Advice on selling laptop

Dave147

Hi all, I purchased a HP Elitebook 8440p i7 620M 2.67GHz off Laptopsdirect back in February this year, laptop has been great for most of my needs, it's lightning fast especially with the 120gb SSD I fitted to it, however I'm thinking about selling my desktop and buying a new laptop for all my gaming needs and work needs. I'd just like to know what kind of price I should advertise this laptop for. It's in perfect condition, and comes with charger and sleeve. I don't have any box or anything as I don't have room, sure I have the recovery CD's lying around at home somewhere.

I would like a gaming machine that could handle BF3 at high settings with a high resolution screen and a half decent battery life. Not huge into laptops so don't really know what options are out there. I am registered for VAT so buying from UK would probably be the best option as it will be used for work also.

Thanks in advance.

Jaafa

What are the specs on it?

Dave147

Core i7 M620 @ 2.67GHz 4GB RAM, 120gb SSD, also have original 300gb hdd. Windows 7 Professional 64bit. 14" TFT 1600x900 HD Display.

Jaafa

Dave147 wrote: »

Core i7 M620 @ 2.67GHz 4GB RAM, 120gb SSD, also have original 300gb hdd. Windows 7 Professional 64bit. 14" TFT 1600x900 HD Display.

Graphics card?

sqwarez

Best is Quadro NVS 3100m or maybe FX 380m, but its probably integrated.

Dave147

Nvidia NVS 3100M don't really have much info on the card. Pretty sure it's onboard, runs Counterstrike well, struggles with Call of Duty games though.

Dave147

If the graphics were upgradeable then I would be happy to keep the machine, but something of this size wouldn't have a seperate card, it's a great machine, but I want a gaming machine/work laptop in one now.

Jaafa

I see. Well I think you could maybe get about 400/450 tops. If the right person came along.

Dave147

400/450? Are you mad?

Jaafa

Dave147 wrote: »

400/450? Are you mad?

What? How much did you pay for it?

EDIT: Woops didn't see the SSD part. You could probably bump up the price to 550.

Dave147

Laptop cost me a grand, the SSD was another 200. Did you see that she's an i7 processor? I got it VAT free also so could've been even more. Hardly worth my while selling for 500. Was thinking along the lines of 700-750. It's not very old and in perfect condition.

Jaafa

Dave147 wrote: »

Laptop cost me a grand, the SSD was another 200. Did you see that she's an i7 processor? I got it VAT free also so could've been even more. Hardly worth my while selling for 500. Was thinking along the lines of 700-750. It's not very old and in perfect condition.

I appreciate that but you to understand PC's and laptops depreciate in value A LOT in a short space of time.

I'm not saying you couldn't get 700+ (Thinking of it now worse laptops have gone for that on adverts) but don't try sell this to anyone that know much about computers. 1st generation CPU (Granted i7) and useless graphics card for any game in the last 2/3 years.

I can buy a much better spec laptop for the same price new.
For example: http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_02PC/02_NOTEBOO/21_15/productdetails/80003299/Asus_15_6_K53SV_SX152V_i5_2410M_4GB_640GB/K53SV_SX152V/default.aspx

Much better spec,and once I stick in a SDD it comes to about 800 euro. So its nothing personal man, just the facts.

Dave147

This isn't a gaming laptop, this is an extremely fast laptop for all other things, playing Football Manager for example is a breeze, using Photoshop is extremely fast. It's still a lot of laptop for €700. Seeing as to buy it new in February would've been €1200 + €200 for the SSD. I didn't pay VAT as I am VAT registered. I know it's nothing personal, but I question that this laptop is worth less than €500.

That laptop you showed me has ****e resolution, an i5 processor and Windows Home.

FSL

If you are VAT registered then when you sell it the amount you get for it includes VAT which the revenue will want from you.

So if you got 700 for it the revenue would want 124.

Jaafa

Dave147 wrote: »

This isn't a gaming laptop, this is an extremely fast laptop for all other things, playing Football Manager for example is a breeze, using Photoshop is extremely fast. It's still a lot of laptop for €700. Seeing as to buy it new in February would've been €1200 + €200 for the SSD. I didn't pay VAT as I am VAT registered. I know it's nothing personal, but I question that this laptop is worth less than €500.

That laptop you showed me has ****e resolution, an i5 processor and Windows Home.

I didnt say less than 500. After I saw you had a SSD I said 550.

Look no offensive but you don't seem to know much about PC hardware.

