of Christian.

Keylem

Fr. Rohr is a dissenter from the Faith and is not in good standing with the Catholic Church, and his drivel should be avoided at all costs!

Read on.....

Benny_Cake

Haven't read any of his stuff although he sounds like an interesting guy.

Keylem wrote: »

'father' Rohr is a dissenter from the Faith and is not in good standing with the Catholic Church, and his drivel should be avoided at all costs!

Read on.....

According to Mike Hayes from the Paulists:

"Fr. Richard Rohr is a Franciscan priest in good standing with his bishop, The Rev. Michael Sheehan, the Archbishop of Santa Fe. His work is hardly considered “new age” by anyone who has bothered to read it. His work especially in the area of male spirituality is quite vast and exceptional."

http://bustedhalo.com/questionbox/what-are-some-tips-to-help-strengthen-my-spirituality-during-my-volunteer-service-year-that-youd-recommend

Keylem

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Haven't read any of his stuff although he sounds like an interesting guy.



According to Mike Hayes from the Paulists:

"Fr. Richard Rohr is a Franciscan priest in good standing with his bishop, The Rev. Michael Sheehan, the Archbishop of Santa Fe. His work is hardly considered “new age” by anyone who has bothered to read it. His work especially in the area of male spirituality is quite vast and exceptional."

http://bustedhalo.com/questionbox/what-are-some-tips-to-help-strengthen-my-spirituality-during-my-volunteer-service-year-that-youd-recommend

Fr. Rohr is required to be in good standing with his Church, not his bishop!

And.......

Franciscan Fr. Richard Rohr, who was reprimanded by his archbishop, Michael J. Sheehan of Santa Fe, N.M., last year for blessing the marriage of a lesbian couple, will speak on "The Male Spiritual Journey."

http://www.recongress.org/reviews/usenet2-10-98.htm

Fr. Richard Rohr. At the March, 1997, pro-gay New Ways Ministry Symposium, he described his all-male retreats, in which men remove clothing and touch each other in “wounded areas,” as he calls them. Abp. Michael Sheehan of Santa Fe once reprimanded Fr. Rohr for presiding at a lesbian “wedding.” Also, Fr. Rohr advises Catholics to use the New Age/occult Enneagram.

http://catholic-caveman.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-are-heretics-polluting-catholic.html


And he continues to scanalise the faithful!

http://whereisfrhaley.blogspot.com/2010/08/fr-haleys-out-and-richard-rohr.html

Benny_Cake

Another Catholic poster in another thread had this to say recently:

"The Catholic Church is made up of a large collection of 'Particular Churches'. Each Church has a bishop as its head, and each bishop is essentially a pope in his own diocese. The Pope in Rome has universal jurisdiction but does not micromanage the Church. The buck stops with each bishop in each diocese."

So you'll forgive me for thinking it seems to be decentralised when it suits,and centralised when it doesn't. In any case,is there any evidence that he isn't in good standing with the Vatican? Some of the faithful seem to be very easy to scandalise...

Jesus Nut

I am impressed and inspired by his words.
I see the Catholic Church/The man Jesus as a Container and I see Christ as the actual contents.

I think we need a few Paddy versions of Fr.Richard Rohr in Ireland, mabey then, we would have a catholic community restored that actually makes sense of the life of the man Jesus and live by his teachings and have a better grasp of the Cosmic Christ and understanding the real connection between us and everything around us.

Fr.Richard Rohr gets a 10/10 from me

Keylem

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Another Catholic poster in another thread had this to say recently:

"The Catholic Church is made up of a large collection of 'Particular Churches'. Each Church has a bishop as its head, and each bishop is essentially a pope in his own diocese. The Pope in Rome has universal jurisdiction but does not micromanage the Church. The buck stops with each bishop in each diocese."

So you'll forgive me for thinking it seems to be decentralised when it suits,and centralised when it doesn't. In any case,is there any evidence that he isn't in good standing with the Vatican? Some of the faithful seem to be very easy to scandalise...

