Why are some cyclists so aggressive on the cycle path?

mldub

Just in from a cycle on the local cycle path with my 8 year old daughter. To exit the path, we have to go down 3 steps to cross the main road to go home. I have to carry the two bikes down the steps, one at a time. I had just carried her bike down, when a male cyclist came along and shouted "Get your f***ing bike off the cycle path" right in front of my 8 year old! Now I ask you, how am I supposed to get both a child and adult bike down 3 steps at the same time? I left the lights on my bike so that it would be visible. Everyone who cycles on this path knows that there is an entry/exit at this point so why can I not stop to exit here? Why did he have to be so agressive? This is not the first time that this has happened either. When my daughter was learning to cycle, she was a bit wobbly and another male cyclist yelled agressively when she wobbled in front of him. As far as I'm aware the cycle paths are for everyone. It seems to me that these guys dressed in the professional cycling gear think that they are cycling in the Tour de France and that they own the cycle paths in Dublin! They are for everybody - so just calm down please!

galwaycyclist

Indefensible behaviour really - as always these incidents provoke the question that if these gentlemen are so tough why aren't they out on the roads where they belong?

Lusk Doyle

mldub wrote: »

Just in from a cycle on the coastal cycle path in Sutton with my 8 year old daughter. To exit the path, we have to go down 3 steps to cross the main road to go home. I have to carry the two bikes down the steps, one at a time. I had just carried her bike down, when a male cyclist came along and shouted "Get your f***ing bike off the cycle path" right in front of my 8 year old! Now I ask you, how am I supposed to get both a child and adult bike down 3 steps at the same time? I left the lights on my bike so that it would be visible. Everyone who cycles on this path knows that there is an entry/exit at this point so why can I not stop to exit here? Why did he have to be so agressive? This is not the first time that this has happened either. When my daughter was learning to cycle, she was a bit wobbly and another male cyclist yelled agressively when she wobbled in front of him. As far as I'm aware the cycle path on the coast road is for everyone. It seems to me that these guys dressed in the professional cycling gear think that they are cycling in the Tour de France and that they own the cycle paths in Dublin! They are for everybody - so just calm down please!

Some people are just asses.

RobFowl

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Some people are just asses.

+1

therightstuff

I commute on the cycle lane every night. There is no excuse for language like that in front of an eight year old especially if its obvious you are trying to get off the lane.

On the other hand people regularly walk/run in the cycle lane especially on the Clontarf end- even though there are footpaths either side. A good shout is no harm to warn them that you are approaching.

Icyseanfitz

dont worry its just an A hole, you get them in every walk of life unfortunately, as a good lesson for your girl just point at people like that and say "thats what you dont want to be when you grow up"

Satanta

its maddening. Inexcusable whether there is a youngster there or not, but even more maddening seeing as an innocent wee girl was present. This type of behaviour isn't limited to rogue cyclists. You'd probably find he behaves the same behind the wheel if a car.

Darkglasses

Absolutely shocking. Never encountered something like that, but it seems to me people are losing patience in these winter evenings. Been milled out three times in the last two weeks, very testing even for me!

Lumen

mldub wrote: »

It seems to me that these guys dressed in the professional cycling gear think that they are cycling in the Tour de France and that they own the cycle paths in Dublin!

Many regular cyclists would avoid cycle paths when possible since they bring them into conflict with pedestrians and 8 year olds, for example.

monument

Indefensible behaviour.

Out of interest, exactly where is the cycle path?

NeedMoreGears

What a pedal and cranker!

Sorry to hear you had the misfortune to meet someone like that. However not all the lyrca brigade are lunatics or so ill mannered. 'hope your daughter wasn't upset by it.

Lusk Doyle

Slightly off thread but I had some good natured ribbing with members of fingal tri while I was running and they were "cycling" around Lusk this evening!

mp31

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

dont worry its just an A hole, you get them in every walk of life unfortunately, as a good lesson for your girl just point at people like that and say "thats what you dont want to be when you grow up"

Nice one!

