Want to know something a bit mad

TheyKnowMyIP

We are one of the only nations in the European Union that posess the capacity to throw people in jail for not paying back debt. Thought that was a bit nutty. So much for human rights and all that fluffy stuff. Why is this even allowed in this day and age? How can a civil case suddenly "become" a criminal matter?

Senna

That's mad Ted

Where To

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

We are one of the only nations in the European Union that posess the capacity to throw people in jail for not paying back debt. Thought that was a bit nutty. So much for human rights and all that fluffy stuff. Why is this even allowed in this day and age? How can a civil case suddenly "become" a criminal matter?

How many is 'only'?

TheyKnowMyIP

where do i go from here wrote: »

How many is 'only'?

variable. I don't we are talking about constants here.

Where To

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

variable. I don't we are talking about constants here.

Thats a bit mad.

Hasmunch

Thats only if you owe a small amount though.

If you owe a few million or few hundred million then you are left off with a slap on the wrist......

TheyKnowMyIP

Hasmunch wrote: »

Thats only if you owe a small amount though.

If you owe a few million or few hundred million then you are left off with a slap on the wrist......

Knowing how arseways sentancing laws are here, I am not willing to take any chances. You could look the wrong way at the judge and get another year! Problem isn't the sentancing, it's that you are dealing with human beings.

MungBean

Interesting fact but wouldnt call it mad exactly. Mad is the fact that our judicial system cant even figure out how to imprison serious criminals for any appropriate amount of time and seems to think suspended sentences have some sort of effect on crime.

Saila

would have thought it was the opposite here tbh

Eathrin

Then why aren't the f*ckers who screwed this country locked up yet!
I thought that the lack of this legislation was the problem:eek:

Saila

Hasmunch wrote: »

Thats only if you owe a small amount though.

If you owe a few million or few hundred million then you are left off with a slap on the wrist......

or even billions and billions and billions

TheyKnowMyIP

Saila wrote: »

would have thought it was the opposite here tbh

Remember when they said Ireland cares alot about their citizens with that quality of living guide a few years back? Yeah, I knew they were lying all along. This law illustrates my position. Jailing people for debt? Bertie must be racking up the years exponentially by now. Of course, laws don't apply to those in a position of power here. We have ****ed up priorities when you consider we lock people up for not paying RTE the annual Gerry Ryan tax, while the people that ruined the place get a cheer outside the courthouse. Sick stuff.

TheyKnowMyIP

Who was it that said "you steal a little, they lock you up. Steal a lot, they knight you" or something to that effect?

Knex*

"you steal a little, they lock you up. Steal a lot, they knight you" - Teletubbies 2009.

barbarians

Cian A wrote: »

Then why aren't the f*ckers who screwed this country locked up yet!
I thought that the lack of this legislation was the problem:eek:

Because it's one law for the rich and one law for the poor.

TheyKnowMyIP

Knex. wrote: »

"you steal a little, they lock you up. Steal a lot, they knight you" - Teletubbies 2009.

I knew those clowns had a few brain cells rattling around.

MungBean

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Who was it that said "you steal a little, they lock you up. Steal a lot, they knight you" or something to that effect?

Wasnt it "You kill a little and they lock you up, you kill a lot and they lock you up with 2 years suspended" ?

Senna

You do not go to jail for not paying debt, you may go to court for non payment of debt and if you do not comply with the courts ruling, then you will go to jail (after a long process).

NO ONE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO COURT FOR DEBT AND SENT TO JAIL.

But lets not let facts get in the way.

MungBean

Possibly "If you steal a little they lock you up but if you kilt em and then steal they wont know who done it"

MungBean

Senna wrote: »

You do not go to jail for not paying debt, you may go to court for non payment of debt and if you do not comply with the courts ruling, then you will go to jail (after a long process).

NO ONE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO COURT FOR DEBT AND SENT TO JAIL.

But lets not let facts get in the way.

Everyone !! Listen up theres been an announcement !!!

TheyKnowMyIP

Senna wrote: »

You do not go to jail for not paying debt, you may go to court for non payment of debt and if you do not comply with the courts ruling, then you will go to jail (after a long process).

NO ONE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO COURT FOR DEBT AND SENT TO JAIL.

But lets not let facts get in the way.