The Church has the ultimate Authority when it comes to Faith and Morals. The Bishop ensures that his dioscese and those under his authority conforms to the teaching of the Church, and the buck stops at him if he fails to do so!

Benny_Cake

Keylem wrote: »

The Church has the ultimate Authority when it comes to Faith and Morals. The Bishop ensures that his dioscese and those under his authority conforms to the teaching of the Church, and the buck stops at him if he fails to do so!

So is Fr.Rohr not a priest in good standing with the church? Because I haven't seen anything to suggest he isn't.

Onesimus

Jesus Nut wrote: »

I am impressed and inspired by his words.
I see the Catholic Church/The man Jesus as a Container and I see Christ as the actual contents.

I think we need a few Paddy versions of Fr.Richard Rohr in Ireland, mabey then, we would have a catholic community restored that actually makes sense of the life of the man Jesus and live by his teachings and have a better grasp of the Cosmic Christ and understanding the real connection between us and everything around us.

Fr.Richard Rohr gets a 10/10 from me

Most probably because he tells you what you WANT to hear.

Doc Farrell

Jesus Nut wrote: »

I am impressed and inspired by his words.
I see the Catholic Church/The man Jesus as a Container and I see Christ as the actual contents.

I think we need a few Paddy versions of Fr.Richard Rohr in Ireland, mabey then, we would have a catholic community restored that actually makes sense of the life of the man Jesus and live by his teachings and have a better grasp of the Cosmic Christ and understanding the real connection between us and everything around us.

Fr.Richard Rohr gets a 10/10 from me

As you unlikely to burnt at the stake Mr. Nut I suggest you shout your views from the rooftops. You are likely to be shouted back at by critics of all shades on this forum but as this is a Christian forum and not just a Catholic one you go right ahead and get stuck in.
Providing there is kindness in your heart I say shout yourself hoarse!

Benny_Cake

Onesimus wrote: »

Most probably because he tells you what you WANT to hear.

Not much of an argument really - you could say that any time anyone reads a book that they enjoy. What about all the people in here linking to Catholic Culture or to Michael Voris videos,are they being told what they want to hear?

Onesimus

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Not much of an argument really - you could say that any time anyone reads a book that they enjoy. What about all the people in here linking to Catholic Culture or to Michael Voris videos,are they being told what they want to hear?

Ok Sherlock. Lets ask Jesus nut. Jesus Nut...may I kindly ask you if you accept the churches teaching against homosexuality, same sex marriage and contraception?

Benny_Cake

Onesimus wrote: »

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Not much of an argument really - you could say that any time anyone reads a book that they enjoy. What about all the people in here linking to Catholic Culture or to Michael Voris videos,are they being told what they want to hear?

Ok Sherlock. Lets ask Jesus nut. Jesus Nut...may I kindly ask you if you accept the churches teaching against homosexuality, same sex marriage and contraception?

I'm not being a smartass here,honestly,I just think it's a little condescending to suggest that someone only liked a book because it "told the what they wanted to hear".Any adult is capable of reading something and making up their own mind about it.

Onesimus

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I'm not being a smartass here,honestly,I just think it's a little condescending to suggest that someone only liked a book because it "told the what they wanted to hear".Any adult is capable of reading something and making up their own mind about it.

Catholics are called to imitate and have the mind of Christ. Making up ones own mind about it, is an attribute that belongs to the world.

If Jesus Nut is going to be truthful with us he will tell us what his thoughts are on whether or not he accepts the Churches teaching on same sex marriage, contraception and homosexuality etc etc.

I'll be interested to hear his response. Each bishops responsability in their diocese is to uphold the official teaching of the Church and guide the faithful in that. No bishop has authority to contradict Mother Churches teaching.

