Pan Am 707's

Mister Jingles

Have started to watch the TV series Pan Am lately ( which I'm enjoying ) and was just curious to know if there are any Clipper 707's preserved around the world ? Or any other Pan Am aircraft ?

If not then I assume that their using a 707 that belonged to another airline and have resprayed it ?

Tenger

Mister Jingles wrote: »

If not then I assume that their using a 707 that belonged to another airline and have resprayed it ?

C.G.I.



However I believe they use an actual B707 in a later episode (4+)with titles edited onto it.

Mister Jingles

Tenger wrote: »

C.G.I.



However I believe they use an actual B707 in a later episode (4+)with titles edited onto it.

Oh right , I had an idea that it would of being something to do with computers anyway but I just finished looking at the latest episode there when there in Haiti and I would find it very hard to believe that the 707 is a C.I.G.

BrianD

John Travolta has a 707. http://blog.flightstory.net/45/john-travoltas-boeing-707/

EchoIndia

There are still some former Pan Am 707s in existence. You can see some of them here:
http://tinyurl.com/cdch8x2

Rein-in

BrianD wrote: »

John Travolta has a 707. http://blog.flightstory.net/45/john-travoltas-boeing-707/

If this is to be believed, it looks like it might actually be his that they use later in the series? There's a link to a clearer picture in the article.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/11/05/john-travolta-jet-does-pan-am-in-costume-drama/

xflyer

Certainly all the flying shots are CGI and it makes sense to use Travolta's 707 for the ground shots.

The series itself isn't exactly notable for it's authenticity on the aviation side. Young long haired flight crews in the Pan Am of 1963? I don't think so. The sequence where they pilots argue while approaching Hong Kong in bad weather was hilarious. I know these were the days before human factors and MCC but now we why it was introduced.

But the target audience isn't exactly male aviation enthusiasts. It's a fluffy nostalgic soapy bit of TV. Great fun not to be taken seriously.

squonk

Agreed! I was also a bit mystified by that Haiti episode. It sounded like they were running the engines at a fair lick to burn off fuel. From what I believe to be true (and I have to say I am neither a pilot or an aviation expert), if you run your engines at a fair whack while standing, you've a fair chance of damaging the runway behind you. I know that didn't matter in this case but there has to be also a risk of damage to the engine as well? I'm guessing it's designed for high revs while in the air at the temperatures you'd get there, not on the ground?

Also, what really stumped me was how they managed to get the steps away from the plane so they could take off after they'd all boarded! You can either Collette or Kate going back up the steps and then the rebels arrive and they then take off. From what I could see, even provided they detatched the steps, the wing was still going to hit the stairs! the airport was supposedly unmanned and it didn't look like there was enough time to get a guy to bring the steps away.

Having said that, it was a bit of fun! I'd imagine a short sharp takeoff on a commercial airliner like that would be a hell of a lot more fun than the regular takeoffs! No disrespect to commercial pilots - I love what you do!

xflyer

Didn't see the episode in question but there wouldn't be a problem with running the engines at high power on the ground. It's a regular thing. They are run at high power in test cells after maintenance. The key is the monitor the EGTs to ensure the turbine isn't cooked.

The biggest problem would be keeping it stopped. It would need to be chocked, not very practical with the rebels on the way:eek:

cml387

But I don't think 707's in 1963 were fitted with GPWS.

Tenger

cml387 wrote: »

But I don't think 707's in 1963 were fitted with GPWS.

Stop thinking too much about the accuracy of this program.....

...it is enjoyable fluff,nothing else.

mayotom

The Majority of 707's which are still flying are owned by Omega Aviation through their Shannon based Subsiduary, however they do not fly in Europe due to noise and polution regulations, most are in South America and Africa with some converted into Fuel tankers with another McEvaddy owned company Omega Air Refueling. In the early 90's they were the biggest owners in existence with over 200 aircraft, that has been reduced significantly

EchoIndia

Omega certainly bought a lot of 707s over the years, but not that many of them saw further commercial use - certainly, nothing like 200. Most were sold quickly to Boeing Military for the KC-135E conversion programme, which saw the original J-57 turbojets replaced with the JT-3D turbofans from former commercial 707s. Quite a few of these 707s passed through Shannon on their way. The KC-135E conversions were mostly undertaken during the 1980s. As for 707s still flying, other than military aircraft in countries such as Chile, Spain, Iran and Israel, unfortunately there aren't a lot of truly active examples.

Omega Air recently bought three ex-RAAF 707s and flew them from Australia to the USA for probably future service.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2011/10/former-raaf-707s-flown-out-by-omega/

DOCARCH

mayotom wrote: »

The Majority of 707's which are still flying are owned by Omega Aviation

One of which crashed this year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/omega-707-tanker-crashes-in-california-356905/

Interestingly it may have been an ex Pan Am 707.

McWotever

Looked on the inter-web for schematics of 707's. Hard to come by. Just wondering on the accuracy of the internal shots of the 707. Presumably a sound stage mock-up.

The main passenger entrance, front most door port side. There doesn't seem to be an opposing door on the starboard side as per 737, 747, 320 etc...

It does have a smaller emergency, on the starboard side slightly aft of the main passenger door, splitting the galley There seems to be a similar setup towards the rear. Is this accurate of the real 707's?

Also, notice the overhead "compartments" are more overhead racks, similar to that of a coach. Again, is that accurate of the aircraft, or of the era anyway.

McWotever

Just researched my last question a bit more. Found these photos, which kind of back up what I said.

Compare the height of the doors to the blue stripe

Starboard http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus/Boeing-707-348C/0574935/L/&sid=93097296fd4abc333be1d3fbbb5db89a

and Port http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus/Boeing-707-348C/0766834/&sid=7ddffe0fdcc8a9d715a1d25e8a572c09

As you can see there is a size difference.

Now coming across this has raised a new question, which is why I shouldn't research things myself.

Same aircraft, EI-ANO, same Serial Number, but extra door. Just aft of the wings. Says it just back from lease to Nigerian Airways, September 1973. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus--/Boeing-707-348C/1731009/L/&sid=93097296fd4abc333be1d3fbbb5db89a

All other photos of this aircraft both years previous, and after don't have the door. Is it a case that the Nigerians just painted it on for their aviation authority or is it that simple to put in and remove a cabin door?

Other photos to EI-ANO here http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=EI-ANO&distinct_entry=true

Mister Jingles

The photo of Starboard you linked is Port.

McWotever

Mister Jingles wrote: »

The photo of Starboard you linked is Port.

Corrected, Thanks.

McWotever

Started new thread re EI-ANO, as it is kinda off topic in here.

Tenger

McWotever wrote: »

Also, notice the overhead "compartments" are more overhead racks, similar to that of a coach. Again, is that accurate of the aircraft, or of the era anyway.

Yes this was a feature of aircraft cabin design in the 50's and into the 60's.

coylemj

Tenger wrote: »

Yes this was a feature of aircraft cabin design in the 50's and into the 60's.

+1 some of the crocks older aircraft chartered into Dublin to take fans to the Italia 90 World Cup Quarter-Final in Rome were from eastern Europe and a lot of them had overhead racks like in the typical 53 seater coach. It was the end of June so most western European charters were tied up running people to the regular holiday destinations.

kona

There is a **** load of 707 parts around shannon, A Vertical stabiliser, landing gear and a P&W Jt-3D.