What's the story regards the Sunday Indo attacks on the government?

legendary.xix

Two weeks in a row the Indo has been leading stories against Fine Gael and the government? What is behind all this?

Whatever the Indo are at, I think they're doing a terrible job of it and are only going to affect their readership. The government like the new president has a strong mandate from the electorate. Giving money to the banks recently was a popular decision but unfortunately there didn't seem to be an option. It wasn't good to hear about projects that have to be shelved but there isn't any option really in the current climate. The government seem to be straight up about most of it. With the bailout deal the current government's hands are tied to a certain degree.

I've no party allegiance but I backed this current government because they did a good job in the mid 90's. I think over the next 5 years we will see that they have done a good job but obviously we'll have to wait and see. They are doing a reasonable job in keeping the public informed. That's a positive. Varadkar was saying during the week regards the projects dropped, the last government kept these project running along for political gain. It's not a good vote move to end the projects but it is the right thing. It is 100% the right thing to invest the money there in the roads and maintenance work that has to be done. That's a sensible move and the sort of moves I expect from this government. A 5 year term is like a football season. Hopefully 3-4 years down the road we'll be looking at what were sensible decisions. If not my vote will be going elsewhere. At the moment patience is required. There'll be many knee-jerk reactions after the budget. I'm sure I won't be pleased myself but that's natural.

Back on topic, the Sunday Independent need to get their acts together. Some in that paper is taking a bad slant on the state of affairs that are currently going on.

nesf

Well, as much as I detest the Indo, some paper has to lead the charge against the Government, otherwise we might as well live in a State controlled media country.

Manach

For a functional democracy there must be some form of opposition to the government of the day. The current make-up of the Dail seems to preclude there being effective united voice against a government action, that is to present an alternative viewpoint to that presented by the various dept's press agents. So by default, the Independent and other media outlets will take on the role.

jack presley

Further tabloid-isation of the indo. I bet there was an X-Factor or Joe Duffy/Pat Kenny story on the front page as well?

irishh_bob

the present goverment have so far been an almost mirror immage of thier predescessor , same tunes , different band

Permabear

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legendary.xix

nesf wrote: »

Well, as much as I detest the Indo, some paper has to lead the charge against the Government, otherwise we might as well live in a State controlled media country.

I agree we need the media to hold the government to account. I don't agree with the Indo though in there attacks though. There seems to be some agenda behind it from what I can see.

It's harsh to say this government is the same band as the previous lot. Decisions are going to be made we're not happy with. Economic decisions unfortunately aren't in our control at the moment. It will lead to some decisions having to be made. A newspaper while while giving opposition has to offer balance as well. I haven't seen any of that in the Indo. I am a regular reader of the paper but recent articles are putting me off.

nesf

legendary.xix wrote: »

I agree we need the media to hold the government to account. I don't agree with the Indo though in there attacks though. There seems to be some agenda behind it from what I can see.

The agenda I imagine is to try and sell papers by appealing to the disgruntled. Similar to the Indo leading the charge against public sector workers and so on last year.

ianuss

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So true.

irishh_bob

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been thinking of buying something different on a sunday , any recomendations for a good weekly read

ianuss

The Guardian is a great paper.

dixiefly

legendary.xix wrote: »

Two weeks in a row the Indo has been leading stories against Fine Gael and the government? What is behind all this?

Whatever the Indo are at, I think they're doing a terrible job of it and are only going to affect their readership. The government like the new president has a strong mandate from the electorate. Giving money to the banks recently was a popular decision but unfortunately there didn't seem to be an option. It wasn't good to hear about projects that have to be shelved but there isn't any option really in the current climate. The government seem to be straight up about most of it. With the bailout deal the current government's hands are tied to a certain degree.

I've no party allegiance but I backed this current government because they did a good job in the mid 90's. I think over the next 5 years we will see that they have done a good job but obviously we'll have to wait and see. They are doing a reasonable job in keeping the public informed. That's a positive. Varadkar was saying during the week regards the projects dropped, the last government kept these project running along for political gain. It's not a good vote move to end the projects but it is the right thing. It is 100% the right thing to invest the money there in the roads and maintenance work that has to be done. That's a sensible move and the sort of moves I expect from this government. A 5 year term is like a football season. Hopefully 3-4 years down the road we'll be looking at what were sensible decisions. If not my vote will be going elsewhere. At the moment patience is required. There'll be many knee-jerk reactions after the budget. I'm sure I won't be pleased myself but that's natural.

