Alot to be said for old school methods !!!

thirstywork2

This video will show you how old school the kenyans are.Hard work can get you far and keep things simple.
the video is focused on kiprop the World champion at 1500m.
Look how weak some of them are at basic things like jumping small hurdles.
I remember James Nolan's old coach Brendan Hackett saying he was giving a talk to the kenyans on strength work and had Noah Ngeny give a demonstration of press ups and he couldn't even do one.this is a guy who has ran 3.28.12 and Gold in the Olympics 1500m.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUMqOEDhLkU&feature=feedu

My question is strength training over rated ???

BobMac104

run run and run more so ??

not being able to do one pushup though is a bit mad.

shels4ever

BobMac104 wrote: »

run run and run more so ??

not being able to do one pushup though is a bit mad.

I'd take not been able to do more then 1 push up if I had a 3:28 1500m

ThePiedPiper

Far from glamourous but absolutely effective. I spent a few weeks working and training in Embu, Kenya a few years back. Myself and a Kenyan lad used to do a few trail runs and track work before hitting the buildling site at 7.30. When it was still dark in the morning, the forest trails and beat up old running track were always busy. It was amazing. And Embu, though in the Rift Valley, has no massive culture for running. It's so much part of normal life over there and because they do it the hard way, at altitude and on poor terrain, they're unbeatable at sea level track and roads.

thirtyfoot

Strength training is old school training. Not like it was invented in the last 10 years.

YFlyer

thirstywork2 wrote: »

Noah Ngeny give a demonstration of press ups and he couldn't even do one.this is a guy who has ran 3.28.12 and Gold in the Olympics 1500m.

Was this after his accident?

thirstywork2

YFlyer wrote: »

Was this after his accident?

Was in his prime....

YFlyer

I just read that he didn't like training much.

Pherekydes

Specificity is underrated.

Strength is important, but Distance runners don't need a lot of upper body strength.

ss43

thirstywork2 wrote: »

This video will show you how old school the kenyans are.Hard work can get you far and keep things simple.
the video is focused on kiprop the World champion at 1500m.
Look how weak some of them are at basic things like jumping small hurdles.
I remember James Nolan's old coach Brendan Hackett saying he was giving a talk to the kenyans on strength work and had Noah Ngeny give a demonstration of press ups and he couldn't even do one.this is a guy who has ran 3.28.12 and Gold in the Olympics 1500m.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUMqOEDhLkU&feature=feedu

My question is strength training over rated ???

They could also be weak at basic things like running also. Apart from Asbel, is there anyone of any note in that group?

I'd wonder at the value of a lot of that that stuff.

In my opinion, jumping hurdles they way did would not be beneficial
If they're going to pull a tire it's surely a power exercise so 3-400m is a bit long and most seem to lose their form while doing it.

They look like they haven't done this much (at all) before but there's nobody coaching the session. I can't see how they're going to get it good enough to be of any benefit to them. Proper strength training would be very good, this stuff - I'd have my doubts.

thirstywork2

ss43 wrote: »

They could also be weak at basic things like running also. Apart from Asbel, is there anyone of any note in that group?

I'd wonder at the value of a lot of that that stuff.

In my opinion, jumping hurdles they way did would not be beneficial
If they're going to pull a tire it's surely a power exercise so 3-400m is a bit long and most seem to lose their form while doing it.

They look like they haven't done this much (at all) before but there's nobody coaching the session. I can't see how they're going to get it good enough to be of any benefit to them. Proper strength training would be very good, this stuff - I'd have my doubts.

I will get back to you about who is in the group part.They seem to be carrying the tyre with a piece of string that isn't even tied around kiprop hence he runs in a very upright position to keep it on and sometimes adjusting with his hand.The hurdles/plyometrics are around for years and help for sure,especially in sprints and middle distance running.

Can you tell us what proper strength training is?

ss43

thirstywork2 wrote: »

I will get back to you about who is in the group part.They seem to be carrying the tyre with a piece of string that isn't even tied around kiprop hence he runs in a very upright position to keep it on and sometimes adjusting with his hand.The hurdles/plyometrics are around for years and help for sure,especially in sprints and middle distance running.

Can you tell us what proper strength training is?

Stuff that builds your strength and power moreso than endurance is what middle distance runners need.

As a base, stuff like sit-up and pilates are good (and should always be there).
Weights are great. Olympic lifts and some other free weights. I wouldn't bother with machines generally unless there was some very specific weakness to be addressed.

With weights, you need to challenge the nervous system so heavy weights and low reps are the way to go. You don't want to add bulk, a little bit extra around the hips is ok, but in general you're trying to build as much strength as possible without adding weight.

If a decent level of strength has been plyometrics are good. You need to be strong and know what you're doing though. They can be dangerous. Maurice Greene didn't do plyometrics (although when he ran fast every step would have been a plyometric so maybe that's why he didn't need them).

With the hurdle jumps those guys were doing there was very little bounce. They seemed more concerned with picking their feet up over the hurdles rather than using enough power to get their hips up and have their feet just float over.

That's how I see it anyway.

BobMac104

ss43 wrote: »

.......With weights, you need to challenge the nervous system so heavy weights and low reps are the way to go. You don't want to add bulk, a little bit extra around the hips is ok,
way......

I thought that was a sure way to add bulk no? Low reps high weights.

ss43

BobMac104 wrote: »

I thought that was a sure way to add bulk no? Low reps high weights.

To put it very simply (there could be some crossover)

Low reps - heavy weights - gets the nervous system working better. Not great at explaining the details but your brain send better messages to the muscle fibres so you get stronger and can lift heavier weights.

High reps, light weights - endurance. Won't increase size or strength.

Medium weights, medium reps - bulks you up.

Found this on google - http://weighttraining.about.com/od/succeedingwithweights/a/weights_faq.htm

BobMac104

interesting thanks.