Labours position on Social welfare

Gael23

Would Labour walk out if social welfare rates were reduced in the budget given its so important to them

Sierra Oscar

Well, it is a Labour Minister that is implementing said cuts . . . so no they wont.

That said, expect one or two of their TD's to lose the whip over the budget before Christmas.

dsmythy

There's other things even more important to them that they'll kick a larger fuss over.

Shattered Dreamer

I bet everyone who voted Labour on foot of their promises not to cut social welfare or introduce college fees is beginning to feel like an idiot

nesf

They gave a Labour woman the Ministry so it'll be a Labour decision either way.

Dyr

Labour are basically a mix of ruthless stickys who scrambled from the fall of the iron curtain and quasi-socialists desperate for power, once the teachers and nurses are left alone they'll do whatever it takes to stay in govt.

hallelujajordan

ROFL . . I'm wondering if this thread is a p!sstake or if there are people out there who actually believe that Labour are not a big part of the budget planning and decision making exercise here..


There is absolutely zero chance of Gilmore walking Labour out of government. .

HellFireClub

What this country needs is a new massive political movement that will represent middle class people who are committed to the preservation of the private sector. Not a labour movement, a movement for small business folks and those that work in small businesses, so that jobs are properly protected, what is going on here is a complete joke, there is no strategy to create jobs or create successful businesses, the strategy for "national recovery" is an open ended failed strategy that involves inventing new tax headings every month and taking more and more money out of the economy to pay for bank bondholders.

Labour are the exact opposite of what this country needs right now, it is made up of people who living in an economic la la land who are trade union members and who are still enjoying the high life in Irish semi-state companies and quango's.

It seems to me that within the Irish civil service, salaries like 70K and upwards are laughed at as a pittence. This is what the Labour movement stand over, people in semi states and quango's on incredible salaries getting protected from any austerity, laughing at salaries like 50K and the likes of it, then we wonder why we have to borrow billions from outside organisations?!?!?

Gurgle

HellFireClub wrote: »

It seems to me that within the Irish civil service, salaries like 70K and upwards are laughed at as a pittence.

It seems to me that you don't know your arse from your elbow. My impression is supported by the above evidence.

Do you have any evidence for yours?

anymore

HellFireClub wrote: »

What this country needs is a new massive political movement that will represent middle class people who are committed to the preservation of the private sector. Not a labour movement, a movement for small business folks and those that work in small businesses, so that jobs are properly protected, what is going on here is a complete joke, there is no strategy to create jobs or create successful businesses, the strategy for "national recovery" is an open ended failed strategy that involves inventing new tax headings every month and taking more and more money out of the economy to pay for bank bondholders.

Labour are the exact opposite of what this country needs right now, it is made up of people who living in an economic la la land who are trade union members and who are still enjoying the high life in Irish semi-state companies and quango's.

It seems to me that within the Irish civil service, salaries like 70K and upwards are laughed at as a pittance. This is what the Labour movement stand over, people in semi states and quango's on incredible salaries getting protected from any austerity, laughing at salaries like 50K and the likes of it, then we wonder why we have to borrow billions from outside organisations?!?!?

I absolutely agree with you . I think it is time for private sector workers and many private employers to see that they must find common ground politically in order to establish a counter weight to the Public Sector political wing which now includes FF,Fg and labour.

Biggins

Previously the Greens suffered greatly in that they were seen to be continuously propping up a party that was growing in hatred by the day and also for the simple fact, they were further seen to be supporting policies that TOTALLY were in conflict of their original green ideology and/or in conflict with the words they had stated earlier pre-election, to the public.

Labour is now going down the same route – clearly they are not learning from history – and at they rate they are going, they WILL pay for it.

They can’t say they were not warned!

Benny_Cake

HellFireClub wrote: »

What this country needs is a new massive political movement that will represent middle class people who are committed to the preservation of the private sector. Not a labour movement, a movement for small business folks and those that work in small businesses, so that jobs are properly protected, what is going on here is a complete joke, there is no strategy to create jobs or create successful businesses, the strategy for "national recovery" is an open ended failed strategy that involves inventing new tax headings every month and taking more and more money out of the economy to pay for bank bondholders.

Labour are the exact opposite of what this country needs right now, it is made up of people who living in an economic la la land who are trade union members and who are still enjoying the high life in Irish semi-state companies and quango's.

It seems to me that within the Irish civil service, salaries like 70K and upwards are laughed at as a pittence. This is what the Labour movement stand over, people in semi states and quango's on incredible salaries getting protected from any austerity, laughing at salaries like 50K and the likes of it, then we wonder why we have to borrow billions from outside organisations?!?!?

Your massive new political movement of the "middle class" sounds rather elitist to say the very least. As for laughing at a salary of either 50k or 70k - no public servant I know would do that. C'mon,do you really believe in some sort of conspiracy to destroy the private sector?because I've worked in the private and public sectors and there are more similarities than differences.

hallelujajordan

Biggins wrote: »

Previously the Greens suffered greatly in that they were seen to be continuously propping up a party that was growing in hatred by the day and also for the simple fact, they were further seen to be supporting policies that TOTALLY were in conflict of their original green ideology and/or in conflict with the words they had stated earlier pre-election, to the public.

Labour is now going down the same route – clearly they are not learning from history – and at they rate they are going, they WILL pay for it.

They can’t say they were not warned!

Your crediting them with the more minor crime of supporting objectionable FG policies . . I would go further and accuse Gilmore and Co of owning some of these more objectionable policies.