Chris O Donoghue

I do a lot of cycling in France and Italy every year, and in the areas where there are cycle paths the behaviour of some cyclists is appalling. I don't mean a small minority either. In Torbole, on Lake Garda, big groups of up to 30 mountain bikers on their way home from a tough day in the hills stream along a shared walking cycling path for about 3 miles, shouting and bullying kids and elderly people.
It would make you ashamed to be a cyclist. In fairness most of the roadies behave themselves. I've spent a total of 4 months in this area so I'm not basing this on a few isolated incidents.

somevalidname

mldub wrote: »

Just in from a cycle on the local cycle path with my 8 year old daughter. To exit the path, we have to go down 3 steps to cross the main road to go home. I have to carry the two bikes down the steps, one at a time. I had just carried her bike down, when a male cyclist came along and shouted "Get your f***ing bike off the cycle path" right in front of my 8 year old! Now I ask you, how am I supposed to get both a child and adult bike down 3 steps at the same time? I left the lights on my bike so that it would be visible. Everyone who cycles on this path knows that there is an entry/exit at this point so why can I not stop to exit here? Why did he have to be so agressive? This is not the first time that this has happened either. When my daughter was learning to cycle, she was a bit wobbly and another male cyclist yelled agressively when she wobbled in front of him. As far as I'm aware the cycle paths are for everyone. It seems to me that these guys dressed in the professional cycling gear think that they are cycling in the Tour de France and that they own the cycle paths in Dublin! They are for everybody - so just calm down please!

Hi mldub,

I think it is me you're talking about, I can't be sure, but yes indeed, I cycled along the coast this evening and indeed almost crashed into somebody's bike, a bike that seemed to be left in the middle of a dark cycle path, with lights so weak, that made it barely visible from a distance of 10 meters...

But still, please let me first express my apologies.

I feel bad that I didn't stop to explain what i felt was wrong and just help you take the bike off the road. Truly. Therefore I'm really glad that you've wrote about it, as I now have a chance to explain how the event looked like from my perspective. If you allow me.

So what happened was simply that I was too shocked to think clearly, everything that I was able to come up with was this loud scream... I'm not sure how did you hear the f word, but I can assure you I didn't mean nor say anything bad, in contrary what I said was:

"Please... take the bike off the path..."

where '...' stood for resignation as I already saw myself crashing into it, badly... And I missed it only by an inch or two, I believe... somehow I managed to avoid the crash, happy that I limit my speed these days, rarely average 25k, because of the dark I prefer to go slower, just in case.

Anyway, there's what I'd have try to explain, if I had stopped:

- you should know that I really couldn't see your bike, its back light was barely visible and head lights of the approaching cars didn't really help much with the situation...

- if I'm not mistaken this particular entry/exit looks like:

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6

1 - road
2 - left hand side pedestrian sidewalk
3 - wall & stairs
4 - left hand side cycle lane
5 - right hand side cycle lane
6 - right hand side pedestrian sidewalk

am I correct? So now tell me, wouldn't you agree that it'd be much better if you parked your bike NOT in the middle of the right cycle line, bot on the left one, or - better - on the right pedestrian sidewalk? Would be much safer, I'd say!

- you said that 'Everyone who cycles on this path knows that there is an entry/exit at this point so why can I not stop to exit here' - my advice would be NOT to make such assumptions, various people cycle the coast path and only some of them know the route well; so a much safer assumption would be that 'no one really knows the path well, hence I keep my wits about me at all times'

- I didn't see your kid, pitty as I'm pretty sure I'd have stopped if I did (ask her to leave the cycle path, for her own safety... if she was really standing by the bike I consider it a miracle I didn't crash into her!)

Anyway: lesson learnt, I can clearly see now that a shout is not a way to go when it comes to such situations, that it's much better to stop for a moment and explain.

As for swearing: you might have realized already, that I'm not a native English speaker, and though I consider this inability to swear a significant handicap*, I'm not going to start learning how to swear in English. Simple as that.

* (because I simply lose any tempered argument before it even starts... for example when I'm being called names on regular basis by pedestrians who I dare to comment that it's not the safest way to spend an afternoon walking this very coastal cycle path in the dark, with their headphones on, the sense of hearing completely blocked...).

Uhh, quite a long reply, it turned out to be... So to sum it all up: please again accept my apologies. I'd appreciate if you could pass them over to your daughter, too. Hope that she still likes cycling, that today's experience didn't put her off cycling for good. Maybe I could compensate this very unpleasant experience with a delicious icecream at the Mauds, if you ever decide cycle up Howth? Just let me know, I see kids queuing every weekend, they seem to just love the icecream! (they don't need to care about carbs, yet, I presume

somevalidname

monument wrote: »

Indefensible behaviour.

