Council want to move on the Occupy Cork participants.

Cian92

I saw this in todays echo, the council have decided to move them on. I can't find a link. sorry. A friend told me there was a large police presence at the camp last night too

Any one know whats going on?

gbee

Operation repossession.

I can't understand how they have not been moved on before this, if any random group camped down there they'd be moved on, the right to protest does not include the right to effectively doss down on public property.

corkcomp

Brilliant news if its true, sooner they get booted out of there the better

warder6161

bloody right boot them out bloody eyesore walked past today about 5 people there and about 20 tents..do they really think they will make a difference tucked away in a corner of south mall !:mad:

THENORTHSIDER

too right move them on and lets just accept all the crap thats being bestowed on us, not open our mouths about it and ask for more:cool: Pay those that are incompetent more money and give them bigger pensions:eek:

54kroc

I wonder how long a family of travellers would have lasted if they had pulled up there.
The right to protest is great but it should be the same rules for everyone, I think they should have been moved after the first night.

Namlub

THENORTHSIDER wrote: »

too right move them on and lets just accept all the crap thats being bestowed on us, not open our mouths about it and ask for more:cool: Pay those that are incompetent more money and give them bigger pensions:eek:

It's nothing to do with what what they're protesting about, it's the fact you can't really set up camp for as long as you like in a public area.

miss_shadow

I would have been all for it if the participants were actual working citizens who actually pay tax but driving past them they all looked like hobos who have never filled a tax form or even know what PAYE is.
They all obviously have nothing better to do than go camping in the city.

The only way the government is going to listen is if every person in Ireland stops what they are doing and decides enough is enough. But the majority have mouths to feed, mortgages to pay, lifestyles to pay for.

miss_shadow

miss_shadow wrote: »

................... who have never filled a tax form or even know what PAYE is. ...............

What's a tax form?

One can be a PAYE worker for years and years without having to fill in one of these tax forms you mention. By definition a PAYE worker isn't self assessed, their tax is paid by their employer using the employees tax credits to decide how much is paid.

corkcomp

miss_shadow wrote: »

I would have been all for it if the participants were actual working citizens who actually pay tax but driving past them they all looked like hobos who have never filled a tax form or even know what PAYE is.
They all obviously have nothing better to do than go camping in the city.

The only way the government is going to listen is if every person in Ireland stops what they are doing and decides enough is enough. But the majority have mouths to feed, mortgages to pay, lifestyles to pay for.

Couldn't agree more. Most of us couldn't spare the time away from gainful employment (be it PAYE or self assessed), its also very likely that most of us are funding these mis-guided idiots who's protesting isnt going to make a bit of difference:rolleyes:

Judes

I really hope they are gone before Friday - I hate to think that they would still be camped there on 11th November as Armistice Day is something that we all should remember and honour those who sacrified their lives for us.

I agree with the posters out there - imagine if we all tried setting up camp in a public place - we'd soon be moved on. There are better ways of protesting or making your point then being an eyesore in a city centre where we are begging for tourism which helps the economy. I view them as a hindrance not a help. They should put pen to paper, write to their TD's and Councillors, newspapers, phone in radio lines, or organise proper rallies - if they want to be a voice - that's the way to be heard.

Mr. Presentable

Any tents not occupied are litter and should be removed. I would be in favour of the Council visiting the site at 3am to check the occupants are OK and removing any and all empty tents.

badgerbaiter

Lazy good for nothings!
How many have been dossing there yet stil claiming dole and benifits as if theyre at home looking for work?
Im more annoyed at the wasters in this country than the so called "1%"
get rid of them

Plebian

miss_shadow wrote: »

I would have been all for it if the participants were actual working citizens who actually pay tax but driving past them they all looked like hobos who have never filled a tax form or even know what PAYE is.
They all obviously have nothing better to do than go camping in the city.

The only way the government is going to listen is if every person in Ireland stops what they are doing and decides enough is enough. But the majority have mouths to feed, mortgages to pay, lifestyles to pay for.

