90's or 00's Which was best?

lala88

Seen this on Hoganstand. Which was a better decade for football & hurling?

You'd have to say the 90's for both. In hurling the likes of Clare, Wexford and Offaly winning All Irelands and Limerick were also a force. We also had 8 different winners in the 90's compared to only 3 in the 00's

In football again we had the likes of Down, Derry, Meath, Galway, Donegal and Kerry making the brake trough. Also Clare, Leitrim, Roscommon, Offaly and Kildare winning provincial championships. Again 9 winners compared to 3 in the 00's

In football also in the 90's teams still tryed to play football insteed of nowdays where most teams try and stop the other from playing.

Kojak

The biggest reason there were soo few winners in the 00's was because of the backdoor system. Granted with the strength of KK, they would have won a lot of AI's anyways, but Cork would not have won 04 had the old system been in place. It would have probably been a Wexford vs Waterford AI, and everyone would have been talking about it for years - just for novelty sake's if nothing else.

By the way, there were 4 AI winners in the 00's in football - Kerry, Galway, Armagh and Tyrone.

lala88

Kojak wrote: »

The biggest reason there were soo few winners in the 00's was because of the backdoor system. Granted with the strength of KK, they would have won a lot of AI's anyways, but Cork would not have won 04 had the old system been in place. It would have probably been a Wexford vs Waterford AI, and everyone would have been talking about it for years - just for novelty sake's if nothing else.

By the way, there were 4 AI winners in the 00's in football - Kerry, Galway, Armagh and Tyrone.

Oh ya my mistake i forgot Galway won in 2001

patmac

Depends on your county, being from Westmeath it has to be the noughties with the Leinster Championship win in 2004 although the 90's were good with first ever wins in the All-Ireland minor and u21 championships, every other decade before that was about even.

Clareman

Everyone knows that the second half of the 90s is the pinnacle of hurling*

Saffron & blue coloured sun glasses well in place

kkdela6

the 90's for diversification and all that, but one cant deny the awe the kilkenny hurling panel left us in for the last couple of years

premierstone

kkdela6 wrote: »

the 90's for diversification and all that, but one cant deny the awe the kilkenny hurling panel left us in for the last couple of years

Percisely I regurarly here people state as fact that the 90's were better, but I genuinely think these people are mixing up competitiveness with quality.

No doubt the emergence of a new wave of challengers in the mid ninties was massive for the future of the game, the quality of hurling in the 00's was imo on a different level.

Historically in hurling the big three have dominated and taken turns if you like and when one would be in a lull, or a famine as we call it here in Tipp, hte other two would fight it out, what was unique about the mid to late nineties was that all three of big three were to one extent or another in one of their valley periods.

Thats not to take away from the achievements of the Ofally's, Wexford's Clare's and Limericks of the 90's and what their success did for the survival and development of hurling was immessurable and while we witness some of the greats of the game in that period, like Lohan, Daly, Kirby, Carey,Whelehan, Pilkington, Fitzhenry and Dunne but the reality is that in the 00's Cork and more significantly Kilkenny brought the game to a different level.

ontheditch2

90's for me. It was so open in both hurling and football, which made it extremely interesting from a sport fans point of view.

aidan24326

The nineties without a doubt. In football we had the breakthrough of the Northern teams after deacades in the wilderness, and Galway's re-emergence under O'Mahony. Not to mention the classic Dublin-Meath saga in 91 or Clare's epic Munster Final win in 92.

Hurling saw Wexford back at the top table and Clare winning All-Irelands after a very long time of trying. Ofally's amazing smash and grab effort against Limerick.

In the noughties it was dominated by the same teams, good and all as they were. Kilkenny certainly took hurling to another level, but there was more romance in seeing Clare's breakthrough, Wexford's resurgence etc

corny

I think the OP is judging this on entertainment value which would mean the nineties wins hands down for me.

If we're talking about standard then obviously Kerry-Tyrone and KK have pushed on a bit since the nineties.

keane2097

Standard-wise 00s AINEC.

