Becoming an officer in the Royal Irish Regiment

YoungSoldier

I was wondering,
After you do the year long training, do you return to Ireland?

Do they bring you family etc over to England to see you?

In General how often are you deployed to different countries?

I'm 15, can I put my name down now??

Thanks,
Richy.

OS119

YoungSoldier wrote: »

I was wondering,
After you do the year long training, do you return to Ireland?

Do they bring you family etc over to England to see you?

In General how often are you deployed to different countries?

I'm 15, can I put my name down now??

no - the year is at RMAS, there are then other courses to complete, the 16 week Platoon Commanders Battle Course at Brecon being the obvious - and you will then be sent wherever your regiment is (Tern Hill in Shropshire for 1RIR), or wherever the Army has need of a brand new 2nd Lt.

the Army takes no responsiblity for your family's travel arrangements. its your problem.

currently a light role Inf Bn can expect to undertake an Afghan tour every 24 to 30 months - the tour takes 7 months, the build-up training for that tour takes between 8 and 12 months, and you'll be away most of that. you will then undertake Brigade level training at BATUS in Canada when you get back. you will also undertake operational taskings to the Falklands, training in Norway, Kenya, the US and Canada.

in all expect to spend 12 months out of every 24 overseas, and the rest slogging your tits off on UK training areas or on adventure training exercises.

no, you may not apply at 15 - for a popular regiment like 1RIR you will need a good degree, a sub-9 minute 1.5 mile time, and be a very good candidate. the best preperation is to join a TA or OTC unit when at uni (personally, i'g go TA and get a tour under your belt) and apply while at uni.

alex18

YoungSoldier wrote: »

After you do the year long training, do you return to Ireland?

When you are on leave then go will be able to go home.

YoungSoldier wrote: »

Do they bring you family etc over to England to see you?

No. Although, if you are injured while serving the army does go to great lengths to get your family to your bedside. Whole family groups have been flown out from Australia before now by the MoD so they can be with thier son/brother/husband in Selly Oak.

YoungSoldier wrote: »

In General how often are you deployed to different countries?

Fairly regularly. As OS119 said, 12 out of 24 is pretty standard. As well as operational tours you have exercises on BATUS or BATUK, roulement infantry duties in the Falklands and so on.

YoungSoldier wrote: »

I'm 15, can I put my name down now??

You can certainly register your interest through the AFCO. If you get your name down then you can go on on trips to Sandhurst or to visit the regiment you want to join occasionally. Ideally you want to be sponsored by the regiment.

This means that you get to know the regiment and they get to know you. This is turn gives you a much greater chance (depending of course on your performance at Sandhurst) of getting accepted by RIR.

Rhys Essien

YoungSoldier wrote: »

I was wondering,
After you do the year long training, do you return to Ireland?

Do they bring you family etc over to England to see you?

In General how often are you deployed to different countries?

I'm 15, can I put my name down now??

Thanks,
Richy.

Id say by the time you are 18 the Irish army will be recruiting again.You will be paid better and better conditions.What is your appeal to join the British army?.
IMO in 2011, the British should not be killing innocent people using our name,al la royal Irish regiment.

RMD

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Id say by the time you are 18 the Irish army will be recruiting again.You will be paid better and better conditions.What is your appeal to join the British army?.
IMO in 2011, the British should not be killing innocent people using our name,al la royal Irish regiment.

So should they just let the Taliban retake control of Afghanistan? Since it seems like you're not aware, there is also Irish soldiers from the PDF involved in the ISAF contingent.

alex18

Rhys Essien wrote: »

What is your appeal to join the British army?.
IMO in 2011, the British should not be killing innocent people using our name,al la royal Irish regiment.

Very nice dear, now go back to 1970 please.

gizmo555

RMD wrote: »

So should they just let the Taliban retake control of Afghanistan?

Why not? It's their country . . .

OS119

gizmo555 wrote: »

Why not? It's their country . . .

the same could be said for the CIRA in Ireland, or the 1930's Blueshirts, or indeed the Anti-Treaty IRA - they were all composed of Irish people, but they weren't composed of all Irish people, in the same way that the Taliban (of their many hues) don't include all, most, or even a sizable minority of Afghan people.

or are they less deserving than Irish people of the right to choose their own government regardless of the actions of a loud minority?

Lemming

gizmo555 wrote: »

Why not? It's their country . . .

Taliban != Afghani.


A sizeable portion of Taliban recruits are in fact not Afghan, but foreigners (either originating from Pakistan, or arriving via Pakistan typically). Yes there are Afghans in the mix, but to imply being Taliban equates to Afghan nationality is foolish and woefully ignorant.

But you knew all of this already of course.

alex18

gizmo555 wrote: »

Why not? It's their country . . .

The Nazis were German, therefore they should have been left alone?

gizmo555

alex18 wrote: »

The Nazis were German, therefore they should have been left alone?