There are probably elements of Fr.Rohrs teaching thats in compliance with Church teaching, but where the chaff overwhelms the wheat? this is what seperates him from acting as a true priest and shepherd of Christs flock.

Doc Farrell

What is this? The guy doesn't have to answer to you! Did you even watch the video. The Fransican was being interviewed by a Monsignor of the Catholic church!
Presumably you are a member of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church but no one is demanding your views on celibacy in the priesthood! Take a chill pill.

Jesus Nut

Onesimus wrote: »

If Jesus Nut is going to be truthful with us he will tell us what his thoughts are on whether or not he accepts the Churches teaching on same sex marriage, contraception and homosexuality etc etc.

I'll be interested to hear his response. Each bishops responsability in their

Look, I have a very lay mans view on religion like most other 20 something year olds in this country. No Irish priest could interest me as much as Rohr has in the Catholic faith that was forced upon me when I was born.
I was brought up with a mind almost like these kids in this raw video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lts2RScbndA

You can connect and make more sense of what rohr explains rather than a normal irish 30 min mass where everyone just parrots each other and the old tap tap tap blessing etc.

Like, what he says makes sense..
I always thought Hell was a place with a devil and getting red hot pokers up your a*se for all enternity but as roht explains it, Hell is just human addiction and I believe that is what Jesus meant.

Again, the church is just the container (a rusty one at that), I am only interested in the contents of that container, the cosmic christ.

btw, there is nothing wrong with been gay or condoms etc.

Onesimus

Jesus Nut wrote: »

Look, I have a very lay mans view on religion like most other 20 something year olds in this country. No Irish priest could interest me as much as Rohr has in the Catholic faith that was forced upon me when I was born.
I was brought up with a mind almost like these kids in this raw video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lts2RScbndA

You can connect and make more sense of what rohr explains rather than a normal irish 30 min mass where everyone just parrots each other and the old tap tap tap blessing etc.

Like, what he says makes sense..
I always thought Hell was a place with a devil and getting red hot pokers up your a*se for all enternity but as roht explains it, Hell is just human addiction and I believe that is what Jesus meant.

Again, the church is just the container (a rusty one at that), I am only interested in the contents of that container, the cosmic christ.

btw, there is nothing wrong with been gay or condoms etc.

I rest my case. I definitely dont think I'm better than you Jesus Nut. I think it's great you have an interest in the faith. But I invite you to read your catechism and study more trusted sources of the faith.

Onesimus

Onesimus

Doc Farrell wrote: »

What is this? The guy doesn't have to answer to you! Did you even watch the video. The Fransican was being interviewed by a Monsignor of the Catholic church!
Presumably you are a member of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church but no one is demanding your views on celibacy in the priesthood! Take a chill pill.

Celibacy is a disciplinary practice of the Church and not a mandatory dogma that must be accepted. No authentic greek Catholic will ever impose this disciplinary tradition of theirs upon Rome but encourage both rites to stick to their traditions.

No he doesnt have to answer to me at all by the way. But like I said, he likes Fr.rohr because he tells him what he wants to hear in accordance with the teaching he received about sex, love and marriage from the world.

He has posted this up, Keylem responded and informed him kindly that this man is a total dissenter within the Church, Benny Cake disagreed with me, so I kindly invited jesus nut to answer a simple questions of mine. He answered and proved me to be correct. Case closed.

lmaopml

Jesus Nut wrote: »

I am reading Fr.Richard Rohrs book, "Breathing Under Water" which I find very interesting. I would be interested to read what views others have on his work. After watching this video about Cosmic Christ, I really think that Richard Rohr is a true spiritual master. I invite you to watch and share your views on the topic.

I've listened to the Priest, and he sounds like he is very influenced by new age mysticism - only more in a Deepak Chopra kind of way, with a dash of 'The Secret', the 'Universe' answers your questions etc. and what you put out you receive back from the 'Universe Containing Christ and his revelation' all mixed in with some Christianity. Hmm..