Out of interest, exactly where is the cycle path?

Not sure whether that's the exact location, but it's one of those entries/exits, and they all look pretty much the same:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.384096,-6.137409&spn=0.021527,0.043731&hnear=Dublin,+County+Cathair+%C3%81tha+Cliath,+Ireland&t=h&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=53.385718,-6.139582&panoid=Qm88tox-9VKCAm7G__DiFg&cbp=12,133.85,,0,13.5&z=15

Lumen

somevalidname wrote: »

I think it is me you're talking about, I can't be sure, but yes indeed, I cycled along the coast this evening and indeed almost crashed into somebody's bike, a bike that seemed to be left in the middle of a dark cycle path, with lights so weak, that made it barely visible from a distance of 10 meters...

If such a situation is causing you to almost crash, you are going too fast for the reach of your own lights.

You should cycle at a speed which allows you to stop in the distance you can see to be clear and is likely to remain so.

"See to be clear" includes unlit, non-reflective objects.

That said, in general terms people should avoid causing hazards if possible. For instance, a car driver shouldn't choose to stop on the roadway directly past a blind bend, despite that other road users should be able to stop safely using the rule stated above.

Wheely GR8

Maybe the cyclist didn't see your daughter on the lower level path and thought you were taking a break ,leaving your bike there
If it was me crossing the road ,I'd have left my bike resting against the wall upright. It can be a bit chilling cycling on that cycle path because of the height off the road ,I'd say some people are even a bit nervous and might say something they wouldn't normally:(

rothai

I think he was perfectly entitled to shout out(but not scream obscenities obviously),he says he didn't swear, which and I'm sorry if I'm wrong here but op probably just heard a shout and said I'll throw in the f word to make the story better. Fair play to the guy for telling his side of the story, before that i was calling him an a.hole too. But fact is op won't leave bike in the middle of the path again and cyclist won't be as agressive in Future. A friendly shout is All most people need so they see the the error of their ways. that being said I agree with op when he said do they think they are in the tour d f, some cyclists throw on the lycra and think they are sean kelly. anyways glad no one was hurt and everyONE will be careful in future.

Icyseanfitz

Chris O Donoghue wrote: »

I do a lot of cycling in France and Italy every year, and in the areas where there are cycle paths the behaviour of some cyclists is appalling. I don't mean a small minority either. In Torbole, on Lake Garda, big groups of up to 30 mountain bikers on their way home from a tough day in the hills stream along a shared walking cycling path for about 3 miles, shouting and bullying kids and elderly people.
It would make you ashamed to be a cyclist. In fairness most of the roadies behave themselves. I've spent a total of 4 months in this area so I'm not basing this on a few isolated incidents.

painting a lovely picture of mtbers there :rolleyes: and im sure every roadie in france is an angel haha im a mtber and bullying pre adolescent children is one of my many pastimes, great craic sure

Wheely GR8

Sorry for my post earlier ,I didn't see somevalidnames response (On mobile)

somevalidname

Lumen wrote: »

If such a situation is causing you to almost crash, you are going too fast for the reach of your own lights.

You should cycle at a speed which allows you to stop in the distance you can see to be clear and is likely to remain so.

"See to be clear" includes unlit, non-reflective objects.

That said, in general terms people should avoid causing hazards if possible. For instance, a car driver shouldn't choose to stop on the roadway directly past a blind bend, despite that other road users should be able to stop safely using the rule stated above.

I understand what you're saying and I think that you're right.

It's just that if one really wants to follow the advice one wouldn't really be able to cycle this route. A situation when a guy in dark outfit cycles at high speed in direction opposite to what I'm heading happened at least twice this autumn. Not really sure what my speed (or how powerful the lights) would be needed to assure we're both safe in such a case? Should I be pedalling backwards at 30km/h?

So what I instead try* to do is to keep the speed reasonable and to slow down around tougher patches (and it's not about darkness on this route, pitch dark is not a problem, bike lights then work perfectly, it's mostly when lights of the approaching cars impair visibility).

What did too was that I've made myself a Christmas tree for the time of dark winter evenings. 2 x EL320 on the front, one is usually set blinking the other one is lit constant, 4 x LD 610 at the back, all blinking mad - it makes some reasonable hiviz persona, I believe. I do hope other cyclist follow the suite, especially those who like to cycle fast!

