starting new job but have no p45

evosteo

hi just looking for some advice

im starting a new job in the morning with eircom

they asked me to bring my p45 in the first day but iv got let go in 2009, went to collage for a year from 2009-2010 and had been trying to get employment ever since

iv no tax certs or any docementation from this year as i havent worked

can anybody explain to me what i should do?

will i be entitled to the full years tax credits even though i started in november????

cheers

stephen

Opinicus

did you get a p45 from your last employer? if not then try and get one off them. i don't think it will have any effect on your new employer though as it's outside the current tax year.
also get onto the tax office and ask for a form 12a (i think) this wil state what tax credits you are entitled to. You'll probably be on emergency tax til you get this.

evosteo

i did recieve one in 2009 but i remember getting a p21 done in the summer of 2009 and the fella behind the counter took my p45, he also said something to me for when i started a new job but for the life of me i cant remember what it was

smeharg

evosteo wrote: »

hi just looking for some advice

im starting a new job in the morning with eircom

they asked me to bring my p45 in the first day but iv got let go in 2009, went to collage for a year from 2009-2010 and had been trying to get employment ever since

iv no tax certs or any docementation from this year as i havent worked

can anybody explain to me what i should do?

will i be entitled to the full years tax credits even though i started in november????

cheers

stephen

Congratulations on getting a new job.

You only need a P45 if you were employed in 2011. A P45 for any other year is of no use to your new employer.

You're entitled to a full year's tax credits.

Revenue will issue you with a tax credit cert when the new employer informs them that you are employed by them.

evosteo

smeharg wrote: »

Congratulations on getting a new job.

You only need a P45 if you were employed in 2011. A P45 for any other year is of no use to your new employer.

You're entitled to a full year's tax credits.

Revenue will issue you with a tax credit cert when the new employer informs them that you are employed by them.

thanks smeharg,

been a long time waiting but it all pays off

cheers for the info, do i have to inform the revenue im starting a new job or should the employers do that??

i think i have there tax number which was sent out with the contract

smeharg

evosteo wrote: »

smeharg wrote: »

Congratulations on getting a new job.

You only need a P45 if you were employed in 2011. A P45 for any other year is of no use to your new employer.

You're entitled to a full year's tax credits.

Revenue will issue you with a tax credit cert when the new employer informs them that you are employed by them.

thanks smeharg,

been a long time waiting but it all pays off

cheers for the info, do i have to inform the revenue im starting a new job or should the employers do that??

i think i have there tax number which was sent out with the contract

If you have the employer's tax reference number you can call Revenue yourself.

Lisa2011

I would assume that you would have to apply for a standard rate cut off point and tax credits. I had no p45 when i started working and had to do that.

evosteo

hi lisa how would you go about applying for that?

Lisa2011

evosteo wrote: »

hi lisa how would you go about applying for that?

http://www.revenue.ie/en/personal/faqs/starting-work-tax.html

Click on thi link and when you scroll down you will see a pdf file form 12a print this off and file it in then take it to your local tax/revenue office

Daxve

A Form 12A is only for your first employment when you have never worked before don't use this form.

Give your employer your PPS number on your first day. They will operate emergency tax until they receive your tax cert. You will get 1/52 of the cut off point (COP) and 1/52 of the single personal credit each week for the first 4 weeks. In weeks 5 to 8 you get 1/52 of COP and no credits after week 8 you get taxed at 41% on everything with no credits until it's sorted so the quicker you sort it the better.

You can let your employer sort this for you but it's quicker to do it yourself. Get your employers registration number from them. Ring Revenue use the contact locator https://www.revenue.ie/wiclo/details.jsp to find out where to ring - Dublin region is 1890 333 425 for example. Tell Revenue when you started work and ask them to allocate your tax credits and cut of point to your new employer. They will issue you and your employer with a tax credit cert and regularise your tax affairs

Lisa2011

Daxve wrote: »

A Form 12A is only for your first employment when you have never worked before don't use this form.

Give your employer your PPS number on your first day. They will operate emergency tax until they receive your tax cert. You will get 1/52 of the cut off point (COP) and 1/52 of the single personal credit each week for the first 4 weeks. In weeks 5 to 8 you get 1/52 of COP and no credits after week 8 you get taxed at 41% on everything with no credits until it's sorted so the quicker you sort it the better.

