Motortax, am I the only one thinking about an injustice?

sushmita

Hi.
I recently imported my car to Ireland, to find a 'nice' surprise. When it was time to pay the motortax, I've been told that cars registered until 2007 pay on the basis of the engine cc, while cars registered from 2008 pay on CO2 emissions. This is a big difference for me, because instead of 100 euro, I pay 310! My car was registered on the 30/11/07, so just for a month I have to pay a lot more. Anyway it's not just for the date of registration, I wonder why so much difference? Am I the only one thinking here and this is an injustice?
Thanks.

Voodoomelon

I'm thinking you should have done your homework before buying your car!

mickdw

Nothing new there. There are people in worst situations than you. There are cars that cost 1600 on 07 plate and 600 on 08 plate.

sushmita

Voodoomelon, don't worry, I did my homework. When I say 'I imported' the car, I meant to say I brought this car from my home Country. This is a car I bought some years ago and finally I decided to bring it with me to Ireland.

Voodoomelon

In fairness you won't find much sympathy on here, not because this is a motors forum, but because pretty much every single Irish motorists knows how the motor tax system works, its one of the most basic things you check before even looking at a car.

And yes you are correct, the motor tax system is a joke.

EDIT. Just saw your post. Are you not familiar with the motor tax system at all though?

colm_mcm

So unlike Irish people you didn't have to pay vrt to have it on the road


Boo hoo

sushmita

Mickdw, OMG! I didn't know about that, are they crazy?!
And my car wasn't even released in Ireland, it came to the Irish market only in 2008. If I had bought the car here I'd pay less now. But the way, I wasn't expecting it to bring it here at that time.

sushmita

Don't worry, I wasn't looking for sympathy I was just asking, I think I'm entitled to. And I checked the tax before bringing my car (I told I did my homework?) but before starting thinking of bringing my car here I never checked the tax as I never thought of bringing it here.
Now I'm just surprised because in my Country the tax is paid on the same way, no matter when the car was registered. Of course every Country can have a different system, like I said I was curious to know why such a difference, or even bigger differences for bigger cars.

sushmita

Colm my dear, I paid the VRT as well.

colm_mcm

Apologies in that case

12 element

sushmita wrote: »

Hi.
My car was registered on the 30/11/07, so just for a month I have to pay a lot more.

The new tax system came into use on the 30 June 2008 so you actually missed your by 7 months!

colm_mcm

Cars registered from jan 08 can getnthe emissions based tax too

12 element

sushmita wrote: »

Colm my dear, I paid the VRT as well.

If you owned and used the car abroad for more than 6 months and are moving to Ireland then you are exempt from VRT.

Alanstrainor

sushmita wrote: »

Colm my dear, I paid the VRT as well.

Why on earth did you have to pay VRT?

12 element

colm_mcm wrote: »

Cars registered from jan 08 can getnthe emissions based tax too

When did this happen I know someone that is still paying old tax system rates on a 08 car?

colm_mcm

That's if the cc based tax is less than the emissions based


Eg 1.6 avensis, 2.0 rav4, Mazda rx8

maggy_thatcher

12 element wrote: »

When did this happen I know someone that is still paying old tax system rates on a 08 car?

People who bought their car between Jan-Jun 2008 can choose which tax rate they want to pay.

It's always been that way.

colm_mcm

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

People who bought their car between Jan-Jun 2008 can choose which tax rate they want to pay.

It's always been that way.

I think it just automatically defaults

12 element

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

People who bought their car between Jan-Jun 2008 can choose which tax rate they want to pay.

It's always been that way.

Not according to this: http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/

How do you choose? It's a second hand car and the new system would be cheaper (1.0 litre Yaris)

colm_mcm

If it's an 08 yaris, the tax is 156 on emissions, only later revised ones are 104

mickdw

12 element wrote: »

Not according to this: http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/MotorTaxRates/

How do you choose? It's a second hand car and the new system would be cheaper (1.0 litre Yaris)

That says that if regd in first half of 08, you will be put on the cheaper option whether it be cc or emission based

12 element

mickdw wrote: »

That says that if regd in first half of 08, you will be put on the cheaper option whether it be cc or emission based

Yeah I see that I guess the motor tax office will need to be rang if it is still on the old system then.

sushmita

12 element wrote: »

The new tax system came into use on the 30 June 2008 so you actually missed your by 7 months!

Oh then I feel less annoyed

sushmita

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Why on earth did you have to pay VRT?

Everybody who import a car from another Country has to pay VRT. The exemption works only if I had used the car at least for 6 months before moving to Ireland. I've been living in Ireland for 10+ years, so the rule doesn't apply to me.

sushmita

12 element wrote: »

Yeah I see that I guess the motor tax office will need to be rang if it is still on the old system then.

You see? I made someone happy.

MugMugs

Mind me asking what kinda car ?

sushmita

MugMugs wrote: »

Mind me asking what kinda car ?

Me?

MugMugs

sushmita wrote: »

Me?

Yup

sushmita

MugMugs wrote: »

Yup

Fiat 500.

MugMugs

Sorry for the questions. Just love some of the foreign motors being brought in. Is it the 1970's model by any chance ?

We bought a Fiat 126 in Krakow years back and went up into the mountains in her. Epic trip. Wanted to bring it back with me but time and finances didn't permit.

EDIT - Penny drops. Car is 07.... :eek:

colm_mcm

MugMugs wrote: »

Sorry for the questions. Just love some of the foreign motors being brought in. Is it the 1970's model by any chance ?