The CPU in the laptop I posted is FASTER than yours. It may be i5, but its second generation i5. Yours is first generation i7.

The GPU in my one is MUCH FASTER. And once a SSD is put in, the laptop will be faster than yours.

The resolution, yes its better in your's and on a smaller screen which is better again(higher pixel density) but fact is most people won't be able to see the difference. And even if they can its not worth the hit you'd take in the two other departments I mentioned.
Look up some comparisons, between the hardware in both, I'm not lying.

I bought a laptop a little time before you say you bought yours. Cost me 600 euro at the time. Now If I got 300 I'd be getting a fair price. We're in the same boat here.

This is isn't me trying to be a D!ck, these are the facts.

Dave147

Lol, good luck to Revenue getting money from me for a laptop I sell second hand.

sqwarez

No man, you're right, you can get more for it. Definitely not worth less than 600 euro.

Jaafa wrote: »

I can buy a much better spec laptop for the same price new.
For example: http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_02PC/02_NOTEBOO/21_15/productdetails/80003299/Asus_15_6_K53SV_SX152V_i5_2410M_4GB_640GB/K53SV_SX152V/default.aspx

Much better spec,and once I stick in a SDD it comes to about 800 euro. So its nothing personal man, just the facts.

Sure, go right ahead. But first of all, the CPU is not better. The i7-620m has a base frequency of 2.66ghz and turbo to 3.3ghz. The i5-2410 is 2.3-2.9, it can't touch that CPU and neither can the CPU in most 600 euro notebooks. And, the other thing is... thats made out of plastic. Build quality speaking, its a piece of junk compared to an Elitebook :rolleyes:

See, they happen to be made of magnesium alloy and meet military grade standards for shock and stress testing.

Seriously... its a business class notebook. It basically holds value the way a Mac does. Do some research on these before you compare the basic specs, business machines are built specifically for extreme reliability and are just way better than consumer laptops regardless of the specs, which are usually better anyway.

Its also a portable 14" laptop with a dedicated graphics card, which really adds to the value.

To give you an idea, "probook" Is HPs low end business series. Look at the new probooks:
http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/HP_ProBook_4530s_1088358.html

And what do you have to pay to get a new Elitebook right now? Let see:
http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/HP_EliteBook_8460p_1087500.html

This is the equivalent 14" model.

This is basically the 12" version of the 8440p (same 1st gen chipset):
http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/HP_EliteBook_2540p_954390.html

There is a reason these cost so much, they are very high grade business laptops. I'd say he could get more than 700 for it.

Dave147

Thanks sqwarez, knew I wasn't insane thinking the laptop was worth more than €600. Not everyone buys a laptop for gaming, I didn't at the time, but I'm getting fed up of my desktop PC and instead of having to buy a new GFX card (My GTX 280 just won't cut it anymore) I can sell that machine for a few quid, sell this laptop and get a nice gaming laptop.

Jaafa

The CPU is better look at any benchmarks out there instead of just comparing Ghz.

Look mate heres an ad on adverts.ie for a laptop with basically the same specs as yours minus the SSD. Latest offers are around 400. Keep an eye on it untill it sell and you'll have a good idea then what the market is like here, by all means I could be wrong in what people are willing to pay.

http://www.adverts.ie/laptops/dell-laptop-e6410-core-i7/663023

Dave147

I don't think you can really take those offers serious. There's always retards on adverts offering ridiculous amounts, don't understand why they do it.

sqwarez

Do people buying laptop really look at synthetic benchmarks?

Jaafa wrote: »

I didnt say less than 500. After I saw you had a SSD I said 550.

Look no offensive but you don't seem to know much about PC hardware.

The CPU in the laptop I posted is FASTER than yours. It may be i5, but its second generation i5. Yours is first generation i7.

;....People who "know about computer hardware" will still think the i7 is better... maybe because it is, in anything other than synthetic benchmarks.

The GPU in my one is MUCH FASTER. And once a SSD is put in, the laptop will be faster than yours.

The resolution, yes its better in your's and on a smaller screen which is better again(higher pixel density) but fact is most people won't be able to see the difference. And even if they can its not worth the hit you'd take in the two other departments I mentioned.

...unless the machine is loaded with bloatware, which is extremely likely, and unless your a programmer who actually values vertical space a lot.

The fact is no gamer or "dude who needs a laptop" is going to buy an Elitebook anyway.

Jaafa

sqwarez wrote: »

Do people buying laptop really look at synthetic benchmarks?