In my opinion, he's confused....and undermining some great thinkers who have gone before.

He says that Catholics and Protestants don't really concentrate on the 'Christ' but moreso on 'Jesus' - Wrong! Christianity gave us the Creed that explaines the triune nature of God. So, no most people do know that Jesus surname wasn't 'Christ', that the names are representative of his nature.

He also says that Christianity ( except for the mystics ) never really understood that Christ reveals himself in creation and 'in' everything that is in the universe and it's glory it's beauty - Wrong! It's a fundamental notion.

He needs to catch up...read the psalms....this is age old, and he's not the first to learn about how beauty and wonder are God's footprints..in ALL things..

The only newish with a slant/kinda old thing now - is that he uses the 'Universe' as a metaphor for containing creation - but in doing so, he is not actually explaining anything....

Op, I can see the attraction to this man, who says things in an easier way than some but assumes far too much - sincerely, have a peek at the 'book recommendations' thread and also see the Veritas forum etc. for something to get your teeth into..If you like and want to hear or read great books or debates.

This guy is 'convincing' but imo the drum roll his interviewer introduced him with as a 'humble' guy was way off course. This guy is anything but...he is speaking from the mouth out.

Benny_Cake

Onesimus wrote: »

Celibacy is a disciplinary practice of the Church and not a mandatory dogma that must be accepted. No authentic greek Catholic will ever impose this disciplinary tradition of theirs upon Rome but encourage both rites to stick to their traditions.

No he doesnt have to answer to me at all by the way. But like I said, he likes Fr.rohr because he tells him what he wants to hear in accordance with the teaching he received about sex, love and marriage from the world.

He has posted this up, Keylem responded and informed him kindly that this man is a total dissenter within the Church, Benny Cake disagreed with me, so I kindly invited jesus nut to answer a simple questions of mine. He answered and proved me to be correct. Case closed.

You misrepresent me there.I don't know whether Rohr is a "dissenter" or not as I haven't studied his work.It isn't a particularly big deal for me if he is or not,but I understand it is for you.The point I was making was that you can't just assume "He's telling you what you want to hear - case closed".People can disagree in good faith.

Benny_Cake

Onesimus wrote: »

Celibacy is a disciplinary practice of the Church and not a mandatory dogma that must be accepted. No authentic greek Catholic will ever impose this disciplinary tradition of theirs upon Rome but encourage both rites to stick to their traditions.

No he doesnt have to answer to me at all by the way. But like I said, he likes Fr.rohr because he tells him what he wants to hear in accordance with the teaching he received about sex, love and marriage from the world.

He has posted this up, Keylem responded and informed him kindly that this man is a total dissenter within the Church, Benny Cake disagreed with me, so I kindly invited jesus nut to answer a simple questions of mine. He answered and proved me to be correct. Case closed.

You misrepresent me there.I don't know whether Rohr is a "dissenter" or not as I haven't studied his work.It isn't a particularly big deal for me if he is or not,but I understand it is for you.The point I was making was that you can't just assume "He's telling you what you want to hear - case closed".People can disagree in good faith.

Peregrinus

Benny_Cake wrote: »

You misrepresent me there.I don't know whether Rohr is a "dissenter" or not as I haven't studied his work . . .

The suggesting that Fr. Rohr is a dissenter originated with Keylem in post #3. As authority, he linked us to a magazine article by a Paul Likoudis from a publication called “the Wanderer”. While it’s evident that the author of that Article disagrees strongly with Rohr, he does start out by saying that Rohr is one of “the US bishops’ most highly regarded catechetical and renewal experts”.

Catholic teaching is what the bishops teach. And if Rohr is highly regarded by the bishops, while Keylem is critical of his views, I think we have to consider the possibility that it may be Keylem, rather than Rohr, who is further from the main stream of Catholic teaching and practice.

