2012 2nd Round pick

sharachow

If there is any way we can get multiple second round picks I say we pull the trigger. If we can trade down and still be able to dradt Barkley, Jones, or Griffin while getting an additional second round pick I'll be ecstatic.

Main Moves I'll like to see this offseason:

Trade down to the 5-10 range in the first round select Barkley, Jones, or Griffin and gain an additional 2nd.

Draft Dwayne Allen and Brandon Jenkins with the two second round picks draft mostly defensive players and OL help throughout the rest of the draft.

Sign Desean Jackson and Mckenzie/Grubbs

What do you think? I think this can be pretty realistic. The rookie wage scale only helps us.

Syferus

Even though you forgot to mention your team or even the basic conceit (i.e. not drafting Luck), no one who needs a QB will pass on Luck, no matter the value. You don't pass on the best college prospect in the last decade or more in the hope that you'll be ok with another QB and an extra second round player.

Dohnny Jepp

the only way the colts trade down from luck is if they get a teams 1 2 3 for 2 years. Or a 1 1 1 for 3 years.

According to NFL.com, colts are gonna try trade manning and fully commit to luck

McG

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

the only way the colts trade down from luck is if they get a teams 1 2 3 for 2 years. Or a 1 1 1 for 3 years.

According to NFL.com, colts are gonna try trade manning and fully commit to luck

Have to admit I'd be in favour of that. The Colts are bad all over the field right now and Manning may have it in him to win another superbowl or two but not with the Colts. I'd like to see us take Luck at #1 and see what teams are willing to offer us for Manning. When you think about what the Benglas got for Palmer I'd love to see what Manning is worth.

Paully D

Any idea what sides would go for Manning if the Colts were to trade? I'd imagine loads would be interested, but who would be the leading candidates?

Chucky the tree

Paully D wrote: »

Any idea what sides would go for Manning if the Colts were to trade? I'd imagine loads would be interested, but who would be the leading candidates?

Jets,Raven and 49ers should be all over that trade.

Syferus

Paully D wrote: »

Any idea what sides would go for Manning if the Colts were to trade? I'd imagine loads would be interested, but who would be the leading candidates?

With the rookie cap and Manning's contract locked in, if he's healthy enough to go then there's no chance they'll just deal their current franchise QB immediately. They'll load the decks with both of them and make sure Luck is ready to go the year after, or later. The new cap means teams can sit on first round QBs more effectively than every before.

And none of the teams mentioned by Chucky would go for a Manning next year unless their fortunes completely flatlined. Flacco and Sanchez are good young QBs with very impressive play-off credentials and the 49ers are finally seeing the intelligence that made them draft Alex Smith in the first place, not to mention having spent an early-round pick on Colin Kaepernick this off-season.

Dodge

Syferus wrote: »

Flacco and Sanchez are good young QBs with very impressive play-off credentials

I think both are average quarter backs with fantastic defences, coaches and O-lines around them, and Manning would be a huge upgrade on both of them of he returned to 70% of his pre-2011 level

Chucky the tree

Syferus wrote: »

And none of the teams mentioned by Chucky would go for a Manning next year unless their fortunes completely flatlined. Flacco and Sanchez are good young QBs with very impressive play-off credentials and the 49ers are finally seeing the intelligence that made them draft Alex Smith in the first place, not to mention having spent an early-round pick on Colin Kaepernick this off-season.

Sanchez career stats are 55% 6.7 yard per throw, 43TD's, 43Ints and a 72.9 rating. flacco is better, but I don't think he is where Ravens would like him to be and Manning would be a massive upgrade over both. Not to mention that having both guys sit behind Manning for a few years can't be horrible for either player aswell. I'm not sure on Smith, he's been in a great position with an elite defense and run game but he's not been asked to throw much yet. Again, Kaepernick can only benefit from learning from Manning and I don't think he'll be starting next year anyway. 49ers would be the least likely of the three though. End of the Manning won't go to a team who isn't in a strong position so I'm not sure where else he would end up.

Syferus

Dodge wrote: »

I think both are average quarter backs with fantastic defences, coaches and O-lines around them, and Manning would be a huge upgrade on both of them of he returned to 70% of his pre-2011 level

Sanchez, despite recent troubles, has been in the midst of his best year, whereas anyone can tell you Flacco has every tool needed to be a successful QB. It's way too soon to give up on either, it's not a question of Manning being an upgrade on them. No one wants to be the team trading a Drew Brees away.

Like I said, it'll take the team flat-lining (which seems more likely for the Jets than the Ravens) for the team to give up on their QB.

Chucky the tree

Syferus wrote: »

Sanchez, despite recent troubles, has been in the midst of his best year, whereas anyone can tell you Flacco has every tool needed to be a successful QB. It's way too soon to give up on either, it's not a question of Manning being an upgrade on them. No one wants to be the team trading a Drew Brees away.

Like I said, it'll take the team flat-lining (which seems more likely for the Jets than the Ravens) for the team to give up on their QB.

Who said about giving up on them? Take Manning for two years and let Sanchez/Flacco sit and learn for those two years. Not many teams want to limp along with Byron Leftwich before accepting the obvious either. Ravens are in a tough spot, replacing Lewis and Reed will be huge ask.