Biggins

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Your crediting them with the more minor crime of supporting objectionable FG policies . . I would go further and accuse Gilmore and Co of owning some of these more objectionable policies.

There is some truth in what you say.

Lockstep

HellFireClub wrote: »

What this country needs is a new massive political movement that will represent middle class people who are committed to the preservation of the private sector. Not a labour movement, a movement for small business folks and those that work in small businesses, so that jobs are properly protected, what is going on here is a complete joke, there is no strategy to create jobs or create successful businesses, the strategy for "national recovery" is an open ended failed strategy that involves inventing new tax headings every month and taking more and more money out of the economy to pay for bank bondholders.

Labour are the exact opposite of what this country needs right now, it is made up of people who living in an economic la la land who are trade union members and who are still enjoying the high life in Irish semi-state companies and quango's.

It seems to me that within the Irish civil service, salaries like 70K and upwards are laughed at as a pittence. This is what the Labour movement stand over, people in semi states and quango's on incredible salaries getting protected from any austerity, laughing at salaries like 50K and the likes of it, then we wonder why we have to borrow billions from outside organisations?!?!?

bobbysands81

nesf wrote: »

They gave a Labour woman the Ministry so it'll be a Labour decision either way.

Is it not a collective decision by Cabinet that decides the cuts?

Cabinet discusses what cuts are needed and surely makes a collective decision. This decision is then conveyed to all by Min for Finance on Budget day and then it's voted on by all TDs of all parties and accepted or rejected.

Gael23

Read this in the paper yesterday
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/blood-on-the-walls-if-benefits-are-cut-174635.html

Benny_Cake

anymore wrote: »

I absolutely agree with you . I think it is time for private sector workers and many private employers to see that they must find common ground politically in order to establish a counter weight to the Public Sector political wing which now includes FF,Fg and labour.

So private sector employers such as say, Denis O'Brien, and private sector workers such as your average accountant, or the guy that works in your local chipper all have common ground politically? Would it not make more sense for low to middle income workers, in the private and public sector to look after their common interests. By the way, the notion that public sector workers control the nation's 3 largest political parties is laughable.

foggy_lad

Shattered Dreamer wrote: »

I bet everyone who voted Labour on foot of their promises not to cut social welfare or introduce college fees is beginning to feel like an idiot

Come back Bertie Biffo and Meeeeeehaaall, all is forgiven?

jimmycrackcorm

Bambi wrote: »

Labour are basically a mix of ruthless stickys who scrambled from the fall of the iron curtain and quasi-socialists desperate for power, once the teachers and nurses are left alone they'll do whatever it takes to stay in govt.

Labour are simply a party in Government who are faced with reality instead of being in opposition where your job is to object to everything the government is doing.

Gareth2011

At the end of the day every single political party makes promises pre-election and when their voted in on those promises they dont keep them. I know there has to be cuts but they rarly look to cuts within Government. Like cutting the pensions of ex politicans. There is a few million right there. What ever happened to getting rid of the seanad? too much controversary so we sweep it under the carpet and hope nobody remembers it.

gurramok

Can't see any Ministers quitting, they need their pensions after all, just like FF ministers would not quit until election time.

Count Dooku

Looks like preserving overseas aid as big source of votes from NGO staff has higher priority for them

anymore

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Your massive new political movement of the "middle class" sounds rather elitist to say the very least. As for laughing at a salary of either 50k or 70k - no public servant I know would do that. C'mon,do you really believe in some sort of conspiracy to destroy the private sector?because I've worked in the private and public sectors and there are more similarities than differences.

Of course the PS doesnt want to kill off the Private sector - why kill the goose that lays the Golden Egg !
No it is more a case of returning much of the private sector to something akin to Serfdom. Naturally much of the middle and upper PS see the more lucrative parts of the private sector as something ' it retires to' .
Maybe that is why much of the PS reglulation of private sector semi monoplies has been so ineffective ???? I am just asking the question mind !

Dirk Gently

HellFireClub wrote: »

Labour are the exact opposite of what this country needs right now, it is made up of people who living in an economic la la land who are trade union members and who are still enjoying the high life in Irish semi-state companies and quango's.

It seems to me that within the Irish civil service, salaries like 70K and upwards are laughed at as a pittence. This is what the Labour movement stand over, people in semi states and quango's on incredible salaries getting protected from any austerity, laughing at salaries like 50K and the likes of it, then we wonder why we have to borrow billions from outside organisations?!?!?

Your problem is with FF tbh. Labour haven't governed the state for the vast majority of it's existence, they haven't even managed to be a senior member of a coalition government yet. The truth is all 3 of the major parties like to keep senior civil servants sweet and create quangos but by far the biggest offender is FF.

mistermouse

Labour should really see the need for overall reform of things like Childrens allowance and the public sector, Fine Gael bounced them into awkward Ministries for this Government.

I would wonder if Labour were not weighing up staying in Governemnt cos they have been out for so long against going to the people with FF in the doldrums and the wind at their back for opposing measures and on the back of getting Michael D in.

If they do stay, I'd think their chances to advance electorally will diminish somewhat and they'll be also looking over their shoulder at Sinn Fein.

At present they could get out of Government without too much damage done and look quite populist.

A few back Bench rumbles won't take the Govt down anyway, it would need to be the party policy and that looks unlikely

bmaxi

Snag is, as I see it. In the unlikely event that Labour did pull the plug on Government, who the fcuk could we vote for?
Unthinkable that we could vote for FF, FG have shown they are prepared to shaft the little man again and make no effort to level the playing field.
That leaves the Shinners and the rest of the motley crew, Hobson's choice really.