And I confess this suspicion is confirmed when, in post #5, Keylem distinguishes between Fr Rohr’s standing with his bishop, and his standing with the church. This is not really a Catholic perspective; in Catholic ecclesiology, your primary communion with the universal church is through your bishop. If Fr Rohr is in good standing with his bishop, and with the US bishops in general, as certainly seems to be the case, then the fact that his views do not find favour with Keylem, or with the publishers of the Wanderer magazine, whoever they are, seem to me to be matters of comparatively minor moment.

I myself have no views about Fr Rohr’s opinions, not having watched the YouTube video, and not having read anything his has written. But I think those who object to his views would do better to engage with the substance of his views, rather than try to damn him by ill-founded accusations of this kind which, I’m afraid, reflect rather more on those advancing them than they do on Fr. Rohr.

Keylem

Catholic teaching is what the bishops teach. And if Rohr is highly regarded by the bishops, while Keylem is critical of his views, I think we have to consider the possibility that it may be Keylem, rather than Rohr, who is further from the main stream of Catholic teaching and practice.

It is not me that is critical of his views, the teaching ot the Magisterium of the CC is, which is what I and ALL Catholics should adhere to.

And I confess this suspicion is confirmed when, in post #5, Keylem distinguishes between Fr Rohr’s standing with his bishop, and his standing with the church. This is not really a Catholic perspective; in Catholic ecclesiology, your primary communion with the universal church is through your bishop.

And said Bishops must also adhere to the Magisterium of the CC


A Modern Dissenter's Theology of Sexuality:


Fr. Sparks joined other dissenters such as Sr. Barbara Fiand, SSND; Sr. Fran Ferder; Fr. Thomas Sweetser, S.J.; Fr. Richard Rohr; Fr. Patrick Brennan; Dr. Dolores Hayes; Dolores Curran, and many others engaged in more than 200 talks and workshops, many of which involved an assault on the Church's traditional beliefs and practices. Those in attendance were subjected to a veritable barrage of Modernist psycho-babble and newspeak.


http://credo.stormloader.com/Morals/sparks.htm


Two bishops different 'views'. They can't both be working within the Magisterium of the CC.

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=19205

I myself have no views about Fr Rohr’s opinions, not having watched the YouTube video, and not having read anything his has written. But I think those who object to his views would do better to engage with the substance of his views, rather than try to damn him by ill-founded accusations of this kind which, I’m afraid, reflect rather more on those advancing them than they do on Fr. Rohr.

You haven't seen the video or read any of Fr Rohr's articles, yet you are able to call me into account???

Could you point out where the accusations are ill-founded? The CC is clear on it's teachings of sexuality!! Anyone advocating the opposite is a dissenter!!

There are other posts in agreement with mine, in case you overlooked them! :rolleyes:

Keylem

And a reply to a Q & A, from a Bro.

"father" Rohr is a dissenter from the Faith and one disgusting person. He supports the dissenting organization Call to Action, and his stance on homosexuality and the Enneagram contradicts Roman Catholic teaching.
He speaks in a way that shows his disdain for the Catholic Church making fun of anything distinctly Catholic. This is a man who thinks his opinions outrank the Holy See and who wishes to re-invent the Church in his own image, or get rid of the Church altogether.
There is patently no excuse for any Catholic organization, any Catholic bishop, or any Catholic priest to allow this man to speak at their events. Those that do, and this includes Cardinal Mahoney, should be ashamed of themselves allowing the Faithful to be contaminated by this man's anti-Catholic dribble and will be held to account before God for their shameful behavior and teaching.
For good insight into the nature of these non-catholic Catholics read the article at Catholic Culture website, Top Amchurch Catechists Subvert Church’s Doctrine and Discipline.
Any Catholic should avoid this man.
God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

http://saint-mike.org/qa/sw/viewanswer.asp?QID=465

Benny_Cake

Keylem wrote: »

And a reply to a Q & A, from a Bro.