Entertainment, 90s for the 1996 Meath-Mayo dust up alone.

STIG83

Def the 90's. least hurling wasnt boring with same team winning every year :rolleyes:

premierstone

STIG83 wrote: »

Def the 90's. least hurling wasnt boring with same team winning every year :rolleyes:

8 counties were represented in the AI final in both decades?? And three counties won AIs in the 00's and KK won ones with completely different teams.

Also the Waterford team of the 00's were a better team than either of the Wexford or Offaly teams that won AI's in the 90's and at least on a par with the Clare team.

Clareman

premierstone wrote: »

Also the Waterford team of the 00's were a better team than either of the Wexford or Offaly teams that won AI's in the 90's and at least on a par with the Clare team.

I don't think you can compare teams from 1 era to another, just compare the decades as a whole.

I'll stick with the 90s, there were far more even games, there were 4 or 5 teams in the mix most years, most games were 50/50 going into them, there wasn't many blow out All Ireland finals.

premierstone

Clareman wrote: »

I don't think you can compare teams from 1 era to another, just compare the decades as a whole.

I'll stick with the 90s, there were far more even games, there were 4 or 5 teams in the mix most years, most games were 50/50 going into them, there wasn't many blow out All Ireland finals.

Yeah I agree it was more entertaining and more of an even spread, but the quality was much higher in the 00's, quality over competitiveness for me anyday.

Clareman

And that's why discussion boards such as this are a great invention, allows people with different opinions/outlooks discuss things.

By my calculations, the total gap between winners & losers in the 00s was 67 points, or almost 7 points per match, the 90s was 37 points, or almost 4 points for match, in fact the final with the biggest gap between teams in the 90s was the 94 final, and I don't think anyone could call that a runaway final by any stretch of the imagination :pac:

I've added a poll

premierstone

Clareman wrote: »

And that's why discussion boards such as this are a great invention, allows people with different opinions/outlooks discuss things.

By my calculations, the total gap between winners & losers in the 00s was 67 points, or almost 7 points per match, the 90s was 37 points, or almost 4 points for match, in fact the final with the biggest gap between teams in the 90s was the 94 final, and I don't think anyone could call that a runaway final by any stretch of the imagination :pac:

I've added a poll

I understand the point you are making and it is valid, but why are you only concentrating on the AI Finals, its one game every year there are loads of other games every year and actually most years the final is nowhere near the best game.

Fireball07

Clareman wrote: »

And that's why discussion boards such as this are a great invention, allows people with different opinions/outlooks discuss things.

By my calculations, the total gap between winners & losers in the 00s was 67 points, or almost 7 points per match, the 90s was 37 points, or almost 4 points for match, in fact the final with the biggest gap between teams in the 90s was the 94 final, and I don't think anyone could call that a runaway final by any stretch of the imagination :pac:

I've added a poll

You have to admit though that the 2008 final blows it slightly out of proportion.

keane2097

I would have thought the Cork/Waterford sagas in the 00s would have blown anything from the 90s completely out of the water in terms of quality or entertainment.

premierstone

keane2097 wrote: »

I would have thought the Cork/Waterford sagas in the 00s would have blown anything from the 90s completely out of the water in terms of quality or entertainment.

They did, as did the Cork/KK games or the 2009 AI, but and im not criticising it most people prefer the romantic story of a lesser county winning the ultimate prize.

bruschi

premierstone wrote: »

I understand the point you are making and it is valid, but why are you only concentrating on the AI Finals, its one game every year there are loads of other games every year and actually most years the final is nowhere near the best game.

the last 3 seasons in hurling have been muck, everyone basically waiting for a Kilkenny/Tipp final. now I know that is probably good for you, and to be honest, I enjoyed those games too. but the rest of the championship was dire. in the 90's you had competetive games from quarter final of provincials onwards, whereas now there is damn all emphasis on that stage because of the back door. in the early 90's the fact you had no back door also made games more tense and more exciting.