Like I said, you're flat out wrong here. 2.66-3.3ghz beats 2.2-2.9, do your research :rolleyes:

...unless the machine is loaded with bloatware, which is extremely likely, and unless your a programmer who actually values vertical space a lot.

The fact is no gamer or "dude who needs a laptop" is going to buy an Elitebook anyway.

Wow, so If a get myself a Pentium processor that runs at 3Ghz its automatically beats either of these processors? Seriously you need to do your research, again look up any benchmarks, any at all and they'll all tell you that the the i5 is equal to or greater than the i7 in this case

Bloatware is easily removed.

The last point is arguable but probably true.

EDIT: I see you've quickly edited your argument. 'anything other than synthetic benchmarks'? How else can you measure processor speed? With a stopwatch? By it having a higher number in its name than other processors?

Dave147

I'm a bit out of touch with contemporary hardware components, I built my first PC when I was 16, that was in 2001. AMD Athlon processor with a few gig RAM and some crappy ATI gfx, it ran CS 1.3 very well though :P I built my next machine about 2 years ago, AMD Phenom XII 3.2GHz Quad Core or something with a GTX 280, so I'm a small bit behind the times. I could probably re learn what I knew back then in a couple of weeks though.

Edit: *grabs popcorn* :P

Jaafa

Dave147 wrote: »

I'm a bit out of touch with contemporary hardware components, I built my first PC when I was 16, that was in 2001. AMD Athlon processor with a few gig RAM and some crappy ATI gfx, it ran CS 1.3 very well though :P I built my next machine about 2 years ago, AMD Phenom XII 3.2GHz Quad Core or something with a GTX 280, so I'm a small bit behind the times. I could probably re learn what I knew back then in a couple of weeks though.

Edit: *grabs popcorn* :P

Yeah it doesn't take long at all to get back into it.

Don't bother this won't take long.

sqwarez

I edited because my network went down as I hit send and I didn't see your other reply honestly

I'll tell you how to measure instead of benchmarks. Its very simple. These architectures are similar, yes we all know what happened with pentium 4. You can learn about how things work and read the manufacturers specification.

The fact is, when 2 cores/threads are being utilized the 620m will be faster because the max turbo for 2 cores of the 2410m is only 2.6ghz, while the 620m will be all the way up at 3.3ghz. It doesn't matter at this point that sandy bridge is faster per ghz, its too much of a difference.

But anyway, lets have it your way. Try wprime 2.0 or pcmark vantage, you'll see the 620m wins by about 15%.

Not that I know why. All I'm saying is, once you get over all the BS of what seems better based on intels branding, youo get over all the BS about what benchmarks mean, and realize that a lot of the branding just makes sense, i7s are usually better, etc. and then its great because you can have the same view as a regular consumer who thinks they're informed.

And anyway, my last point isn't arguable, its totally subjective to whether Dave is going to decide on a firm price or give up and end up selling it for 550.

I'm willing to say you might be right about the overall performance of the 2 CPUs, although that also is subjective to what the user needs.

Metaphorically its the same with the value especially when you take into account convenience and people buying in a time constraint. You obviously haven't done a lot of research on the way different classes of laptops are produced and marketed, I bet you'd say a panasonic toughbook with a 1st gen i5 isn't worth near 1000

FSL

Dave147 wrote: »

Lol, good luck to Revenue getting money from me for a laptop I sell second hand.

It's irrelevant whether it's second hand or new you effectively had the input VAT refunded so there is VAT payable on the sale. Just hope you don't get a VAT audit.

Dave147

FSL wrote: »

It's irrelevant whether it's second hand or new you effectively had the input VAT refunded so there is VAT payable on the sale. Just hope you don't get a VAT audit.

I couldn't care less to be honest. I bought it from the UK so I don't really owe the revenue anything, had I paid the VAT the Revenue wouldn't have got anything anyway, seeing as it wasn't purchased in the country. I can tell you one thing for certain, when I do sell the laptop there is 0 chance that I will be sending a cheque to revenue.

Fair play to you, you obviously would.

FSL

Dave147 wrote: »

I couldn't care less to be honest. I bought it from the UK so I don't really owe the revenue anything, had I paid the VAT the Revenue wouldn't have got anything anyway, seeing as it wasn't purchased in the country. I can tell you one thing for certain, when I do sell the laptop there is 0 chance that I will be sending a cheque to revenue.

Fair play to you, you obviously would.

I wasn't trying to lecture you or moralise just a friendly reminder of the regulations which you seemed to be unclear about.