"father" Rohr is a dissenter from the Faith and one disgusting person. He supports the dissenting organization Call. Wto Action, and his stance on homosexuality and the Enneagram contradicts Roman Catholic teaching.
He speaks in a way that shows his disdain for the Catholic Church making fun of anything distinctly Catholic. This is a man who thinks his opinions outrank the Holy See and who wishes to re-invent the Church in his own image, or get rid of the Church altogether.
There is patently no excuse for any Catholic organization, any Catholic bishop, or any Catholic priest to allow this man to speak at their events. Those that do, and this includes Cardinal Mahoney, should be ashamed of themselves allowing the Faithful to be contaminated by this man's anti-Catholic dribble and will be held to account before God for their shameful behavior and teaching.
For good insight into the nature of these non-catholic Catholics read the article at Catholic Culture website, Top Amchurch Catechists Subvert Church’s Doctrine and Discipline.
Any Catholic should avoid this man.
God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

http://saint-mike.org/qa/sw/viewanswer.asp?QID=465

It would deem strange that a man who is "anti-Catholic" and might want to destroy the church would write an article entitled "8 good reasons to be Catholic":

http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0888.asp

The tone of the letter above smacks of Stalinism to be quite frank.

Onesimus

Benny_Cake wrote: »

You misrepresent me there.I don't know whether Rohr is a "dissenter" or not as I haven't studied his work.It isn't a particularly big deal for me if he is or not,but I understand it is for you.The point I was making was that you can't just assume "He's telling you what you want to hear - case closed".People can disagree in good faith.

No person can ''disagree with Dogma in good faith''. People can however disagree in expression of theology like the Eastern Churches do with the latin.

my assumptions were proven correct as to why he likes Fr.Rohr.

Onesimus

Benny_Cake wrote: »

It would deem strange that a man who is "anti-Catholic" and might want to destroy the church would write an article entitled "8 good reasons to be Catholic":

http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0888.asp

The tone of the letter above smacks of Stalinism to be quite frank.

Dr.Peter Kreeft already wrote a book on 7 reasons to be a good Catholic. Fr.Rohrs book on 8 reasons to be a good Catholic is written with his own dissenting view on what it takes to be a good Catholic.

Baggio1

what people to fail to understand is that in USA theres already a schism between the catholic bishops loyal to Rome and Pope Benedict, and the ones trying to set up a "new modern" style catholic church with no loyalty to Rome etc, its very much a "dont mention the war" situation,,, but its very much there and this guy is just another example of it to be honest, so now its a matter of which side are people on......

Keylem

Baggio1 wrote: »

what people to fail to understand is that in USA theres already a schism between the catholic bishops loyal to Rome and Pope Benedict, and the ones trying to set up a "new modern" style catholic church with no loyalty to Rome etc, its very much a "dont mention the war" situation,,, but its very much there and this guy is just another example of it to be honest, so now its a matter of which side are people on......

I totally agree Baggio, well said!!!

tommy2bad

Making up ones own mind about it, is an attribute that belongs to the world.

This is only worth shoveling on the roses.

No person can ''disagree with Dogma in good faith''.

Where has he disagreed with dogma?
Heres the list of dogmas if you need to check.
http://jloughnan.tripod.com/dogma.htm

lmaopml

pml..from the Universe to the simple cell - Nothing wrong with some mystic awe imo, so long as it's from a Christian perspective if you are Christian. I don't know the father, I just think there are better talks out there...

I post this once in a while for posterity; think it's pretty cool....

with a cool soundtrack too

Hope this works, I'm trying to embed a youtube clip, here goes......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mszlckmc4Hw

Meh...it didn't work. Have to master that? How do you do it?

Keylem

lmaopml wrote: »

Meh...it didn't work. Have to master that? How do you do it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mszlckmc4Hw

Select the youtube tags and just copy the end of the youtube url (the bolden bit)


youtube.com/watch?v=Mszlckmc4Hw

Doc Farrell

http://www.saint-mike.org/detractors/?cat=32

This bro is such an authority on the church that even his own bishop hasn't met him. I ask you all again to consider speaking with moderation and quoting only from reputable sources.