We bought a Fiat 126 in Krakow years back and went up into the mountains in her. Epic trip. Wanted to bring it back with me but time and finances didn't permit.

The thread is about the 08 tax system and how his 07 car has higher tax :-)

MugMugs

colm_mcm wrote: »

The thread is about the 08 tax system and how his 07 car has higher tax :-)

Queries were answered, was just curious.....

colm_mcm

Saw a load of polski fiats in Poland, would've loved to bring one home at the time

sushmita

MugMugs wrote: »

Queries were answered, was just curious.....

I wish I had that car MugMugs, it's the cutest car ever. I don't think I'd have made it all the way to Ireland though My grandad had it, it was considered as a family car back in the 60s. My granparents had 8 children. Definitely other times!

sushmita

colm_mcm wrote: »

Saw a load of polski fiats in Poland, would've loved to bring one home at the time

So far I've had 3 Fiat and all made in Poland. My first car was an old 126, which is still popular in Poland.

mark1974

I thought it was only NEW cars registered in 08 and after that the new tax system applied to

Guy:Incognito

mark1974 wrote: »

I thought it was only NEW cars registered in 08 and after that the new tax system applied to

Any car thats on an 08 pate or later is on the CO2 rates (with the lower rate between co2 and cc applying for cars registered in first half of 08), whether it was first registered in Ireland or not.


With regard to he unfairness of the rates, theres plenty of cars that would be on a high rate if the co2 bands were retroactivley forced on people.

12 element

mark1974 wrote: »

I thought it was only NEW cars registered in 08 and after that the new tax system applied to

Age of the actual car makes no difference it's done by date of first registration be it in Ireland or elsewhere.

mark1974

12 element wrote: »

Age of the actual car makes no difference it's done by date of first registration be it in Ireland or elsewhere.

Surely the age of the car is when it was first registered?

prettygurrly

sushmita wrote: »

Everybody who import a car from another Country has to pay VRT. The exemption works only if I had used the car at least for 6 months before moving to Ireland. I've been living in Ireland for 10+ years, so the rule doesn't apply to me.

not quite right there. you always have to pay VRT on a car unless you are a foreign dignatory or something. The only thing you dont pay if your car is over 6 months old is VAT. This is to stop people buying brand new cars in UK and the north VAT free and importing them down south at a much reduced price.

going to be importing my Sept 2008 Ford Fiesta Diesel next week...can't wait to have proper insurance on it....

also dont forget you need to book a visit to one of the NCT centres before importation to test for CO2 emissions so the correct VRT is applied.

colm_mcm

Pg: if youre moving to Ireland you can bring your car with you and register it for free. Conditions apply of course.

Squall19

If it was emission based for my 07 I would be paying 2100, as mine is in the G Bracket.

Instead I pay 860

mark1974

I'm getting confused. I imported a 01 northern Ireland registered car and re- registered here in 09 and I'm on the CC system. Is this right?

colm_mcm

Yes your car is 01. That's normal

John J. Murphy

sushmita wrote: »

My car was registered on the 30/11/07...

Do you mean registered for the first time ever (in any country), or do you mean first registered in Ireland on that date (after previously being registered elsewhere before that)? If the latter, then you haven't "missed out" by a month; you've missed out by the amount of time between when the car was first registered (in another country) and the date the new taxation system was introduced in Ireland.

sushmita wrote: »

Now I'm just surprised because in my Country the tax is paid on the same way, no matter when the car was registered.

It's the same here too; it's just that what you're referring to is a complete change in the motor taxation system. In the older system, the date of registration makes no difference and, in the newer system, the date also makes no difference. It's only in the transition between the two systems that it does, for the simple reason that the cut-off point between the two has to be somewhere. In the case, it didn't benefit you. However, if it did, there would still be someone else complaining that THEY "missed out" by X amount of time. If they tried to please everybody, then the system would never have changed at all, since there would always be someone to say "But what about me!?"

John.

colm_mcm

It's like being in 2008 all over again....

sushmita

John J. Murphy wrote: »

Do you mean registered for the first time ever (in any country), or do you mean first registered in Ireland on that date (after previously being registered elsewhere before that)? If the latter, then you haven't "missed out" by a month; you've missed out by the amount of time between when the car was first registered (in another country) and the date the new taxation system was introduced in Ireland.



It's the same here too; it's just that what you're referring to is a complete change in the motor taxation system. In the older system, the date of registration makes no difference and, in the newer system, the date also makes no difference. It's only in the transition between the two systems that it does, for the simple reason that the cut-off point between the two has to be somewhere. In the case, it didn't benefit you. However, if it did, there would still be someone else complaining that THEY "missed out" by X amount of time. If they tried to please everybody, then the system would never have changed at all, since there would always be someone to say "But what about me!?"

John.

My car has been registered in Italy on the 30/11/07, I brought it to Ireland this month.

Our man in Havana

Hard cheese so.

pajo1981

The system changed in 2008 :eek:. Build a bridge and get over it.

TheBazman

My car is late 07 - tax is around 1250 - if it was a few months newer it would be around 600. Ain't nothing that can be done. In addition to the annual tax difference the other big issue is the relative loss in value (aside from the 07 vs 08 normal difference) due to the difference in tax.

I guess if they were going to bring in a new system at any stage there was always going to be people that lose out and others who gain. C'est la vie!