Electric Vehicles available in Ireland?

MiissTL

Hi all,

Does anybody know of all the electric vehicles that area available in Ireland at the minute.

I know the Renault Fluence is coming next year.

Sesshoumaru

http://www.renault-ze.com/en-ie/z.e.-range-2482.html

http://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/leaf/

Those are the vehicles from major manufacturers that are available now or very soon.

beazee

Total registered by make:
Nissan LEAF - 43
Mitsubishi I-MIEV - 15

By County:
Clare - 2
Cork - 1
Dublin - 29
Galway - 4
Kerry - 2
Kildare - 1
Kilkenny - 1
Laois - 1
Limerick - 2
Mayo - 1
Sligo - 1
Waterford - 2
Westmeath - 1
Wexford - 5
Wicklow - 5

http://www.beepbeep.ie/stats/
Last Updated: 31st October 2011

Sesshoumaru

beazee wrote: »

Total registered by make:
Nissan LEAF - 43
Mitsubishi I-MIEV - 15

By County:
Clare - 2
Cork - 1
Dublin - 29
Galway - 4
Kerry - 2
Kildare - 1
Kilkenny - 1
Laois - 1
Limerick - 2
Mayo - 1
Sligo - 1
Waterford - 2
Westmeath - 1
Wexford - 5
Wicklow - 5

http://www.beepbeep.ie/stats/
Last Updated: 31st October 2011

Oh yeah I forgot about the Mitsubishi. Citroen and Peugeot will resell that EV under their own badge as well.

demanufactured

Lol electric cars

Sesshoumaru

demanufactured wrote: »

Lol electric cars

He who laughs last, laughs longest

Mr Benevolent

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

He who laughs last, laughs longest

...or gets stuck in the middle of nowhere in a discharged Leaf. Seriously, this like like an atheist trying to convince monks to abandon their life of dedication to the holy temple of petrol and noise. Maybe we do need the electric car forum after all, you can preach in there

Soarer

After reading this thread, I went looking (internetting) at the Leaf.

They're €30k here.
Had a look on Autotrader, and they can be gotten for asking of £21k...€24270 today on XE.com.
Checked the VRT calculator, and the VRT comes in at a princely €0!

Don't know what the story is with VAT. I remember the government, in all sorts of contraventions with EU law, won't recognise you paid VAT on the UK side and make you pay it on this side. So I assume that involves claiming back the UK money and paying here?

So say travel and VAT difference cost an extra €2000, you're still saving well over €3k on the Irish price. Does that sound right?

Soarer

Confab wrote: »

...or gets stuck in the middle of nowhere in a discharged Leaf.

To be fair, that could happen in any car if you run out of fuel "in the middle of nowhere".

deman

Looking forward to seeing the Fisker Karma.

Sesshoumaru

Confab wrote: »

...or gets stuck in the middle of nowhere in a discharged Leaf. Seriously, this like like an atheist trying to convince monks to abandon their life of dedication to the holy temple of petrol and noise. Maybe we do need the electric car forum after all, you can preach in there

I'd miss all the constructive criticism I get in here Anyways my point was no one can predict the future with 100% accuracy. As someone who works as an IT Professional I'm prepared for the possibility that this technology won't take off or will be superseded by something better. It's a bit early for anyone to claim their favored technology has triumphed.

For Forks Sake

Soarer wrote: »

Had a look on Autotrader, and they can be gotten for asking of £21k...€24270 today on XE.com.

Thats the market rate, you won't get that from the banks when you go to transfer

makeorbrake

Soarer wrote: »

They're €30k here.
Had a look on Autotrader, and they can be gotten for asking of £21k...€24270 today on XE.com.
Checked the VRT calculator, and the VRT comes in at a princely €0!

Can you still get the €5k grant/rebate on top of that?...or are these used models?

There was someone on Newstalk earlier this afternoon suggesting that the outlay could be justified when mileage of 40k could be reached. Anyone care to comment on this?

Also, I wondered if anyone had a list of the current network of charging points in the country??

L1011

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I'd miss all the constructive criticism I get in here Anyways my point was no one can predict the future with 100% accuracy. As someone who works as an IT Professional I'm prepared for the possibility that this technology won't take off or will be superseded by something better. It's a bit early for anyone to claim their favored technology has triumphed.

As an IT professional you'd presumably also see how little Lithium battery technology has improved despite 15 years of every device maker throwing cash at it.

pajo1981

MYOB wrote: »

As an IT professional you'd presumably also see how little Lithium battery technology has improved despite 15 years of every device maker throwing cash at it.

The batteries used in electronic devices are not the same as those used in e-cars. The latest lithium batteries have up to double the charge capacity per weight compared to the type used now in e-cars -but are not used due to cost.

lar203

i live 80k from my job so thats 160 km round trip ,at the minute i have a 1.4 fiesta to keep the fuel cost down .
if i tought one of these cars would make it up and down id buy one

Sesshoumaru

MYOB wrote: »

As an IT professional you'd presumably also see how little Lithium battery technology has improved despite 15 years of every device maker throwing cash at it.

