New safety idea. All garage cameras linked into the ANPR system

the culture of deference

I have a New safety idea and wonder will it work.

All garage cameras should be linked into the ANPR system, as most cars need to re fuel at some time.

That way gardai do not have to waste time driving around hopefully trying to catch people that get flagged on the ANPR system.

Strategic Checkpoints could be setup to target the widest areas, and all the gardas have to do is stop the flagged cars.

Also why don't the garda have night time patrols at garages with the AA or RAC and pull cars with defective lights. We know with winter here that lighting is very important, yet the amount of one eyed cars out there, or cars with blazing blinding out of allignment lights, seems to be as bad as previous years.

Henry Ford III

Not a bad idea at all. Snap of the offending driver too possibly?

Mr Benevolent

It's a good idea. Use an encrypted DVR and there'd be no privacy issues.

Jimdagym

Would cost millions to develop. Converting every closed recording system into a remote camera unit. Plus you would need massive centralised monitoring. I suppose the theory is sound but it would be one of the biggest projects in the history of the state to realise it.

BronsonTB

It is a good idea....

But who would pay for the system to be implimented/maintained & supported?

Pretty sure the garage owners would have no interest in such a scheme.
And the gaurds don't have the resources or money to impliment.

Lots of independant garage's without camera's. And if the toe rag was willing to steal the car, I'm pretty sure he'd be quite happy to put 'illegal' fuel in it to.

At the same time, should the new 'saftey' van not also be linked?? Stolen cars getting tracked live on the roads.

the culture of deference

Jimdagym wrote: »

Would cost millions to develop. Converting every closed recording system into a remote camera unit. Plus you would need massive centralised monitoring. I suppose the theory is sound but it would be one of the biggest projects in the history of the state to realise it.

thats the beauty.

ANPR monitors itself, it flags any car not taxed, not insured, not nct'd, and if driver is banned.

mickdw

Would only lead to massive plate cloning growth.

whippet

BronsonTB wrote: »

Lots of independant garage's without camera's. And if the toe rag was willing to steal the car, I'm pretty sure he'd be quite happy to put 'illegal' fuel in it to.
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this wouldn't be for catching stolen cars primarily ... it would be for catching no tax, no insurance & no NCT.

There would probably have to be some legislation put in place to allow for a prosecution considering the car wasn't stopped by a member of the gardai. However, on the cost side of it .. imagine the revenues from automatic fines ... it would probably pay for the system in a couple of years.

Also, to ensure that fines are paid, the fines could be linked to the motor tax due on the car .. until the fine is paid the car can't be taxed. If the fine / tax isn't paid the car can be lifted by any patrol car with ANPR.

This would have then to be linked to the likes of Cartell / motorcheck so that cars can't be sold while fines are outstanding on the reg.

It might seem draconian but probably a necessary evil. In the UK they have these ANPR traps set up around busy towns and every single car is screened for parking fines, tax, insurance and MOT ... don't comply the car is lifted.

There are far too many cars on the roads not insured (probably not taxed or NCTed either) and i would be all for a rigorous guarda enforcement blitz to cull the number of these rogue cars / drivers from the same roads that I am driving on.

KamiKazi

Big brother is watching you.

Henry Ford III

Maybe not garages but entry routes to centres of population?

Gophur

I wonder is the OP smoking something?

1. Who would pay for the installation of such cameras?
2. What would be done with anything flagged up from the cameras?
3. ANPR is absolutely useless at determining if a car's driver is insured.

As for Gardai wasting time? How else do you think they pass their day? Working?

Del2005

the culture of deference wrote: »

I have a New safety idea and wonder will it work.

All garage cameras should be linked into the ANPR system, as most cars need to re fuel at some time.

That way gardai do not have to waste time driving around hopefully trying to catch people that get flagged on the ANPR system.

Strategic Checkpoints could be setup to target the widest areas, and all the gardas have to do is stop the flagged cars.

It would be better if the pumps only activated when the ANPR clears the car. Make them sit in the station till the Gardaí come and seize the vehicle.

the culture of deference wrote: »

Also why don't the garda have night time patrols at garages with the AA or RAC and pull cars with defective lights. We know with winter here that lighting is very important, yet the amount of one eyed cars out there, or cars with blazing blinding out of allignment lights, seems to be as bad as previous years.

They shouldn't need check points for this. They should be pulling them as they are seen and acted on straight away.

Jimdagym wrote: »

Would cost millions to develop. Converting every closed recording system into a remote camera unit. Plus you would need massive centralised monitoring. I suppose the theory is sound but it would be one of the biggest projects in the history of the state to realise it.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Maybe not garages but entry routes to centres of population?

The UK has linked a lot of their CCTV systems into the ANPR system. Can't be that expensive to do.

Absurdum

Del2005 wrote: »

It would be better if the pumps only activated when the ANPR clears the car. Make them sit in the station till the Gardaí come and seize the vehicle.

Who's gonna make me sit in a petrol station because "computer says no"? The spotty shop assistant? lulz, good luck with that

RandomAccess

Number plates are old hat, all cars should have electronic tags like those used on toll roads.
With the right approach plate cloning could be stamped out and untaxed and uninsured drivers swept off the roads.

Those who claim an erosion of their rights under a cctv nation need to get real, if someone wants to track you they wouldn't need to rely on the limited information gathered by this method.

ottostreet

Ah for Gods sake, do ye actually want a police state?

