Rules question

abouttobebanned

When you are about to tee off, have placed your ball on the tee and are taking a few practice swings...is there any scenario where your driver can touch the ball without incurring a penalty or being deemed as a shot?

PRAF

There's no penalty in this situation provided you weren't making a stroke.


11-3 - Ball Falling off Tee

If a ball, when not in play, falls off a tee or is knocked off a tee by the player in addressing it, it may be re-teed, without penalty. However, if a stroke is made at the ball in these circumstances, whether the ball is moving or not, the stroke counts, but there is no penalty.

abouttobebanned

Got ya.

Always wondered about this. Was watching Gregory bourdy this morning and he teed up the ball, addressed it, tapped it with the top of the driver and then struck. Was just curious.

Thanks

anticonno16

I think this rule should be changed. If you touch the ball then it's a penalty OR apply same principle to all shots.

Trampas

when the ball falls off the tee everyone playing in the group myself say 1 or else 1 shot penalty to everyone

denishurley

Trampas wrote: »

when the ball falls off the tee everyone playing in the group myself say 1 or else 1 shot penalty to everyone

What?

Trampas

denishurley wrote: »

What?

Do you not know that rule.

acejeff

Trampas wrote: »

when the ball falls off the tee everyone playing in the group myself say 1 or else 1 shot penalty to everyone

I love the way everyone always says "one" then laughs as if it's the first time ever it has been said!

denishurley

Trampas wrote: »

Do you not know that rule.

If I could understand what you wrote then maybe I might

jod1983

New question.....

Played Killarney Killeen today and in brillant condition after the last 2 days of torrent rain.
Question is........ A member of our group lands in water, about 2 foot outside the red markers. Does this count as casual water or not?????

Sorry if this a repeat question..

cackhanded

jod1983 wrote: »

New question.....

Played Killarney Killeen today and in brillant condition after the last 2 days of torrent rain.
Question is........ A member of our group lands in water, about 2 foot outside the red markers. Does this count as casual water or not?????

Sorry if this a repeat question..

Once it's outside the line of the hazard defined by the stakes then it's casual water.

anticonno16

cackhanded wrote: »

jod1983 wrote: »

New question.....

Played Killarney Killeen today and in brillant condition after the last 2 days of torrent rain.
Question is........ A member of our group lands in water, about 2 foot outside the red markers. Does this count as casual water or not?????

Sorry if this a repeat question..

Once it's outside the line of the hazard defined by the stakes then it's casual water.

If you take a jimmy riddle next to your ball and it streams down under the ball, is this casual water?

BoardsMember

Here's another rule question. A ball is in a water hazard, but above water so the player is happy they can make a stroke at the ball and get it out. There is wispy grass in the edge of the hazard around the ball. I'm pretty sure the club cannot touch the wispy grass before or while the player is addressing the ball. I think it is ok for them to touch it when taking the club away. But someone pointed out to me that you cant do this, it would be like touching the sand in a bunker on your takeaway, which you cant do. Any enlightened souls out there in a position to confirm one way or another?

AldilaMan

BoardsMember wrote: »

Here's another rule question. A ball is in a water hazard, but above water so the player is happy they can make a stroke at the ball and get it out. There is wispy grass in the edge of the hazard around the ball. I'm pretty sure the club cannot touch the wispy grass before or while the player is addressing the ball. I think it is ok for them to touch it when taking the club away. But someone pointed out to me that you cant do this, it would be like touching the sand in a bunker on your takeaway, which you cant do. Any enlightened souls out there in a position to confirm one way or another?

Correct. You cannot touch the wispy grass on the backstroke. The only time you can make contact with it is when you play the stroke on the downsing as you make contact with the ball.

PhilipMarlowe

AldilaMan wrote: »

Correct. You cannot touch the wispy grass on the backstroke. The only time you can make contact with it is when you play the stroke on the downsing as you make contact with the ball.