Still, going back to your original statement, I must admit that this bike parked in the middle of the cycle line did take me by surprise. I think I'll be cycling even slower after yesterday... I don't even want to think how I'd have felt if I hit the girl yesterday If she was indeed standing over there - I'm so really glad nothing bad happened!

Lumen

somevalidname wrote: »

It's just that if one really wants to follow the advice one wouldn't really be able to cycle this route. A situation when a guy in dark outfit cycles at high speed in direction opposite to what I'm heading happened at least twice this autumn. Not really sure what my speed (or how powerful the lights) would be needed to assure we're both safe in such a case? Should I be pedalling backwards at 30km/h?

As a rule of thumb speed in kph divided by 4 gives metres per second.

My own (good) lights have a reach of maybe 40m when dipped, if we're talking about avoiding ninjas sleeping on the cyclepath.

Even with no braking at all, that gives me over 5 seconds to do something (40 metres covered at 30kph or 7.5m/s).

With braking there's much more time.

With an ongoing cycling ninja doing the same speed, you have half as much time to stop.

Still, the only time I risk having a crash is when a pedestrian ninja steps out into my path, or if I'm away with the fairies and not paying any attention (this happens quite regularly).

Dermot Illogical

somevalidname wrote: »

I understand what you're saying and I think that you're right.

It's just that if one really wants to follow the advice one wouldn't really be able to cycle this route.

Hi,

First, let me say I'm really glad you joined this thread as it was getting a bit one-sided..
I cycle this route most days and I can understand how your conflict came about. Heading out of the city the left cycle lane is dangerous and unusable as no matter how good your lights are you cannot see the surface due to being blinded by traffic on the road. Picking out a cyclist's penny-sized flashing light from all the other lights ahead is a difficult task no matter where you place yourself in the cycle track.
You really do need to slow down and move out to the right. The safest place is out on the pedestrian area (if it's clear), out of the cycle area completely, as less light leaks from the road over to that side.
The entry/exit points along the path are also in constant use by people who seem unable to look or think, so it's best to steer well clear. The surface is also relatively uneven at those points (Kilbarrack Rd in particular).

@OP, I'd have shouted at you in similar circumstances. You left a bicycle unattended in a dark cycle lane without checking to see if anyone was in danger of hitting it. You ask the question "how am I supposed to get both a child and adult bike down 3 steps at the same time?". How about one in each hand? If that's not possible, how about leaving it somewhere it's not going to hurt someone? How about looking around to ensure you aren't endangering anyone? A bit of thought and your situation wouldn't have arisen.

therightstuff

As stated earlier I ride this stretch every evening. It is not directly lit and the left hand cycle lane is in complete darkness as the wall shades it from the street lights. Added to this the headlights of the oncoming traffic is blinding so even if you have a decent light it's of little use. All in all its very difficult to see what's in front. This is exacerbated by cyclists riding along without lights. These morons seem to think that it's safe without lights because they are off the road. On an average evening I pass three people without lights on the cycle path.

Dublin City Council need to provide separate lighting for the lane. At the crossing for Dollymount there are no lights and boulders are helpfully placed across the path. Not even a reflective chevron to give warning.

Fair play to the guy having the balls to come on. And let us be under no illusions- I have come across parents who think its perfectly fine for their children to swerve all over the path. If the kid is not a proficient cyclist they should learn to ride somewhere else and preferably in daylight- that's how most of us did it.

Bluefoam

OP, this thread isn't going how you expected it, is it?

I have to say, from reading through the thread, you come across as the perpetrator rather than the victim.

somevalidname

Bluefoam wrote: »

OP, this thread isn't going how you expected it, is it?

I have to say, from reading through the thread, you come across as the perpetrator rather than the victim.

C'mon, there's little point putting it that way. Do you really think she wanted to twist the story? What for?..

Lets rather hope that seeing the other point of view next time she leaves the bike away of the cycle track. And that the kid keeps on cycling!

monkeybutter

Well trolled sir, I salute you

blorg

I don't think it is necessary to take sides or grab the pitchforks here, I can see it from both sides. Fair play to somevalidname for coming on and admitting and clarifying his position, and seeming to understand how he can reduce the incidence in future also.

It is a very badly lit mixed use path with car headlights adjoining and I know exactly what he means by being surprised by dark objects on it; if anything energies should be directed at the council to install proper lighting.