Don't be so silly. Sure there are students or unemployed involved. So what? I know may who are recently unemployed and worked in construction. Others finish their security shift and go down to help at night. During the weekend, those working midweek are there for a few hours. There's a mix of people and backgrounds involved.

I've gone to the public assembly after work at 6 and the atmosphere is great. While the talks and lectures are educational. No electoralist politicians around too, who you vote in once every 5 years to represent...and eventually repress you like the Greens and the "new" government enacting the very same policies as the last.

The occupy movement is a global reaction to the lack of democracy and the bank bailouts to those who caused the economic crisis. It is more powerful than similar in the sixties as it is working in tandem with workers, both here and globally. I's also syncing into the household tax campaign.

fedor.2.

warder6161 wrote: »

bloody right boot them out bloody eyesore walked past today about 5 people there and about 20 tents..do they really think they will make a difference tucked away in a corner of south mall !:mad:

How Irish of you

miss_shadow

RoverJames wrote: »

What's a tax form?

One can be a PAYE worker for years and years without having to fill in one of these tax forms you mention. By definition a PAYE worker isn't self assessed, their tax is paid by their employer using the employees tax credits to decide how much is paid.

I'd really appreciate it if you didn't reply to any of my posts. thankyou.

TheChizler

Differing ideologies aside, fair play to them for moving without a fuss, and acknowledging it's a public place for use by whatever other percentage needs it. Though I must admit I was looking forward to seeing the alternative.

Stark

miss_shadow wrote: »

I'd really appreciate it if you didn't reply to any of my posts. thankyou.

You're welcome.

miss_shadow

miss_shadow wrote: »

I'd really appreciate it if you didn't reply to any of my posts. thankyou.

Report them if you think they are problematic or inappropriate, I'll reply to any post I want to to be honest. If you don't want me or anyone else to reply to a post of yours best thing to do is not to post.

eth0

badgerbaiter wrote: »

Lazy good for nothings!
How many have been dossing there yet stil claiming dole and benifits as if theyre at home looking for work?
Im more annoyed at the wasters in this country than the so called "1%"
get rid of them

These days there is only so long you can spend in a day looking for work before you realise there is none.

We're going back to a time when there are no longer enough jobs for everyone. Past few decades you were either employed or a scrounger. You see even when times were good there were tons of relatively closed off 'poor countries' where people just sat on their arse or tried to grow some food to get by, those countries have since opened up and first world countries are outsourcing to them for cheap labour. We might never again see 95%+ employment

"Creating jobs" is not an option either. There are already too many jobs for the boys schemes running with the intent of squeezing more money out of the increasingly marginalised middle class. Take BER certification and Septic tank inspection for example, both industries created from scratch to give a few lads jobs and ordinary folk are being made pay to keep them afloat, a sort of glorified dole really.

Dermighty

eth0 wrote: »

"Creating jobs" is not an option either.

For some reason this reminds me of the billboards during the last general election which said: "Lets get the country working". Anyone remember that?

What the fúck were 80-90% of the country doing during this recession if they weren't working?!

miss_shadow

RoverJames wrote: »

Report them if you think they are problematic or inappropriate, I'll reply to any post I want to to be honest. If you don't want me or anyone else to reply to a post of yours best thing to do is not to post.

They are problematic. You are on boards to just wind people up. If you had any respect, you would respect my wishes. I don't mind anyone replying to any of my posts.. but.

Oafley Jones

miss_shadow wrote: »

They are problematic. You are on boards to just wind people up. If you had any respect, you would respect my wishes. I don't mind anyone replying to any of my posts.. but.

Seriously, get over yourself. Your post on not wishing him to respond to you is one of the most childish things I've seen on here. And that's saying something.

badgerbaiter

He can respond to your posts with his opinion if he likes.
Same way everyone does.

miss_shadow

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Seriously, get over yourself. Your post on not wishing him to respond to you is one of the most childish things I've seen on here. And that's saying something.

oh how dramatic :rolleyes:

Owen

miss_shadow wrote: »

oh how dramatic :rolleyes:

Rather than asking people not to reply to your post, use the ignore function built into boards.

miss_shadow

badgerbaiter wrote: »

He can respond to your posts with his opinion if he likes.
Same way everyone does.

ok. But I beg to differ that he replies like 'everyone else'

badgerbaiter

miss_shadow wrote: »

ok. But I beg to differ that he replies like 'everyone else'

Please dnt reply to my posts
thank you..

anyway.,..
Anyone heard of anymore news on what the council plan to do? It doesnt look like there moving anytime soon.

