1.6 BMW Coupe?

Damokc

I've seen these a fews times but they seem to be as rare as hens teeth.I've also read in some thread that they were only made for the eastern European market or something but this is a right hand drive?

Mywheels.ie
Registration: 98MH1681
Engine: 1.6L
Fuel Type: Petrol
Colour: Blue

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2707230

challengemaster

Yup, it's RHD

JerCotter7

http://www.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/316%20coupe

Not rare at all in the E36 shell.

Damokc

ya just checked a few more of em. I thought they were only in those compact yokes. I presume these engines have as much poke as bloated dead whale washed up on a beach?

JerCotter7

Damokc wrote: »

ya just checked a few more of em. I thought they were only in those compact yokes. I presume these engines have as much poke as bloated dead whale washed up on a beach?

101 bhp. Reason you don't see many is most of the de-badged ones are 316's

ShadowHearth

JerCotter7 wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/316%20coupe

Not rare at all in the E36 shell.

316 has 1.9 engine. Same as 318.

Two last numbers in BMW mean jack **** now.

318 316 - 1.9
320 - 2.2
323 - 2.5

List goes on...

no1beemerfan

How did this one get through the NCT? 316 with an undeclared engine change to a 2.5l?

Seller not too worried going by the ad. Gets my goat up though.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2457340

JerCotter7

ShadowHearth wrote: »

316 has 1.9 engine. Same as 318.

Two last numbers in BMW mean jack **** now.

318 316 - 1.9
320 - 2.2
323 - 2.5

List goes on...

You are talking about the E46. The E36 which is the picture in the op was 1.6 for the 316. 1.8 in the 318 from 1992-1995 then 1.9 to 1999.

ShadowHearth

JerCotter7 wrote: »

You are talking about the E46. The E36 which is the picture in the op was 1.6 for the 316. 1.8 in the 318 from 1992-1995 then 1.9 to 1999.

I stand corrected. Atleast I am right on e46 then.

Though e36 323 was 2.5?

JerCotter7

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I stand corrected. Atleast I am right on e46 then.

Though e36 323 was 2.5?

Yeah E36 325 was phased out and replaced with the 323. Which was less powerful and then they brought out the 328 which was actually 2.8.

bazz26

1992 to 1996 E36 316i was 1.6 litre.

This engine was replaced by a 1.9 litre around 1996 when the E36 Compact was introduced. It was carried over to the E46 in 1998 but was replaced by a 1.8 litre engine in 2001. They all still wore the 316i badge.

Damokc

bazz26 wrote: »

1992 to 1996 E36 316i was 1.6 litre.

This engine was replaced by a 1.9 litre around 1996 when the E36 Compact was introduced. It was carried over to the E46 in 1998 but was replaced by a 1.8 litre engine in 2001. They all still wore the 316i badge.

but the above is 1998 and 1.6ltr

bazz26

Damokc wrote: »

but the above is 1998 and 1.6ltr

I've seen a few 1997 1.9 316i too.

L-M

A friend of mine had a 1.6 one badged as a 318is and he swore to that it was the spec of the car. It wasn't.

General rule of thumb, and I say general is for petrol Bmw's add on .2.

(e46) 320i were 2.2's, 323i's were 2.5's, so were 325i's, same with the 520i, 523i and 525i. 530i's/330i's were 3.0's, 540i's and 740i's were 4.4 v8's and so on.

Basically, there's no way of telling. but you can assume most of them after 03 ish were 2.0 litre and above

challengemaster

Makes for fun trying to tax the car

166man

no1beemerfan wrote: »

How did this one get through the NCT? 316 with an undeclared engine change to a 2.5l?

Seller not too worried going by the ad. Gets my goat up though.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2457340

Does this not invalidate the insurance etc?

L-M

166man wrote: »

Does this not invalidate the insurance etc?

Of course it does, you know that.

166man

Limerick man wrote: »

Of course it does, you know that.

If I'd known the answer I wouldn't have asked the question.

I thought that it would invalidate it didn't realise how stupid a thing to do it is. Surely the NCT person would spot the difference unless of course there was €100 in the ashtray....

L-M

166man wrote: »

If I'd known the answer I wouldn't have asked the question.

I thought that it would invalidate it didn't realise how stupid a thing to do it is. Surely the NCT person would spot the difference unless of course there was €100 in the ashtray....

All NCTS do is check the safety of the car, and once it's within the emissions they can't fail it on a different engine.

AFAIK most Gardai can't either, they have to get a mechanic/engineer to verify.

166man

Limerick man wrote: »

All NCTS do is check the safety of the car, and once it's within the emissions they can't fail it on a different engine.

AFAIK most Gardai can't either, they have to get a mechanic/engineer to verify.

Ah right sure all they have to do it pop the bonnet and see it's a six cylinder. Stupid risk in my opinion.

mondymike

e36 316 were a 1.6
e36 318 were a 1.8
e36 318is were a 1.8 till 95/96 then an upgraded 1.9 unit
320 were a 2.0

e46 is where the 316 became only a trim

e39 520 were originally 2.0 then after 2001 a 2.2

there is no similarity between a 316 and a 318is. lift the bonnet for a start. discs on the back etc...

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

I had one of these for a couple of years. A little underpowered but not a bad car at all. Very easy engine to work on and not much went wrong with it in the 2+ years I owned it. Very little fifference between it and a 318 for normal every day driving and the tax is cheaper. I also think it's the best looking beamer ever made...... just my opinion though. That one has a nice ///M kit, wheels and blue is a good colour for it too........