I don't think it is reasonable to demand lighting on city bikes that is in excess of what is demanded in law in this country. We use those crazy high power lights, and they are great, but you can't expect every commuter in a city to have one.

OP is at fault for leaving a bike with a weak rear light in the path as much as somevalidname is at fault for having an inadequate front beam. Let's remember he came on here and explicitly apologised.

At root I think this is the problem with "cycle facilities" - half the users (OP) expect them to be treated as places they can cycle with their 8 year old and governed primarily by pedestrian sort of rules with pedestrian sort of speeds (<10km/h.) The other half (somevalidname) expect to be able to cycle on them with normal bike commuting speeds (25km/h.)

The better solution is the repealing of the promised mandatory use provision after which a speed limit of some sort could be put on cycle lanes so that the OP could enjoy them in peace for the pottering around with kids type of cycling they are fundamentally more suited to in the first place.

somevalidname

therightstuff wrote: »

As stated earlier I ride this stretch every evening. (..) On an average evening I pass three people without lights on the cycle path.

+1, but some say 'sorry' when passing by - and then I'm not angry that much!

therightstuff wrote: »

Fair play to the guy having the balls to come on. And let us be under no illusions- I have come across parents who think its perfectly fine for their children to swerve all over the path. If the kid is not a proficient cyclist they should learn to ride somewhere else and preferably in daylight- that's how most of us did it.

I really don't mind as far as I can comfortably pass by. This happens for example every morning, when teenagers cycle to school, up Sutton direction, sometimes they go shoulder to shoulder, but even then I usually still have plenty of room, only sometimes need to slow down. Similar thing on the weekends - little kids on wobbly bikes pop up quite often, but in daylight it's easy to look ahead and avoid problems.

On the other hand I'd really mind if someone shouted at my kid some obscenities! Would be a nice little chase on the cards, probably

horsemeat

OP they're probably training for Le Tour, cut them some slack!!

Jawgap

I'll just wade in here.......

First, I think Rule 43 applies.......
Rule #43 Don’t be a jackass. But if you absolutely must be a jackass, be a funny jackass. Always remember, we’re all brothers and sisters on the road.

Anyway, @somevalidname - would you be a Spanish chap riding a Cube by any chance? If so we've shared a few spins in together and I've always enjoyed your company.

I think the problem with that cycleway (and the Phoenix Park) one is that they are both well sited in places were lots of other people want to be with their dogs, children, grannies etc and I think they have to be treated as such.

Of course people should stay out of the cycle path and keep their dogs, kids and grannies under control, but they won't and expecting them not to is probably, imo, the key to enjoying what is one of the few decent bits of cycling infrastructure we have.

monument

Both are designed poorly in parts.

07Lapierre

So to sum up....
1. If you cycle in the dark, make sure your lighs are working
2. Don't block cycle lanes.
3. If you want to cycle fast, cycle on the ROAD!
(leave the cycle paths to the kids, pedestrians, dogs, joggers, walkers, etc.)

DePurpereWolf

I don't like the ! in Number 3. It shouldn't be there. It's a cycle path, not a playground.
You might replace is with:
3. always cycle in a safe manner
4. If you want to cycle fast but there are too many annoyances on that particular cycle path you might also want to consider the road instead if you would like.

07Lapierre

Meh! Takes too long to type.. I prefer the "!"

manwithaplan

07Lapierre wrote: »

(leave the cycle paths to ... dogs, joggers...

Anyone like to guess how I scanned that?

I cycle that stretch at night and it is very dodgy indeed. Glad no-one got hurt.

07Lapierre

manwithaplan wrote: »

Anyone like to guess how I scanned that?

I cycle that stretch at night and it is very dodgy indeed. Glad no-one got hurt.

Yep ....

munsterleinster

Plenty of ar$ehole cyclists on this route. Ride it a few times a week and still surprized by the attitude of a few.
Pinnacle of dickishness was during a charity fun run on a Sunday morning where a roadie believed the path was his god given right and oncoming runners had to avoid him and his shouts.

Lumen wrote: »

If such a situation is causing you to almost crash, you are going too fast for the reach of your own lights.
.....using the rule stated above.

Rule? Get down off that high horse.
You can hardly see a bloody thing with all the misaligned headlights of the oncoming traffic.
NCT my hole.