The Taliban are an atrocious bunch, but as we have seen as recently as yesterday, they're not the only ones committing atrocities in Afghanistan:

A US army sergeant was convicted by court-martial yesterday of murdering unarmed civilians and cutting fingers from their corpses as ringleader of a rogue platoon in Afghanistan's Kandahar province.

The guilty verdict on all counts, returned after five hours of deliberations, carried an automatic life prison sentence, but the five-member jury panel then decided that Staff Sgt Calvin Gibbs (26) would be eligible for parole in eight-and-a-half years.

(How extraordinary, by the way, that Gibbs is likely to be released in less than nine years after such a horrendous crime.)

IMO, all the foreign troops in Afghanistan should get the hell out and leave things to the Afghan people to sort out among themselves. You are being disingenuous, OS119, if you really expect people to believe that the US and other armies in Afghanistan are there to bring freedom and democratic choice to the people of that country.

djk1000

I was wondering how long it would take for a thread on an Irish guy joining the British army, to get completely derailed. Now I know!:D

gizmo555

djk1000 wrote: »

I was wondering how long it would take for a thread on an Irish guy joining the British army, to get completely derailed. Now I know!:D

It's not derailed - an Irish guy joining the British army under the present circumstances is almost certain to be deployed to Afghanistan. They will be in a real live shooting war and risk coming home in a body bag as other Irish guys serving in the British army already have.

It's up to the OP and other people considering joining to decide for themselves whether the Afghan war is justifiable and a cause worth them risking their lives and limbs for and worth them being prepared to kill for.

Personally, I don't. I recognise others may differ, but to suggest even discussing the point in a thread on enlisting in the BA is off-topic is nonsense.

getz

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's not derailed - an Irish guy joining the British army under the present circumstances is almost certain to be deployed to Afghanistan. They will be in a real live shooting war and risk coming home in a body bag as other Irish guys serving in the British army already have.

It's up to the OP and other people considering joining to decide for themselves whether the Afghan war is justifiable and a cause worth them risking their lives and limbs for and worth them being prepared to kill for.

Personally, I don't. I recognise others may differ, but to suggest even discussing the point in a thread on enlisting in the BA is off-topic is nonsense.

why dont you just admit it, for you its just that british thing,any one who joins any army has to realise he could be involved in a conflict, the iraq coflict is near as finished.troops are pulling now pulling out, in afghnistan ,the afghan goverment are being trained up and will soon be preparing to take take over the UN roll,the lad may believe joining the BA for him is the way to go.

djk1000

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's not derailed - an Irish guy joining the British army under the present circumstances is almost certain to be deployed to Afghanistan. They will be in a real live shooting war and risk coming home in a body bag as other Irish guys serving in the British army already have.

It's up to the OP and other people considering joining to decide for themselves whether the Afghan war is justifiable and a cause worth them risking their lives and limbs for and worth them being prepared to kill for.

Personally, I don't. I recognise others may differ, but to suggest even discussing the point in a thread on enlisting in the BA is off-topic is nonsense.

The OP asked some questions, presumably to seek answers to those questions. You've posted about American atrocities in afganistan amongst other things, suggesting that the thread has not been derailed is nonsense. If you have something to talk about, start your own thread, here you're just trolling.

getz

in a strange way the lad can feel comfort in the fact that the BA is the main force of NATO, and as ireland is neutral and not a member,yet it is enjoying de facto protection from NATO,

OS119

gizmo555 wrote: »

..I recognise others may differ, but to suggest even discussing the point in a thread on enlisting in the BA is off-topic is nonsense.

its disingenuous of you to suggest that 'its not being discussed when it ought to be' when as you will see from the first reply that the OP got, that it was made crystal clear that as a platoon commader in the BA he would be going to Afghanistan, and lots of other uncomfortable places, pretty quickly.

had it been suggested that the OP would spend his life on skiiing trips to the Alps, or digging wells in Kenya and shagging gap year students, then you would have a point. but it wasn't, so you don't.

pablomakaveli

gizmo555 wrote: »

The Taliban are an atrocious bunch, but as we have seen as recently as yesterday, they're not the only ones committing atrocities in Afghanistan:

A US army sergeant was convicted by court-martial yesterday of murdering unarmed civilians and cutting fingers from their corpses as ringleader of a rogue platoon in Afghanistan's Kandahar province.

The guilty verdict on all counts, returned after five hours of deliberations, carried an automatic life prison sentence, but the five-member jury panel then decided that Staff Sgt Calvin Gibbs (26) would be eligible for parole in eight-and-a-half years.

(How extraordinary, by the way, that Gibbs is likely to be released in less than nine years after such a horrendous crime.)

IMO, all the foreign troops in Afghanistan should get the hell out and leave things to the Afghan people to sort out among themselves. You are being disingenuous, OS119, if you really expect people to believe that the US and other armies in Afghanistan are there to bring freedom and democratic choice to the people of that country.