Um no. There's no penalty for touching the grass in a water hazard so long as you're not improving your lie or grounding your club.
Look at the note to rule 13-4, also see 13-2 and a few of the decisions like 13-4/4, 13-4-8

This link will show you rule 14-4 and decision 13-4/4 together...
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules%20and%20Amateur%20Status/Rules%20of%20Golf.aspx#/rules/?ruleNum=13&subRuleNum=4&decisionId=F50ED2AD-7EC9-4A9D-B57D-8DEEA60214C3

Jul3s

anticonno16 wrote: »

If you take a jimmy riddle next to your ball and it streams down under the ball, is this casual water?

No it's not casual water, but it is an instant disqualification for stupidity.

AldilaMan

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

Um no. There's no penalty for touching the grass in a water hazard so long as you're not improving your lie or grounding your club.
Look at the note to rule 13-4, also see 13-2 and a few of the decisions like 13-4/4, 13-4-8

This link will show you rule 14-4 and decision 13-4/4 together...
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules%20and%20Amateur%20Status/Rules%20of%20Golf.aspx#/rules/?ruleNum=13&subRuleNum=4&decisionId=F50ED2AD-7EC9-4A9D-B57D-8DEEA60214C3

Sorry, I was thinking of the Brian Davis incident in the Verizon Heritage where he called a two shot penalty on himself. I thought it was for touching the grass on his backsing but it was for moving a twig (loose impediment) on his backswing.

I stand corrected

golf nut

What way is a countback done

pcasso

golf nut wrote: »

What way is a countback done

Last nine, last six, last three and probably after that last one I think

brousuka

pcasso wrote: »

Last nine, last six, last three and probably after that last one I think

Yep and if still tied it goes to the front 9, 6 and three etc.

golf nut

Ok tks

PhilipMarlowe

Usually.
There is a guideline to countback in the rules, but it's only a guide, not a rule and the committee sets out the way it's done at your course or for that competition.

11. How to Decide Ties
In both match play and stroke play, a tie can be an acceptable result. However, when it is desired to have a sole winner, the Committee has the authority, under Rule 33-6, to determine how and when a tie is decided.The decision should be published in advance.
The R&A recommends:

Match Play
A match that ends all square should be played off hole by hole until one side wins a hole.The play-off should start on the hole where the match began. In a handicap match, handicap strokes should be allowed as in the stipulated round.

Stroke Play

• In the event of a tie in a scratch stroke play competition, a play-off is recommended. The play-off may be over 18 holes or a smaller number of holes as specified by the Committee. If that is not feasible or there is still a tie, a hole-by-hole play-off is recommended.
• In the event of a tie in a handicap stroke play competition, a play-off with handicaps is recommended. The play-off may be over 18 holes or a smaller number of holes as specified by the Committee. It is recommended that any such play-off consist of at least three holes.
• In competitions where the handicap stroke allocation table is not relevant, if the play-off is less than 18 holes, the percentage of 18 holes played should be applied to the players’ handicaps to determine their play-off handicaps. Handicap stroke fractions of one half stroke or more should count as a full stroke and any lesser fraction should be disregarded.
• In competitions where the handicap stroke table is relevant, such as four-ball stroke play and bogey, par and Stableford competitions, handicap strokes should be taken as they were assigned for the competition using the players’ respective stroke allocation table(s).
• If a play-off of any type is not feasible, matching score cards is recommended. The method of matching cards should be announced in advance and should also provide what will happen if this procedure does not produce a winner. An acceptable method of matching cards is to determine the winner on the basis of the best score for the last nine holes. If the tying players have the same score for the last nine, determine the winner on the basis of the last six holes, last three holes and finally the 18th hole. If this method is used in a competition with a multiple tee start, it is recommended that the “last nine holes, last six holes, etc.” is considered to be holes 10-18, 13-18, etc.
• For competitions where the handicap stroke table is not relevant, such as individual stroke play, if the last nine, last six, last three holes scenario is used, one-half, one-third, one-sixth, etc. of the handicaps should be deducted from the score for those holes. In terms of the use of fractions in such deductions, the Committee should act in accordance with the recommendations of the relevant handicapping authority.
• In competitions where the handicap stroke table is relevant, such as four-ball stroke play and bogey, par and Stableford competitions, handicap strokes should be taken as they were assigned for the competition, using the players’ respective stroke allocation table(s).