Back on topic, the Sunday Independent need to get their acts together. Some in that paper is taking a bad slant on the state of affairs that are currently going on.

I bought the Sindo last sunday for the first time in ages and just found it to be a complete diatribe against the government. They also had articles from Celia Larkin & Willie ODea. O Dea was alright but Larkin was completely anti-government and bitter as well in my opinion. On top of that another reporter had an article that FF was needed back at some stage & that the country needs them!

irishh_bob

ianuss wrote: »

The Guardian is a great paper.

for leftys perhaps

ianuss

irishh_bob wrote: »

for leftys perhaps

Total bullsh1t. If there's a better paper outside the FT I'd love to hear what it is.

nesf

ianuss wrote: »

Total bullsh1t. If there's a better paper outside the FT I'd love to hear what it is.

The Economist.

ianuss

Okay, agreed, but it's not really a newspaper.

thegreengoblin

Too damn right that rag has an agenda. If you have the patience to actually sit through their drivel it leaves you in no doubt that they are pro Fianna Fail. Just take a look at who they once gave their 'Person of the Month' award to...

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/person-of-the-month-482110.html

Tossers.

pconn062

nesf wrote: »

Well, as much as I detest the Indo, some paper has to lead the charge against the Government, otherwise we might as well live in a State controlled media country.

I totally agree, I get the feeling sometimes that Enda is just trying to sneak under the radar without making the tough decisions needed and someone needs to call him up on the huge deficiencies that exist in our society.

pconn062

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Too damn right that rag has an agenda. If you have the patience to actually sit through their drivel it leaves you in no doubt that they are pro Fianna Fail. Just take a look at who they once gave their 'Person of the Month' award to...

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/person-of-the-month-482110.html

Tossers.

Whats the relevance?? That article is from 7 years ago.

thegreengoblin

A newspaper gives a public blow job to an absolute chancer who led one of the worst governments in history and now they are clearly fuming because that government is no longer in power. It's called 'a bit of background'.

I'm no fan of Fine Gael, believe me, but the Sindo are treating this government far worse than they did the last shower of incompetent, greedy bastards who ran our country into the ground.

Dannyboy83

People are very pissed off with Fine Gael, who lied through their teeth and have reneged on just about everything (they haven't even made Irish optional at leaving cert as promised - which doesn't require any IMF money)
Michael Noonan, who seems to be suffering from early onset of dementia, constantly pisses people off by telling them they ought to spend more, then a few hours later says something like - - the vat rate will rise to 23%.
A few Labour ministers (e.g. Quinn/Burton) seem to be the only people who are actually accomplishing anything.

The Indo, probably more any other paper, understand what the public and their audience in particular are hungry for, then feed it to them.
That's about it, imo.

(p.s. Anyone saying the Guardian isn't left wing is living on Planet Fantasy - The left wingers even pronounce it differently - they say "The GarJan" - not Guardian - for some inexplicable reason, it's like a badge of honour)

nesf

ianuss wrote: »

Okay, agreed, but it's not really a newspaper.

It calls itself a newspaper.

sarumite

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While I agree with the sentiment, from my experience this is not something that is specific to Irish people.

Turnstyle

I detest the sindo, the only reason I pick it up when visiting the folks place is to have a quick root for the Lidl/Aldi pullout..
I have seen their headlines recently and I do agree with some of them, although they are just stating the obvious really. They have also had a few digs at Shatter alone, but he appears to be the one in the new government that is getting a few things done...
I like most voted for the current government and am sickened to the core, they are the same old outfit again but even less competent than FF I reckon... Enda Kenny is not fit to lead this country, I think he is a complete fraud and just full of hot air. I have given them enough time to make a change and they have fallen at every opportunity, blame the last crowd blah blah blah. End to cronyism... ya sure
The sooner they are gotten out the better…
I think you only have to look at FG’s attempt to win the Presidential election to see the level of amateurism.

toxicity234

Its Funny RTE Lies all over the place and lots of people on here saying they doing a great job.
The indo writing a pack of misleading information about a political party and people are on here complaining.