So in effect, you still go to jail for not paying the debt? Just because the court is involved, does not negate the fact you have failed to pay the debtor. Hell, if you paid it in the first place, you would not have ended up in that situation. You still owe the money, only now, the courts have you by the balls aswell with legal fees etc.

Shattered Dreamer

So you think people shouldn't be jailed for not paying back debt? In a country where careless borrowing ruined the economy? If anything we need more white collar crime laws here!

TheyKnowMyIP

Shattered Dreamer wrote: »

So you think people shouldn't be jailed for not paying back debt? In a country where careless borrowing ruined the economy? If anything we need more white collar crime laws here!

Ireland as a country, does not have a steller record when it comes to human rights, sadly. You only have to look to the RCC and the Psychiatric hospitals of the past here to confirm this. Horrific abuse went unchecked in the past. Not that other places aren't worse, but we should strive to improve our own conditions, not point the finger. We aren't exactly in a position to be passing judgement at this point.

Wertz

The whole injustice of the system is that a court can realistically force you to pay a relatively small debt... it can't (or won't) however try to make someone pay a huge unrealistic debt (that they should never have been allowed run up in first place) or else company law protects the debtor.

It's dickensian, but how else can you ensure that that the peons pay their paltry borrowings en masse without the threat of chokey and the poorhouse?
The fine feathered genetlemen however, have their word as their bond and couldn't possibly be treated in any such manner...

TheyKnowMyIP

Wertz wrote: »

The whole injustice of the system is that a court can realistically force you to pay a relatively small debt... it can't (or won't) however try to make someone pay a huge unrealistic debt (that they should never have been allowed run up in first place) or else company law protects the debtor.

It's dickensian, but how else can you ensure that that the peons pay their paltry borrowings en masse without the threat of chokey and the poorhouse?
The fine feathered genetlemen however, have their word as their bond and couldn't possibly be treated in any such manner...

I don't know what to think. If you sign up to their contractual agreement, they have every right to pursue the debt under the maximum force of the law. If that is worth doing, is another matter entirely.

Shattered Dreamer

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Ireland as a country, does not have a steller record when it comes to human rights, sadly. You only have to look to the RCC and the Psychiatric hospitals of the past here to confirm this. Horrific abuse went unchecked in the past. Not that other places aren't worse, but we should strive to improve our own conditions, not point the finger. We aren't exactly in a position to be passing judgement at this point.

White collar crime isn't a human rights issue & I'm not sure why you're bring it up, I mean you said you taught going to jail for not paying back debt not that people are being put in jail without trial or something. More people need to be made accountable for white collar crime here in Ireland & need to go to jail for it.
I'm sorry but if the law makers of this country had your attitude criminals would have a great life.

Senna

A large amount of these people choose to go to jail, spend 10-20 days in jails and not have to pay back a couple of grand, its a choice they make. Then there are people who choose to go to jail because they are "making a stand" even though they can pay the debt in the first place (TV license being an example).

Does anyone actually know someone who has gone to jail for a legitimate debt reason? i.e. they want to pay, but cant and cant come to an agreement with the creditor?

Son Of A Vidic

Hasmunch wrote: »

Thats only if you owe a small amount though.

If you owe a few million or few hundred million then you are left off with a slap on the wrist......

And we'll also pay you 200K a year.

Sauve

Only 200k?
Come on, I want more than that for doing sfa...

HLecter

what happens if you fck the whole country up financially?

Hasmunch

HLecter wrote: »

what happens if you fck the whole country up financially?

You get a very very nice pension for the rest of your life

TheyKnowMyIP

Hasmunch wrote: »

You get a very very nice pension for the rest of your life

Not mention no sentance of any kind.

Lucy8080

the trick here is how much you borrow.

little guy cant pay his little debt...he in trouble...and debt gets bigger through added interest penalties.little guy in trouble.


big guy borrows massively. cant pay debt. bank in trouble...starts negotiating with big guy ....hoping to get back as much as they can on big guys terms.

little guy = bankers bitch

bank = big guys bitch.

biggest guy in town ends up with bank.

starts looking for little guys to borrow from him.little guy think he nice.

bank take all his sphuds and his field...little guy work field for bank now and eat the sphuds the bank throws his way.

mmmm....sphuds.