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  • #2
    Brianderunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Savage run indeed, but how is Joe Sweeney still in Uni? Bit of a Van Wilder character is he?

    Reminds me of James Nolan for UCD a few years back, parachuted in every year for the road relays.


  • #3
    ecoli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Brianderunner wrote: »
    Savage run indeed, but how is Joe Sweeney still in Uni? Bit of a Van Wilder character is he?

    Reminds me of James Nolan for UCD a few years back, parachuted in every year for the road relays.


    Funny enough he was on the last UCD team to win.... five years ago

    As far as I know Joe is in a Post grad program


  • #4
    Brianderunner
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    ecoli wrote: »
    Funny enough he was on the last UCD team to win.... five years ago

    As far as I know Joe is in a Post grad program

    Fair enough, i just feel that people have their time to run for their university, then they should move on but each to their own. For me it left a sour taste when Nolan was drafted in to win it for UCD back then. A man in his late 20's running against 18-21 year olds, just didnt seem right, even if he was entitled.


  • #5
    thirstywork2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭thirstywork2


    Brianderunner wrote: »
    Fair enough, i just feel that people have their time to run for their university, then they should move on but each to their own. For me it left a sour taste when Nolan was drafted in to win it for UCD back then. A man in his late 20's running against 18-21 year olds, just didnt seem right, even if he was entitled.


    you said it yourself ''he was entitled''

    I think it's great to see DCU been beaten.They rule the roost in terms of scholarships now.
    Can't see them loosing the track and field title for a long long time.

    Is the Irish system differn't to the USA system in terms of who can run?In the USA they red shirt in order to defer a season.


  • #6
    ecoli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Brianderunner wrote: »
    Fair enough, i just feel that people have their time to run for their university, then they should move on but each to their own. For me it left a sour taste when Nolan was drafted in to win it for UCD back then. A man in his late 20's running against 18-21 year olds, just didnt seem right, even if he was entitled.

    Isn't Joe Warne like 24?

    Nearly as bad as DCU fielding three teams of scholarship athletes compared to UCD not having one of their A team on scholarship even:rolleyes:


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  • #7
    runjb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭runjb


    I don't think we should criticise DCU everyone. In these trying times, scholarships etc def help a lot of people so don't diss the setup, be happy that athletes are benefiting.

    Although it was good to see UCD win, freshen things up a bit!:D Lot's of good performances at the road champs, well done people!


  • #8
    myflipflops
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    Brianderunner wrote: »
    Fair enough, i just feel that people have their time to run for their university, then they should move on but each to their own. For me it left a sour taste when Nolan was drafted in to win it for UCD back then. A man in his late 20's running against 18-21 year olds, just didnt seem right, even if he was entitled.

    I'm not sure how selecting an athlete who is studying in the college is regarded as 'drafting' somebody in.

    There's no age limit with regards to eligibility. If you go back to do a PHD at 40, you can still compete.


  • #9
    Brianderunner
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    The James Nolan thing was annoying because he was parachuted in for just the road relays. No sign of him at the cross country or the track. One single gold for him on the track would not be anywhere close to sinking DCU in the road relays.

    The schools athletics has an age limit (under 19 i think) so maybe the colleges should have the same thing (under 23 maybe). It's clearly an advantage to have runners in their mid to late 20's running against 18-22 year olds (the vast majority of competitors), even if they are entitled. Maybe i'm being ageist but college athletics should only be for those of that age (18-22). Run, graduate and move on to the next challenge and none of this one year down and Van Wilder behaviour.


  • #10
    TheRoadRunner
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    Brianderunner wrote: »
    The James Nolan thing was annoying because he was parachuted in for just the road relays. No sign of him at the cross country or the track. One single gold for him on the track would not be anywhere close to sinking DCU in the road relays.

    The schools athletics has an age limit (under 19 i think) so maybe the colleges should have the same thing (under 23 maybe). It's clearly an advantage to have runners in their mid to late 20's running against 18-22 year olds (the vast majority of competitors), even if they are entitled. Maybe i'm being ageist but college athletics should only be for those of that age (18-22). Run, graduate and move on to the next challenge and none of this one year down and Van Wilder behaviour.

    Would have to disagree with you. With regards to education colleges don't discriminate against age (at least they shouldn't) so why should college sports.

    Having said that there is an age limit for world university games. That is 28 as far as I know.


  • #11
    Brianderunner
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    TheRoadRunner wrote: »
    Would have to disagree with you. With regards to education colleges don't discriminate against age (at least they shouldn't) so why should college sports.

    Having said that there is an age limit for world university games. That is 28 as far as I know.

    That's fine i don't expect anyone to agree with me on this one. It's just watching James Nolan at the peak of his powers (or close to it) outrun a 20 year old is not a fair fight, that's all.

    Runners hit their peak at 27-29, while the vast majority of college athletes are not long out of leaving cert and the older runners clearly have an advantage as they are more developed, simple.


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  • #12
    ecoli
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    Brianderunner wrote: »
    That's fine i don't expect anyone to agree with me on this one. It's just watching James Nolan at the peak of his powers (or close to it) outrun a 20 year old is not a fair fight, that's all.

    Runners hit their peak at 27-29, while the vast majority of college athletes are not long out of leaving cert and the older runners clearly have an advantage as they are more developed, simple.

    What about McIlroy former Olympian and sub 1.45 man competing for UU or Paddy Brennan of Letterkenny (not hundred percent on his age). This is not a once off

    Preferrably the more exposure to quality fields for any athlete the better. Look at Ruari Finnegan this year jumping in the 800 heats and assuring Standard your Youths despite being younger by few years than the whole field.

    Better competition brings out the best in the athletes.


  • #13
    thirstywork2
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    Runjb i don't think anyone is havign a go @ DCU.They have become the Barcelona of athletics in Ireland and it's refreshing is all id say to see UCD win.

    Brinatherunner;maybe James was injured or didnt want to run cross country for UCD.Teams will make a bigger effort to make sure everyone is running if they have a shot at winning the team title.
    You can't say someone can't run because of their age if they are eligable.


  • #14
    Brianderunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    For me college athletics is what you do for the 3 or 4 years after you're leaving cert and if i had my way (which will never happen) I would have an age limit of 22 at these championships. But if people want to hold onto their youth by competing in the universities against a bunch of young college students let them off, but it's not right in my eyes. Same thing as a senior player playing in an u21 team in GAA, without the age restriction.

    I'm repeating myself now so i'll exit the discussion at this point.


  • #15
    woodchopper
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    Brianderunner wrote: »
    That's fine i don't expect anyone to agree with me on this one. It's just watching James Nolan at the peak of his powers (or close to it) outrun a 20 year old is not a fair fight, that's all.

    Runners hit their peak at 27-29, while the vast majority of college athletes are not long out of leaving cert and the older runners clearly have an advantage as they are more developed, simple.

    Fear not I am in some agreement with you. An athlete should have five years of academic and athletic elgibility in college. For example a four year degree and a masters or a one year down, but that is it.I believe age should not be the focal point however. The idea that some athletes compete for eight years is crazy. DCU in fairness have now only a few of these type of guys, they used to be very bad. But lets be realistic, UCD won on Saturday because of Sweeney, the rest of their team would have got eaten alive by DCU A and B. Good to see DCU beaten though!

    One problem I do have is the selection of Celtic University Games teams. Surely this should be development only and as such be under 23. The idea that a 27 or 28 year old is selected ahead of the younger athletes is not right. If the older athletes wants an international cap why dont they try and make the Euro senior team instead of trying to find the easiest way to get a pair of green shorts.


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