I read the Article, its was a rubbish of the lowest order. They were no lies just twisting the truth to suit there ends. Horrible ****.

The Journalists in this county are shocking. Some of them are low life scum. Who think that the whole county lives in D4 and anyone how lives outside of Dublin are not part of Ireland and should have no say in the county?
They feel that because they are Journalist they can write or report anything they hear, where true or not.

secman

Fine Gael are doing a brilliant job:

All the Quango's are gone.
We didn't pay another cent to the Bond holders.
They have created thousands of jobs.
They would under no circumstances send an overpaid senior civil servant to Europe to get on a gravy train despite public distain.
They totally got rid of the Zombie Bank Ango Irish.
They have broken the Croke Park AGREEMENT.
They have revamped our litany of Labour & Employment Laws.

They have not broken one promise made before the General Election, just several.

Yours

Secman

PeteHeat

I'm not impressed with any of the newspapers available today, we get either English rubbish trying to appear Irish or off shoots of the independent group who are not great at reporting without bias jumping out at the reader.

That said we do need to be keeping the pressure on any government we have, look what happened with the last lot who had a fairly easy time of it where the media were concerned.

SBWife

ianuss wrote: »

The Guardian is a great paper.

It's not published on a Sunday the OP was looking for a Sunday alternative. I'd suggest the Sunday Times it's a decent alternative to the Irish offerings with about 70% locally written content.

ILikeBananas

The Sunday Independent definitely have a pro FF bias. You only have to look at the fact that they have a sitting TD (Willie O' Dea) and Bertie's ex writing opinion pieces every week to see that this is the case. Add to that the fact that Brendan O' Connor and Eoin Harris were huge supporters of the previous government.

They grudgingly shifted toward FG prior to the last election as they saw which way the wind was blowing and wanted to be seen to be with the people.

Now that government has been given their grace period they are going to revert to form and firstly start knocking them before then in about 3-6 months praising a 'rejuvinated' FF.

legendary.xix

ILikeBananas wrote: »

The Sunday Independent definitely have a pro FF bias. You only have to look at the fact that they have a sitting TD (Willie O' Dea) and Bertie's ex writing opinion pieces every week to see that this is the case. Add to that the fact that Brendan O' Connor and Eoin Harris were huge supporters of the previous government.

They grudgingly shifted toward FG prior to the last election as they saw which way the wind was blowing and wanted to be seen to be with the people.

Now that government has been given their grace period they are going to revert to form and firstly start knocking them before then in about 3-6 months praising a 'rejuvinated' FF.

They will lose readership if they keep it up. They might have gotten away with it before but with access to so much other media and comment, people aren't going to bought into criticism where it's not warranted. The debates on tv actually work better, the frontline and prime time. Sure it was on tv everyone saw through Gallagher. SF set the right trap at the right time and at the right place. Varadkar was interviewed well on the last word about the projects shelved last week. I'd suggest for people to listen to it to see someone in government informing people and being straight up unlike the previous government.

toxicity234

toxicity234 wrote: »

Its Funny RTE Lies all over the place and lots of people on here saying they doing a great job.
The indo writing a pack of misleading information about a political party and people are on here complaining.

I read the Article, its was a rubbish of the lowest order. They were no lies just twisting the truth to suit there ends. Horrible ****.

The Journalists in this county are shocking. Some of them are low life scum. Who think that the whole county lives in D4 and anyone how lives outside of Dublin are not part of Ireland and should have no say in the county?
They feel that because they are Journalist they can write or report anything they hear, where true or not.

I Believe that someone was upset with a word that i used,
I Apologise for an offence caused..

Firetrap

legendary.xix wrote: »

They will lose readership if they keep it up. They might have gotten away with it before but with access to so much other media and comment, people aren't going to bought into criticism where it's not warranted.

I don't know about that. There's not a lot of choice out there when it comes to Irish Sunday newspapers. What is there now? Sunday World? Business Post? Maybe at a stretch the Sunday Times or the Mail on Sunday which have more Irish content in them than the other ones.