THENORTHSIDER

miss_shadow wrote: »

I would have been all for it if the participants were actual working citizens who actually pay tax but driving past them they all looked like hobos who have never filled a tax form or even know what PAYE is.
They all obviously have nothing better to do than go camping in the city.

The only way the government is going to listen is if every person in Ireland stops what they are doing and decides enough is enough. But the majority have mouths to feed, mortgages to pay, lifestyles to pay for.

Hear Hear so right with the country awash with jobs they must be scroungers claiming our taxes.

All I say is fair play if more of us had bottle and stood up to whats gone on in this country then maybe we wouldn't waiting for cuts that will be inflicted on us in Decembers budget.

Just take a little peek at the figures below and wonder how these poor souls survive.

List of Pensions and Payoffs for Cabinet Ministers since 1997 excluding current (2011) sitting TDs and deceased TDs.



Name
Annual Pension
Average Life Exp.
Total expected Pension
Lump Sum


Bertie Ahern
€148,000
20
€2,960,000
€160,000


Mary Harney
€119,800
21
€2,515,800
€243,900


Joe Walsh
€127,000
11
€1,397,000



Sile DeValera
€31,879
23
€733,217



David Andrews
€52,213
4
€208,852



Noel Dempsey
€111,120
21
€2,333,520
€328,469


Charlie McCreevy
€126,746
18
€2,281,428



Ray Burke
€109,865
12
€1,318,380



Brian Cowen
€150,000
28
€4,200,000
€166,000


John O'Donoghue
€128,293
24
€3,079,032
€310,370


Michael Woods
€111,120
3
€333,360
€328,469


Mary O'Rourke
€128,293
5
€641,465
€310,370


Dermot Ahern
€111,120
23
€2,555,760
€328,469


Jim McDaid
€75,487
17
€1,283,279
€227,000


Michael Smith
€127,000
8
€1,016,000



Frank Fahey
€53,291
19
€1,012,529
€235,368


Martin Cullen
€106,500
22
€2,343,000
€219,000


Mary Coughlan
€130,161
33
€4,295,313
€312,239


Michael McDowell
€31,013
19
€589,247



Mary Hanafin
€102,364
27
€2,763,828
€250,986


Eamon Ryan
€49,074
31
€1,521,294
€164,014


John Gormley
€63,652
27
€1,718,604
€212,274


Batt O'Keeffe
€94,366
13
€1,226,758
€328,469


Tony Killeen
€68,984
20
€1,379,680
€276,163


Pat Carey
€91,603
15
€1,374,045
€240,225


Rory O'Hanlon
€82,355
2
€164,710



Dick Roche
€94,782
15
€1,421,730
€274,160
Total




€46,667,831
€4,915,945
€51,583,776

Plebian

excellent reply* by Brian on the councils schenanigans.

What we need is to occupy local neighbourhoods with similar public assemblies (although not outdoor) which can act as a dual-power against the political class


*
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/11/11/a-message-from-occupy-cork/

In relation to threat of fines and court action against Occupy CORK….While the threat of possible fines and court action does not particularly scare me, though I am hardly happy either, I do however find it a little bit insulting.

I will leave the rhetoric for another day but consider this, what about the bankers, market speculators, politicians, CEOs’ and others who got our country into such a economical mess as well as creating or enhancing other social issues. Where is the threat to them of fines and court action? Instead some still receive huge pensions and some have been given jobs in state agencies such as NAMA.

To me it seems we should be focused on the real people at fault forthe problems in our countries. Threatening people who oppose the injustices with fines and court action is only likely to infuriate those, whether involved with Occupy Cork or not, who feel there is something unfair and unjust about what has happened to this country.