To be honest I don't have the interest in checking every source to see if they are engaged in a one man medieval campaign of spiritual warfare with Satan.

So much for the fruit of the holy spirit. There's got to be a forum of average struggling Christians somewhere on the Internet....

lmaopml

Doc Farrell wrote: »

http://www.saint-mike.org/detractors/?cat=32

This bro is such an authority on the church that even his own bishop hasn't met him. I ask you all again to consider speaking with moderation and quoting only from reputable sources.

To be honest I don't have the interest in checking every source to see if they are engaged in a one man medieval campaign of spiritual warfare with Satan.

So much for the fruit of the holy spirit. There's got to be a forum of average struggling Christians somewhere on the Internet....

Yup! It's right here....but the struggles take some getting used to....such diversity - you've got to love it.

It's all good..

Propellerhead

Benny_Cake wrote: »

So is Fr.Rohr not a priest in good standing with the church? Because I haven't seen anything to suggest he isn't.

Being a Priest in good standing is a technical term meaning that their canonical mission as a Catholic Priest has not been rescinded. Fr. Hans Kung remains a Priest in good standing.

Being in good standing with the massed ranks of reactionary Catholics of the blogosphere is another matter entirely though :rolleyes:

Onesimus

tommy2bad wrote: »

This is only worth shoveling on the roses.

Where has he disagreed with dogma?
Heres the list of dogmas if you need to check.
http://jloughnan.tripod.com/dogma.htm

Giving a summary of Dogmas does not stop there. There is also the infallible interpretation and explanation of those dogmas ( and dont forget moral discipline too ) . Of which Fr.Rohr has his own interpretation which goes against that of Christ and his Church.

tommy2bad

Fr.Rohr was condemned by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for not teaching in accord with the Catholic Church's moral teachings regarding homosexuality
Not for disagreeing with dogma as asserted, stop moving the goal posts.

Onesimus

tommy2bad wrote: »

Fr.Rohr was condemned by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for not teaching in accord with the Catholic Church's moral teachings regarding homosexuality
Not for disagreeing with dogma as asserted, stop moving the goal posts.

Noone is moving the goal posts at all. Marriage between man and woman is a dogma of the Church. Marriage between Adam and Adam isnt.

He disagrees with both Dogmatic and Moral teachings of the Church.

tommy2bad

Noone is moving the goal posts at all. Marriage between man and woman is a dogma of the Church. Marriage between Adam and Adam isnt.

Marriage was not instituted by Man, but by God. (Sent. certa.) D 2225.
Marriage is a true and proper Sacrament instituted by God. (De fide.)
The primary purpose of Marriage is the generation and bringing-up of offspring. The secondary purpose is mutual help and the morally regulated satisfaction of the sex urge. (Sent. certa.) CIC 1013, Par. 1.
The essential properties of Marriage are unity (monogamy) and indissolubility. (Sent. certa.) CIC 1013, Par. 2.
Every valid contract of Marriage between Christians is of itself a sacrament. (Sent. certa.)
From the sacramental contract of marriage emerges the Bond of Marriage, which binds both marriage partners to a lifelong indivisible community of life. (De fide.)
The Sacrament of Matrimony bestows Sanctifying Grace on the contracting parties. (De fide.)
The contracting parties in Matrimony minister the Sacrament each to the other. (Sent. certa.)
The Church possesses the sole and exclusive right to make laws and administer justice in the matrimonial affairs of baptised persons, in so far as these affect the Sacrament. (Sent. certa.) Cf. CIC 1016, 1960.

Wrong again.

Onesimus

tommy2bad wrote: »

Wrong again.

Thats just a summary of the Dogma your qouting Tommy.