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

Limerick man wrote: »

All NCTS do is check the safety of the car, and once it's within the emissions they can't fail it on a different engine.

Not true, My friend failed the nct because the engine number didn't match his docs. Revenue made a mistake when processing vrt and put a 5 instead of an S or something. Can't imagine those engine numbers would match

JerCotter7

bazz26 wrote: »

1992 to 1996 E36 316i was 1.6 litre.

This engine was replaced by a 1.9 litre around 1996 when the E36 Compact was introduced. It was carried over to the E46 in 1998 but was replaced by a 1.8 litre engine in 2001. They all still wore the 316i badge.

You are talking about the Compact which are a bit different than the Coupe which this thread is about. You are correct about the Compact though.

Swampy

My wife has a 2002 318 that says it's a 2 litre in the log book.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

That's an E46. The E46 320i was a 2.2 as well

jsd1004

Layton Sparse Sorbet wrote: »

Not true, My friend failed the nct because the engine number didn't match his docs. Revenue made a mistake when processing vrt and put a 5 instead of an S or something. Can't imagine those engine numbers would match

So since when do nct check the engine number? vrt might allright. Amazing the amount of people who post stories from friends. Insurance is not invalid if you did not know the engine was changed. Obviously anyone buying a car advertised with an engine change would know so should declare it.

166man

166man wrote: »

Does this not invalidate the insurance etc?

It does unless he has declared the engine change. What it says on the log book doesn't matter its what is told to the insurance company thats important.

L-M

Faye Orange Valve wrote: »

It does unless he has declared the engine change. What it says on the log book doesn't matter its what is told to the insurance company thats important.

No, the insurance company would look for an engineers report to say that the engine was converted properly, and it would also have to be changed on the logbook because when they type the reg into their system it would come up as different litre engine. A friend of mine had a Honda and converted it to DOHC, Quinn would then only accept a report from Honda to say it was done properly. He went into Honda and they said the only way they would provide a report was if they did the conversion, and they'd gladly take out and put the engine back in for €1,200, lol:rolleyes:

@Les Paul, for VRT maybe, but the NCTS never check engine codes. Same for people who have had their engines changed from the same size to same size if damage was done to the origional engine, that was never checked.

Limerick man

Limerick man wrote: »

No, the insurance company would look for an engineers report to say that the engine was converted properly, and it would also have to be changed on the logbook because when they type the reg into their system it would come up as different litre engine. A friend of mine had a Honda and converted it to DOHC, Quinn would then only accept a report from Honda to say it was done properly. He went into Honda and they said the only way they would provide a report was if they did the conversion, and they'd gladly take out and put the engine back in for €1,200, lol:rolleyes:

@Les Paul, for VRT maybe, but the NCTS never check engine codes. Same for people who have had their engines changed from the same size to same size if damage was done to the origional engine, that was never checked.

Yeah I agree on the engineers report, I just didnt spell it out in my post. I would imagine you would get away with the log book being wrong though from an insurance perspective anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

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@Les Paul, for VRT maybe, but the NCTS never check engine codes.QUOTE] Not true, & I'll prove it. I'll get a copy of the letter scan it at the weekend and post it Monday

milltown

Sorry to drag the OP even further off topic, but wrt the 316 -> 325 engine swap and the NCT: Regardless of engine numbers and if the tester didn't spot the extra two cylinders when he opened the bonnet, I thought the emissions targets on the computer system were somewhat model specific?

For example, I used to have an '87 Seat Ibiza with a good old fashioned carburettor and points and HT leads. I'm not sure I still have the NCT certs but I'm sure this car wouldn't be expected to meet the same emissions standards as other cars of the era with transistorised ignition and fuel injection. I also know from experience the vast difference in fuel consumption between BMW 4 and 6 cylinder engines. X amount of fuel burnt equals at least Y milligrams in emissions (generally), so I'm curious how the 2.5L 6 cyl would pass the 1.6/8L 4 cyl emissions.

YBTurbo

milltown wrote: »

Sorry to drag the OP even further off topic, but wrt the 316 -> 325 engine swap and the NCT: Regardless of engine numbers and if the tester didn't spot the extra two cylinders when he opened the bonnet, I thought the emissions targets on the computer system were somewhat model specific?

For example, I used to have an '87 Seat Ibiza with a good old fashioned carburettor and points and HT leads. I'm not sure I still have the NCT certs but I'm sure this car wouldn't be expected to meet the same emissions standards as other cars of the era with transistorised ignition and fuel injection. I also know from experience the vast difference in fuel consumption between BMW 4 and 6 cylinder engines. X amount of fuel burnt equals at least Y milligrams in emissions (generally), so I'm curious how the 2.5L 6 cyl would pass the 1.6/8L 4 cyl emissions.

Friendly NCT inspecter who'll pass it for €50.

Yes it really is that easy!!

L-M

Layton Sparse Sorbet wrote: »

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@Layton Sparse Sorbet, for VRT maybe, but the NCTS never check engine codes.QUOTE] Not true, & I'll prove it. I'll get a copy of the letter scan it at the weekend and post it Monday

I personally know people who have put cars through with different engine's in them and I know of someone who put another through without an engine number at all, and they passed.

Edit: I should say I'm not saying they don't check it, what I'm saying is it's obviously not a routine check.

Guy:Incognito

jsd1004 wrote: »

Insurance is not invalid if you did not know the engine was changed.

If that was the case everyone would just play dumb and all would be fine.