Fuel quality

E39MSport

My thread has 'disappeared'. Be nice if originator was notified/contacted.

Texaco Head Office in the UK just called me to state (paraphrased): -

"
All Texaco filling stations in Ireland are privately owned and operated. They carry out regular checks and any site found to be carrying substandard fuel or equipment is removed from the Brand.
"

This is a statement from the company and I can't see why it should be deleted from a motors forum.

Perhaps if some could desist from comments that may be perceived as libelous then the thread might be of use to folks drawing their own conclusions.

I also add that Texaco stated that their customers can rest assured that their fuel is of the highest standards.

(mod guidance welcome)

scoobymunster

I think the mods are overtly cautious regarding anything that may be in some way construed as libel. I was in the midst of reading the first page when it got deleted.:(

E39MSport

Yeah

The above is all standard boilerplate stuff but interesting to know that all sites are private.

pa990

I've used various petrol stations, and my personal experience/belief is that the super cheap petrol that i have bought, doesnt last as long as other petrol.

I generally stick to TOPAZ now.

Gophur

The last thread contained an allegation that stations of one particular brand were actively selling "dodgy" fuel. Why would anyone be surprised such a thread was removed?

If you are unsure about the quality of fuel then go to the major branded station.

pa990

Gophur wrote: »

The last thread contained an allegation that stations of one particular brand were actively selling "dodgy" fuel. Why would anyone be surprised such a thread was removed?

If you are unsure about the quality of fuel then go to the major branded station.

but some branded stations buy their fuel from other than the brand they are when their contact expires.

johnos1984

What stations actually supply and sell their own fuel?

I've limited myself to Texaco and Esso of late

E39MSport

So, Esso have responded to me with a list of "Esso maintained service stations in Ireland".

Not sure whether it's a good idea to post up here. I suppose if they are disseminating to individual members of the public then there's no harm.

Anything to say Mods?

-Chris-

E39MSport wrote: »

So, Esso have responded to me with a list of "Esso maintained service stations in Ireland".

Not sure whether it's a good idea to post up here. I suppose if they are disseminating to individual members of the public then there's no harm.

Anything to say Mods?

Reply back to them and ask?

-Chris-

P.S.

E39MSport wrote: »

My thread has 'disappeared'. Be nice if originator was notified/contacted.

This is why:

Gophur wrote: »

The last thread contained an allegation that stations of one particular brand were actively selling "dodgy" fuel. Why would anyone be surprised such a thread was removed?

Specific allegations about a brand were made, it couldn't be allowed to remain.

We don't always get the chance to PM for every action we make, if you have any queries just PM any of us and we'll look into it and respond. We won't delete your thread unless there's good reason to .

E39MSport

Right, well in the meantime and while they respond, if anyone wants me to lookup a site then pm me.

E39MSport

SBP yesterday reported that there is growing momentum behind scrapping green diesel for a rebate system on white diesel. Hauliers want in as well.

Washing is costing 160m p/a iirc.

Allowing 10 cent on the litre for Hauliers would cost a fair bit but encourage truckers to fill up here rather than abroad.

Perhaps if they bring in this system it may further the cause for motor taxation at the pump.

MugMugs

E39MSport wrote: »

Perhaps if they bring in this system it may further the cause for motor taxation at the pump.

We already are heavily taxed at the pump.

Look at the floundering tulips in power as it is. If they introduce road tax at the pump do you honestly believe they'll cut Motor Tax?

E39MSport

Wasn't speaking about a cut - just fairness

Tax (motor) it at the pump as per another comment this morning is the only fair way.

MugMugs

It would be nice...... can't see it happening but would be nice.

MugMugs

It would be nice...... can't see it happening but would be nice.

Paddy001

If motor tax was to be on fuel, the government would sell nothing here. It would put between 33c and 37c onto each litre of fuel. Petrol is averaging 147.9 now, this would push it up to 184.9 per litre. Now if we take the increase in VAT that is likely to happen, 184.9 per litre will become 187.95 per litre due to the increase in VAT only.
Diesel is currently 145.9 average, so this becomes 182.9 after tax increase and 185.92 after the VAT increase.
Now add onto these the almost certain increase in excise on fuel and you're at crazy prices.
Now take into account the exchanged rates of fuel in Northern Ireland of €1.54 per litre of Petrol and €1.59 for diesel.
This means by introducing your proposed system along with the VAT increase, petrol will be 33.9c per litre cheaper North of the border and diesel will be 26.9c per litre cheaper.
It doesn't take a genius to work out there would then be tanker loads coming over the border every day, so why would the government do something like that to themselves? They would want to be plain stupid to even consider something like this. So can we end this argument once and for all now? It wouldn't make any sense, it would be plain stupid and it will never happen and if it does, I'll eat my hat.