You can let your employer sort this for you but it's quicker to do it yourself. Get your employers registration number from them. Ring Revenue use the contact locator https://www.revenue.ie/wiclo/details.jsp to find out where to ring - Dublin region is 1890 333 425 for example. Tell Revenue when you started work and ask them to allocate your tax credits and cut of point to your new employer. They will issue you and your employer with a tax credit cert and regularise your tax affairs

This is correct. I blame my employer for giving me the wrong information

allthedoyles

Lisa2011 wrote: »

Click on the link and when you scroll down you will see a pdf file form 12a print this off and fill it in then take it to your local tax/revenue office

Correct Lisa - Form 12a can be used anytime - It is not just for first employment .

It is mainly used in the following situations :
1. If you are starting your first employment .
2. If you are re-commencing employment following a period of unemployment .

It is the best and most user-friendly Form to use if you are starting a new job .

But don't expect to receive a cumulative tax credit cert in November of any year , unless the tax office are completely satisfied that they know what your earnings circumstances has been for the previous 10 months .

Normally a week1 basis would apply until full circumstances are declared

barneystinson

allthedoyles wrote: »

It is the best and most user-friendly Form to use if you are starting a new job .

Ah but I bet you it's not - feast your eyes upon this!
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=form%20p46&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revenue.ie%2Fen%2Ftax%2Fit%2Fforms%2Fp46.pdf&ei=pKfBTtqVPNSLhQfHpNy1BA&usg=AFQjCNGyUhJag-3Kr_Xgw2ASPH09BH7upQ&cad=rja

Try and tell me that isn't shorter and easier to complete

EDIT: Although as previous posters have already mentioned, the whole thing can be sorted over the phone inside of 3 minutes, easier than filling in any forms.

allthedoyles

Form P46 is pro-employer and pro-revenue , and will not help the employee receive a cumulative tax credit cert .

Form P46 does not provide information to the tax office on past earnings / circumstances

barneystinson

allthedoyles wrote: »

But don't expect to receive a cumulative tax credit cert in November of any year , unless the tax office are completely satisfied that they know what your earnings circumstances has been for the previous 10 months .

Normally a week1 basis would apply until full circumstances are declared

But here you're saying a F12a probably won't get them a cumulative TCC anyway, so how's a P46 going to differ substantially from that? I never had any problems with TCCs issued on foor of submitting P46s, and I'm talking about dozens of cases... strangely enough some people in Revenue do manage to process straightforward things with the application of some cop on...

Anyway, we're splitting hairs, since a phone call is the best way to get the thing sorted quickly in one go.

evosteo

cheers for all the info folks

much appriciated

smeharg

Maybe you could let us know which option you chose in the end: phone call, F12a or P46

(BTW P46 is for the employer to complete)

henryporter

I filled out an F12a myself when I went back to work after a year in college, 10 years self employed, 3 years employed abroad and 7 years employed in Ireland, and I got sorted, so its certainly not just for first time employment

barneystinson

Well while a Form 12a will get the job done, and in most run of the mill cases a P46 will achieve the same result with less head scratching, the bottom line is that if the necessary information can be given over the phone, it is the fastest and easiest way to get sorted.

I also know for a fact that Revenue staff are now being told to get it sorted over the phone where possible, to reduce the burden of paperwork processing.

evosteo

cheers again folks,

quick phone call got it sorted yesterday

5 mins waiting to get through and 5 mins giving details

simple as

she said all the relevant info should be out with me and my employer within 3 working days

darren87

hey im moving to Dublin from Belfast ive been offered a job. does anyone no because im moving from uk to Ireland will I be put on an emergency tax code , ive only ever paid tax in the uk .. ive got my pps card so im ready to start just don't want to be taxed 45 percent.. hope someone can help thanks

relax carry on

darren87 wrote: »

hey im moving to Dublin from Belfast ive been offered a job. does anyone no because im moving from uk to Ireland will I be put on an emergency tax code , ive only ever paid tax in the uk .. ive got my pps card so im ready to start just don't want to be taxed 45 percent.. hope someone can help thanks

It's a form 12a you need to complete to register your employment with the Irish tax authority.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/personal/faqs/starting-work-tax.html