That's your opinion, how much cash do you think has been spent by private companies on battery research? It can't compare to what the US is funding now.

http://gas2.org/2009/08/05/obama-unveils-largest-ever-investment-in-advanced-batteries/

unkel

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

He who laughs last, laughs longest

I would say that too if I just received a €5,000.00 gift from the tax payer

With the giant subsidy, if you do a reasonably high mileage, but mostly within range and don't mind the occasional waiting times and do your proper trip planning on longer trips, then an EV like the Leaf might very well work out for you financially given the very cheap per km variable costs (at night rates or again at free rates )

Anyway, I for one appreciate your posting here and keeping us informed and updated. Although it's unlikely I'll ever cross over to the dark side myself

September1

lar203 wrote: »

i live 80k from my job so thats 160 km round trip ,at the minute i have a 1.4 fiesta to keep the fuel cost down .
if i tought one of these cars would make it up and down id buy one

That is a bit too much for one charge with LEAF, you might need to charge at work. Range is up to 160km, however it depends on plenty of things.

Your UK LEAF must have 6000km AND 6 month of age to be not liable for VAT in Ireland. Not really a problem, as mileage is not a big issue with EV cars - they have much less mechanically or thermally stressed parts. UK LEAF comes with 10A EVSE which allows you to charge any modern place in Ireland.

After about 5kkms I have not been stuck in LEAF once. EVs are not perfect but fuelling is advantage, one less thing to remember. I went also couple times on Dublin to Galway route and no issue there too, but definitely slower than ICE as you need to charge on the way.

makeorbrake

September1 wrote: »

Dublin to Galway route and no issue there too, but definitely slower than ICE as you need to charge on the way.

Is there a map showing a network of charging stations (or the beginnings of a network of charging stations)?

ltdslipdiff

Charge map -

http://www.esb.ie/electric-cars/electric-car-charging/electric-car-charge-point-map.jsp

Went for a spin in a Fluence ZE today, it was an experience !!!!

makeorbrake

lar203 wrote: »

i live 80k from my job so thats 160 km round trip ,at the minute i have a 1.4 fiesta to keep the fuel cost down .
if i tought one of these cars would make it up and down id buy one

+1. Only half as bad as that (80k roundtrip) - but in the same way, trying to keep the cost of that to a minimum (running a 1.4 TDCi) ....but that's still €3K/year on fuel alone.

Not there yet - but it looks like the switch to EV will be closer than I had thought...

L1011

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

That's your opinion, how much cash do you think has been spent by private companies on battery research? It can't compare to what the US is funding now.

http://gas2.org/2009/08/05/obama-unveils-largest-ever-investment-in-advanced-batteries/

Electronics makers have spent decades and billions - when money was worth more - developing battery tech. It hasn't improved more than marginally in ten years. Also, based on US govt. procurement works, of that "1.5 billion", about 400 million or less will actually get spent on research - the 2.4bn covers a lot of things completely unrelated to batteries.

Its quite clear you can't take criticism of EV tech, solely due to having an EV. Be it about their lack of practicality or the fact that the technology has been claimed to be only minorly away from improving for ten years, without said improvement, or that virtually all of our electricity comes from and will continue to come from fossil fuels, it all gets hit with claims of "opinion" and outright denials.

Take the blindfold off once in a while.

pajo1981 wrote: »

The batteries used in electronic devices are not the same as those used in e-cars. The latest lithium batteries have up to double the charge capacity per weight compared to the type used now in e-cars -but are not used due to cost.

They're not used due to incredible fire and explosion risk, not cost. The cars are already generally being subsidised by governments worldwide, cost isn't the problem.

Higher capacity lithium cells are not safe for use in something which runs a risk of being crashed or crashed in to.

Sesshoumaru

MYOB wrote: »

Electronics makers have spent decades and billions - when money was worth more - developing battery tech. It hasn't improved more than marginally in ten years. Also, based on US govt. procurement works, of that "1.5 billion", about 400 million or less will actually get spent on research - the 2.4bn covers a lot of things completely unrelated to batteries.

Its quite clear you can't take criticism of EV tech, solely due to having an EV. Be it about their lack of practicality or the fact that the technology has been claimed to be only minorly away from improving for ten years, without said improvement, or that virtually all of our electricity comes from and will continue to come from fossil fuels, it all gets hit with claims of "opinion" and outright denials.

Take the blindfold off once in a while.

I don't see where you've done anything other than express your opinion??? As for the rest of it, I'm happy to debate facts and I'm happy you're entitled to your personal opinions.

Your criticism of me was a bit out of the blue though, not sure how it related to the thread

Merry Christmas everyone!

L1011

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I don't see where you've done anything other than express your opinion??? As for the rest of it, I'm happy to debate facts and I'm happy you're entitled to your personal opinions.

My point exactly. Set of actual facts showing EVs are impractical and generally a con and you claim its "opinion".

Owen

Not to mention there's been a report released in the States which shows that each Chevy Volt (Only a Hybrid) has cost individually in subsidies over 250,000 dollars. The Prius is out about 10 years now, and is still a complete fad. No one's bought them in volume, and electric cars will suffer the same fate.