Lumen

munsterleinster wrote: »

Rule? Get down off that high horse.
You can hardly see a bloody thing with all the misaligned headlights of the oncoming traffic.
NCT my hole.

High horse? You wha'?

If you can't see where you're going then sooner or later you're going to have a serious accident.

Chris O Donoghue

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

painting a lovely picture of mtbers there :rolleyes: and im sure every roadie in france is an angel haha im a mtber and bullying pre adolescent children is one of my many pastimes, great craic sure

Well, you can't really do proper kid-bullying here, not enough of them on the paths, Italy is the place for it:) You get extra points if they drop their ice cream

Dermot Illogical

munsterleinster wrote: »

Pinnacle of dickishness was during a charity fun run on a Sunday morning where a roadie believed the path was his god given right and oncoming runners had to avoid him and his shouts.

On the cycle track? How dare he??

hardCopy

RT66 wrote: »

munsterleinster wrote: »

Pinnacle of dickishness was during a charity fun run on a Sunday morning where a roadie believed the path was his god given right and oncoming runners had to avoid him and his shouts.

On the cycle track? How dare he??

What idiot would organise a fun run on a cycle track?

cdaly_

munsterleinster wrote: »

You can hardly see a bloody thing with all the misaligned headlights of the oncoming traffic.
NCT my hole.

You'll find that these 'misaligned' headlights are not misaligned at all. The dipped beam pattern of car headlights is intended to light up signs an the left hand ditch while not dazzling oncoming traffic on the right.

On the Clontarf cycle path, you're to the left of oncoming traffic so you're in the dipped beam pattern.

mldub

Me again, can I say I'm shocked that someone would suggest I added a curse to my post just to make it more interesting. Although I didn't hear the curse myself, my 8 year old told me what she heard and that's what I believed. We don't curse in our house so she is just not used to that language and I don't think that she made it up! Anyway I think that the best option for me is to stay away from the cycle lanes in the dark. Maybe all you strong men can carry two bikes down 3 steps at the one time, I'm not a weak woman but I just couldn't manage it. The wall at the exit is not high enough to lean the bike against so from now on we'll stick with cycling during daylight. And by the way I didn't think my lights were weak but they weren't the most expensive so you probably get what you pay for.
To the cyclist who owned up, thanks for coming onto the boards and explaining your actions. We'll just leave it that we'll avoid each other from now on and I won't use the cycle lane in the dark...

Bluefoam

mldub wrote: »

Me again, can I say I'm shocked that someone would suggest I added a curse to my post just to make it more interesting. Although I didn't hear the curse myself, my 8 year old told me what she heard and that's what I believed. We don't curse in our house so she is just not used to that language and I don't think that she made it up! Anyway I think that the best option for me is to stay away from the cycle lanes in the dark. Maybe all you strong men can carry two bikes down 3 steps at the one time, I'm not a weak woman but I just couldn't manage it. The wall at the exit is not high enough to lean the bike against so from now on we'll stick with cycling during daylight. And by the way I didn't think my lights were weak but they weren't the most expensive so you probably get what you pay for.
To the cyclist who owned up, thanks for coming onto the boards and explaining your actions. We'll just leave it that we'll avoid each other from now on and I won't use the cycle lane in the dark...

Thats very self rightious of you. Stay angry! & never admit that even a slight portion of the blame might weigh on your side. :rolleyes:

Wheely GR8

OP you could always try a kickstand on your bike ,it might suit your needs with the little one better. Leaving a bike on the ground in the dark is asking for trouble.

Lusk Doyle

I wouldn't say to stay away from there during the darkness. Rather, take the other view and simply be aware of your surroundings and the potential hazards (yourself and others included) in that area.

TO fail to prepare is to prepare to fail. Now that you know what goes on there you should be able to act accordingly and help prevent a repeat occurance in the future.

Lets all be friends :pac:

munsterleinster

cdaly_ wrote: »

You'll find that these 'misaligned' headlights are not misaligned at all. The dipped beam pattern of car headlights is intended to light up signs an the left hand ditch while not dazzling oncoming traffic on the right.

On the Clontarf cycle path, you're to the left of oncoming traffic so you're in the dipped beam pattern.

No. Was cycling from Howth to Kilbarrack road. Oncoming cars were on the right.
Also just as bad last night cycling on Malahide road at the unlit stretches near CJ's house.