Syferus

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Who said about giving up on them? Take Manning for two years and let Sanchez/Flacco sit and learn for those two years. Not many teams want to limp along with Byron Leftwich before accepting the obvious either. Ravens are in a tough spot, replacing Lewis and Reed will be huge ask.

Do you really think either team could afford to sit a QB (Flacco in his final year of his rookie contract and Sanchez in his second to last, both contracts made before the new rookie cap) and bring in a huge contract like Manning? Let alone the fact that both players being all but guaranteed to jump ship were their teams to outright replace them as starters. Both would be upgrades for plenty of teams in the NFL.

Where exactly in the history of the NFL has that actually worked? These are QBs that will be entering their prime in the next 2-3 years, they're not going to be sitting on the bench anywhere unless they make an absolute mess of things and neither has.

The Cardinals ended up doing what you're suggesting ad-hoc with Leinhart and Warner, but that hardly was a success when they had to release him before he even got a chance to start for his team again.

I'd love the hilarity of the Colts' messiah ending up in Baltimore, though.

Dodge

Syferus wrote: »

Like I said, it'll take the team flat-lining (which seems more likely for the Jets than the Ravens) for the team to give up on their QB.

Brees was producing consistently for SD though. The pressure to start their number one pick was the key there, not underperformance

Sanchez has 2.5 seasons under him, FLacco 3.5. IMO they haven't shown enough improvement

And as I said, I believe they're average. Not bad, easily NFL starters. But they both could be replaced with a better QB

Chucky the tree

Syferus wrote: »

Do you really think either team could afford to sit a QB (Flacco in his final year of his rookie contract and Sanchez in his second to last, both contracts made before the new rookie cap) and bring in a huge contract like Manning? Let alone the fact that both players being all but guaranteed to jump ship were their teams to outright replace them as starters. Both would be upgrades for plenty of teams in the NFL.

Where exactly in the history of the NFL has that actually worked? These are QBs that will be entering their prime in the next 2-3 years, they're not going to be sitting on the bench anywhere unless they make an absolute mess of things and neither has.

The Cardinals ended up doing what you're suggesting ad-hoc with Leinhart and Warner, but that hardly was a success when they had to release him before he even got a chance to start for his team again.

I'd love the hilarity of the Colts' messiah ending up in Baltimore, though.

Not sure how Manning contract will work, he'll have to re work it. No team will touch him with that contract and his neck injury. I think Colts have an option to only take a year on it or something. If Flacco and Sanchez won't sit then I'd happily let them walk, especially Sanchez who has been nothign but average so far. He won't have a cue of teams lining up to sign him, certainly no ones who he can pigback on into the play-offs. Again If Flacco is to walk then let him. How many play-off teams would consider both QB's an upgrade?



Here's a list of teams who wouldn't touch either:
Pats
Bills
Steelers
Bengals
Jags
Texans
Colts
Raiders
Chargers
Chiefs
Giants
Eagles
Packers
Lions
Bears
Vikings
Saints
bucs
Panthers
49ers
Rams

Doesn't leave much choice really.

Dohnny Jepp

An injured manning in my opinion is still the best qb in the league. at 100% he's twice as good as anyone else.


I think all teams who dont have an elite QB like Brees Rodgers Brady enquire.

If you have Manning you have a chance at the SB

Syferus

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Not sure how Manning contract will work, he'll have to re work it. No team will touch him with that contract and his neck injury. I think Colts have an option to only take a year on it or something. If Flacco and Sanchez won't sit then I'd happily let them walk, especially Sanchez who has been nothign but average so far. He won't have a cue of teams lining up to sign him, certainly no ones who he can pigback on into the play-offs. Again If Flacco is to walk then let him. How many play-off teams would consider both QB's an upgrade?



Here's a list of teams who wouldn't touch either:
Pats
Bills
Steelers
Bengals
Jags
Texans
Colts
Raiders
Chargers
Chiefs
Giants
Eagles
Packers
Lions
Bears
Vikings
Saints
bucs
Panthers
49ers
Rams

Doesn't leave much choice really.

The Chiefs and Jags would be very interested in either and there's plenty of other teams like the Seahawks, Cardinals and Titans that would be very tempted by a cut-price experienced, young QB.

But the fact remains both won't even be available as it's highly unlikely Manning leaves Indy if he's fit and even then it's unlikely a team with guys they've invested in - and are generally doing fine - would be all that tempted by a 35 year-old Manning would would need to have serious question marks over his neck to be available to begin with.

Dodge wrote: »

Brees was producing consistently for SD though. The pressure to start their number one pick was the key there, not underperformance

Sanchez has 2.5 seasons under him, FLacco 3.5. IMO they haven't shown enough improvement

And as I said, I believe they're average. Not bad, easily NFL starters. But they both could be replaced with a better QB

Flacco has been for the last three seasons on of the most efficient QBs in the league, anyone who thinks QB ratings of 80.3, 88.9 and 93.6 for your first three seasons isn't impressive is expecting way too much. Sanchez I'd rate lower than Flacco, but he's also been on a team that runs first (perhaps even more so than the Ravens) and who has never really had a true #1 target to make him look good, Edwards was average at best, Holmes hasn't built on the expectations he laid with last season's late cameos and Buress is a big-body red zone receiver, not a field opener. Both need another season and a half before anyone could realistically suggest switching them out, unless, as I said about twelves times, they continue to nosedive in the second half of the season.