Workings for increase to cover motor tax came from here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75080202

Average Irish price from here
http://www.pumps.ie/

Average price in the North from here
http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/Motoring-advice/Petrol-Prices.aspx

E39MSport

Who you barking at Paddy? Nobody proposed anything.

What sort of hat we talking anyway?

Paddy001

E39MSport wrote: »

Who you barking at Paddy? Nobody proposed anything.

What sort of hat we talking anyway?

Not barking at all, it was proposed earlier in the thread that motor tax goes on fuel and is often proposed in other threads. Gets annoying because it is never going to happen :mad: Not too sure about the hat... Probably not my wooly one I'll be needing it in this weather

E39MSport

.. as long as its clean fuel

Tea 1000

Paddy001 wrote: »

If motor tax was to be on fuel, the government would sell nothing here. It would put between 33c and 37c onto each litre of fuel. Petrol is averaging 147.9 now, this would push it up to 184.9 per litre. Now if we take the increase in VAT that is likely to happen, 184.9 per litre will become 187.95 per litre due to the increase in VAT only.
Diesel is currently 145.9 average, so this becomes 182.9 after tax increase and 185.92 after the VAT increase.
Now add onto these the almost certain increase in excise on fuel and you're at crazy prices.
Now take into account the exchanged rates of fuel in Northern Ireland of €1.54 per litre of Petrol and €1.59 for diesel.
This means by introducing your proposed system along with the VAT increase, petrol will be 33.9c per litre cheaper North of the border and diesel will be 26.9c per litre cheaper.
It doesn't take a genius to work out there would then be tanker loads coming over the border every day, so why would the government do something like that to themselves? They would want to be plain stupid to even consider something like this. So can we end this argument once and for all now? It wouldn't make any sense, it would be plain stupid and it will never happen and if it does, I'll eat my hat.



Workings for increase to cover motor tax came from here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75080202

Average Irish price from here
http://www.pumps.ie/

Average price in the North from here
http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/Motoring-advice/Petrol-Prices.aspx

You can easily prevent the tanker fulls of it coming down by simply charging the service station per litre they sell, so no matter where they get it, it will cost them the same in tax to sell it.
But you can't prevent the people living close to NI going over for fuel. It's just a calculation as to how many can feasibly do it and how much will be lost in revenue versus the few million they're loosing currently in unpaid tax, which is significant.

Paddy001

Tea 1000 wrote: »

You can easily prevent the tanker fulls of it coming down by simply charging the service station per litre they sell, so no matter where they get it, it will cost them the same in tax to sell it.
But you can't prevent the people living close to NI going over for fuel. It's just a calculation as to how many can feasibly do it and how much will be lost in revenue versus the few million they're loosing currently in unpaid tax, which is significant.

That would get complicated though and hard to avoid, they could easily pay cash to a different supplier for one delivery a month and make an extra 30c per litre on that delivery, or I'm sure a small unbranded station could set up and close down over a week making a killing that way. The cheaper tax is to collect and harder it is to avoid, the better. I think it would be harder to collect this way due to fraud. Also, at 30c a litre saving, it would push a lot of people over the border, fill the car and do a weeks shopping at lower VAT rates, I'd estimate anyone within at least 50 miles would go over the border once a week, if not further. Plus, don't forget the amount of hauliers it will put strain on and bus company's, it would probably finish a lot of them off. I know people are avoiding motor tax now and they couldn't under this scheme, but I'd say taking account of the gains v losses, the losses would be far more substantial

Akrasia

What about changing the colour of the petrol/diesel and make it mandatory for motorists who drive on Irish roads to purchase road tax credits or fill their car with petrol in Irish stations.

(ie, if you're a NI resident who wants to travel south for the day, they can buy daily road tax coupons but if they don't buy them and are stopped at a checkpoint with the wrong colour fuel, they will have their car impounded.)

MugMugs

Akrasia wrote: »

What about changing the colour of the petrol/diesel and make it mandatory for motorists who drive on Irish roads to purchase road tax credits or fill their car with petrol in Irish stations.

(ie, if you're a NI resident who wants to travel south for the day, they can buy daily road tax coupons but if they don't buy them and are stopped at a checkpoint with the wrong colour fuel, they will have their car impounded.)

The logistics behind that would have to outweigh the benefits financially.

E39MSport

My fault lads/lassies but off topic