Brian Houlihan (One of those participating in Occupy Cork)

bbam

Cian92 wrote: »

A friend told me there was a large police presence at the camp last night too

Wow, would have thought the Guards would deal with it without calling Police in from I presume Britain as that's the closest Police I know off


Sorry OP, just a pet peeve of mine..

alfa beta

Oh come on - surely 'police presence' is a generic term.

In fact google 'guards' or 'garda' and you'll see that on the google search page the description under the garda website calls it the homepage of "an garda siochana - Ireland's national police service" (and they've presumably signed off on this description).

So if the Gardai are happy to describe themselves as the "national police service" what's wrong with the rest of us using the term 'police presence'?

miss_shadow

miss_shadow wrote: »

They are problematic. You are on boards to just wind people up. If you had any respect, you would respect my wishes. I don't mind anyone replying to any of my posts.. but.

report them so and let the mods decide or use the ignore function as Owen suggested no news on the tax forms though I take it ?

castie

Getting a bit sick of these topics descending into bitching
Report posts if you have an issue rather than debate them.

Secondly....

RoverJames, you are not a mod. Please leave directing posters on what to do to the mods.
Also I do not want to see you suggesting to any other posters that they not post on this forum.
Take a break from this thread.

deRanged

to add to what Castie just said, use the report post feature, the ignore feature and try to ignore the wind up merchants please.

the watchman

Why is the occupy movement there. This might be something to do with it.


http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2010/10/who-are-the-bond-holders-we-are-bailing-out/

Owen

the watchman

Its all happening here too:eek:

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

blow69

There are bigger eyesores in Cork than the Occupy crowd.


E.g. that Fas building across the river.


If they are not affecting your day to day life, why are you so opposed to their presence?

Threatening them with legal action and fines really is just a bitter paradox and says a lot about the whole situation.

SlimCi

Actually thats not a FAS building its a government building where space was leased by FAS and now is no longer

parsi

Colloquially known as the Fas Building. The exact ownership of it doesn't change the fact that it's a carbuncle.

SlimCi

lol you're right about the eyesore! But FAS gets blamed for everything so just setting the record straight that its the governments responsiblity for the upkeep.:rolleyes:

evilivor

parsi wrote: »

Colloquially known as the Fas Building. The exact ownership of it doesn't change the fact that it's a carbuncle.

There was a case to persevere it as an example of brutalist architecture.

Dob74

Fair play to them for protesting.
Would be out there with them if I wasnt working. Some people are calling them doleheads but that's nothing compared to there neighbours. The corporate doleheads making a fortune for being incompetent.



Anglo building has to be the worst architectual vandalism you'll ever see.
A 1970's style glass building next to an old school building like the Market tav. Sums up the property visually. It doesnt fit there ah sure build it anyway.

warder6161

bbam wrote: »

Wow, would have thought the Guards would deal with it without calling Police in from I presume Britain as that's the closest Police I know off


Sorry OP, just a pet peeve of mine..

guards ! if your that pedantic are they not gardai!

the watchman

Police officer who was arrested at Zuccotti Park on the 17th speaks about it here:


http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18624914

grenache

For a group of supposedly well educated middle-class people, the Occupy Cork folk come across as incredibly stupid and naive. Have heard several of them interviewed and not once could any of them say what their exact goal or aim was. Are they so stupid to think they will actually achieve anything, that they will make the powers that be sit up and take notice? :rolleyes: All they have achieved is managing to p*ss off the City Council and Electric Bar. Nothing more than a bunch of freeloading wasters with nothing better to do than sit around all week smoking their dope. When they do get up off their asses it's to claim their dole money.

The only way to make this goverment understand (and conversely the politicians througout the EU) is to hit them where it hurts - in the pocket. A total strike by people is the only card to play. Shut down all businesses for one day - the nuclear option would certainly have the desired effect. Marching, camping, and other time-wasting protests are absolutely useless and futuile. They achieve nothing. It's akin to writing a letter of complaint to North Korea authorities over the treatment of its people and expecting a reply. I wish people would realise this!