It's not a case of 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you've nothing to worry about'...it's simple monitoring, I am not comfortable with my whereabouts being tracked by the government.

Our man in Havana

Down with this sort of thing!

challengemaster

ottostreet wrote: »

Ah for Gods sake, do ye actually want a police state?

It's not a case of 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you've nothing to worry about'...it's simple monitoring, I am not comfortable with my whereabouts being tracked by the government.

You'd probably start crying if someone told you the actual amount of times per day you appear on CCTV cameras then. :pac:

cadaliac

challengemaster wrote: »

You'd probably start crying if someone told you the actual amount of times per day you appear on CCTV cameras then. :pac:

Does that make it ok?

It's a stupid idea if you ask me.
The country is bad enough without do gooders wanting to patrol the garages for cars with no tax.
FFS. :rolleyes:
There are far more pressing issues for the guards to be dealing with.

ottostreet

challengemaster wrote: »

You'd probably start crying if someone told you the actual amount of times per day you appear on CCTV cameras then. :pac:

Actually, I doubt I appear on CCTV too often, based on where I live. Only when I visit 'de town' would I appear often. Regardless, there's a difference. CCTV is rarely monitored live, by people or a computer system, and is there to safeguard people AFTER a crime/offence. To be monitored in real time by a computer system that will just go 'No, Gardai have been called' is a completely different kettle of fish, and one that would make this country worse than it already is.

eth0

To hell with this big brother stuff. People supporting it are mostly Dubs who think every modern country should have plenty of big brother and electronic tracking measures on its population or be at risk of not being modern anymore.

We don't even have a massive problem with car theft. Motorists are persecuted enough already leave us alone ffs

While we're at it maybe ban motorbikes also and mandatory GPS in everyone's car connected via HSPA that gives you a fine for every 15 seconds spent over the speed limit. After all we're all 100% perfectly obedient drivers here and enjoy sticking to the letter of the law no matter what kind of ridiculous thing gets brought in by the government, we're happy as long as we have someone to obey who is also following our lives, it gives us a sense of belonging.

maidhc

whippet wrote: »

this wouldn't be for catching stolen cars primarily ... it would be for catching no tax, no insurance & no NCT.

As already mentioned the biggest one of those issues is insurance, and you cannot determine if a driver has insurance by the numberplate of the car.

It is not efficient as a method to collect tax compared to just raising the cost of fuel.

NCT is no big deal.

monument

Big brother? LOL! Nobody here has read about our data retention regulations then?

We could just attach the mobile phone networks' systems to the ANPR system and catch people speeding. Or if that was too much, you could take a random selection each month. Joking...

ottostreet wrote: »

Ah for Gods sake, do ye actually want a police state?

It's not a case of 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you've nothing to worry about'...it's simple monitoring, I am not comfortable with my whereabouts being tracked by the government.

You may want to stop carrying a phone around with you then!

eth0

Or turn it off. Reports of the PTB being able to turn on a fully switched off phone remotely are much overblown.

And just because we have one big brother system in place doesn't mean we should add another one. One invasion of privacy doesn't justify the other.

heate

On all of this tax dodging and insurance dodging lark the simple answer instead of those stupid stop for tax hold traffic up situation
If someone owns a damn car and hasn't payed their tax send them a damn letter and if they choose to do nothing about it crush their bloody car same goes for NCT and insurance.

Owen

Why 'new safety idea'? What exactly is the safety aspect here? Health and safety are the two most dangerous words in the English language used to bully absurd policies into place.

No doubt someone'll tell us that it'd remove untaxed vehicles and untested vehicles from the road - but vehicle failure is responsible for a minuscule amount of accidents. Then there's the uninsured, but they'll just drive another uninsured car if caught.

So ... where's the actual safety here?

deandean

I was in Dublin Airport T2 new short term car park last week (most expensive carpark in Ireland? 3 Euro 1st hour and 4.50 hourly thereafter, max 40 daily STAY AWAY :eek: )

Anyways on exit you insert your ticket and you are presented with a bye bye message along with your car registration number.

So this ANPR kit is already in operation in some locations.

I reckon that in 5 years (the way technology goes) ANPR may come as standard on CCTV systems.

blastman

The blue long term car park at the airport has had that for the last couple of years, I'd say. I booked it in advance about 18 months or so ago and when you drive up to the barrier on your way in, it recognises the reg of the car and lifts the barrier automatically.

That's not to say I want a system like that following me around all the time, far from it.

Seth Brundle

the culture of deference wrote: »

thats the beauty.

ANPR monitors itself, it flags any car not taxed, not insured, not nct'd, and if driver is banned.

Just to correct you, it alerts them if the owner is banned. ANPR can't tell who is driving.

dgt

A novel idea but it would lead to more people filling up their cars from jerry cans....

monument

eth0 wrote: »

Or turn it off. Reports of the PTB being able to turn on a fully switched off phone remotely are much overblown.

And just because we have one big brother system in place doesn't mean we should add another one. One invasion of privacy doesn't justify the other.

How much does the average person go around with their phone turned off?

I'm not justifying anything, but just saying that there is a far more comprehensive and invasive system is in place and hardly anybody is blinking an eye lid. This leads me to think that privacy and big brother like state actions isn't the problem, the problem is fear of wide spread enforcement of road traffic laws.