The bolded bit is important when comparing the two. That platoon acted against orders. The Talibans violence against Afghans is official policy for them.

YoungSoldier

Sorry for yet another question:/
But when you set off for training in Sandhurst, will you not see your wife for a long time? I know its prob a stupid question but like you could be deployed straight after the training?? Can your wife be with you during training??

cruasder777

YoungSoldier wrote: »

Sorry for yet another question:/
But when you set off for training in Sandhurst, will you not see your wife for a long time? I know its prob a stupid question but like you could be deployed straight after the training?? Can your wife be with you during training??

If you apply to be an officer or a soldier and you are married your application will not be succesful.

They dont like recruits who are married, history shows they have a far higher drop out rate and alot more complications.

alex18

YoungSoldier wrote: »

Sorry for yet another question:/
But when you set off for training in Sandhurst, will you not see your wife for a long time? I know its prob a stupid question but like you could be deployed straight after the training?? Can your wife be with you during training??

After your 1st Term at Sandhurst you will be able to leave the camp every few weekends.

cruasder777 wrote: »

If you apply to be an officer or a soldier and you are married your application will not be succesful.

That is pure rubbish.

cruasder777

alex18 wrote: »

After your 1st Term at Sandhurst you will be able to leave the camp every few weekends.


That is pure rubbish.

Do you really think your 10 weeks as a Royal Marine recruit qualifies you to make such statements Alex ?

You will also be rejected if you have family members or children soley dependent on you.

They dont like to recruit married because potentially the MOD will have to pay out money and a pension if you are KIA.


Her Majesty's Armed Forces Application Form Guidance Notes

www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/AFCO_Form5-U.pdf

alex18

cruasder777 wrote: »

Do you really think your 10 weeks as a Royal Marine recruit qualifies you to make such statements Alex ?

I've got no idea how you thought that one up.

cruasder777 wrote: »

You will also be rejected if you have family members or children soley dependent on you.

According to the very document you provided:
"The Armed Forces (including the Volunteer and Reserve Forces) often require you to serve away from home for extended periods. The Service you are applying for needs to be sure that your domestic arrangements will not prevent you from doing this. If you are married, or have children or family members who are dependent on you for money or help or both, then certain conditions of service apply."

You don't get barred from serving just thourgh being married or having kids.

Indeed, there was a recent doncumentary on the BBC about young army recruits, one of them was a single parent. Not only did he join, but he passed out as a top recruit.

cruasder777 wrote: »

They dont like to recruit married because potentially the MOD will have to pay out money and a pension if you are KIA.

To put it bluntly, what matters in the recruitment process is what score you get at each stage and whether you end up passing the selection board or not.

Your marital status doesn't come into it.

cruasder777

I never said you were barred from service for having kids, you are if they are soley dependent on you. Obviously that guys kids were not soley dependent on him. To claim its possible to be a soldier and single parent is ridiculous. Obviously if his Mother is bringing up his kids they are not soley dependent on him.

And no they wont accept you if you are married as I just explained, if you get killed and lets say you are 19 they potentially have to pay your wife a widows pension for decades as well as a large lump sum.

But of course you know better, you saw it on tv :rolleyes:

You really dont have a clue what you are on about.

Its not the same situation in the TA, they will accept you if you are married because they dont have to pay the same pension. A military widows pension is based on pay and service.

Hence why many TA troops take out private insurance.

OS119

to: anyone reading this drivel.

Crusader77 hasn't got the slightest clue what he's talking about, he is factually incorrect on all of the above issues.

please, in future, disregard absolutely anything he says with regards to recruitment into the UK armed forces (and, if you're smart, everything else), as he's talking out of his smarty tube.

if you have questions, please visit the websites - the official websites, not the crap that he's posted which are private, billy-no-mates jobs - ring the careers offices, or email them using the addresses given on the Army/Navy/RAF websites.

cruasder777

OS119 wrote: »

to: anyone reading this drivel.

Crusader77 hasn't got the slightest clue what he's talking about, he is factually incorrect on all of the above issues.

please, in future, disregard absolutely anything he says with regards to recruitment into the UK armed forces (and, if you're smart, everything else), as he's talking out of his smarty tube.

if you have questions, please visit the websites - the official websites, not the crap that he's posted which are private, billy-no-mates jobs - ring the careers offices, or email them using the addresses given on the Army/Navy/RAF websites.

Cant you read ?

"The Service you are applying for needs to be sure that your domestic arrangements will not prevent you from doing this. If you are married, or have children or family members who are dependent on you for money or help or both, then certain conditions of service apply."


......You will not be accepted into the RIR or other infantry regments if you are married. I know this for a fact.

OS119

cruasder777 wrote: »

Cant you read ?

hello Pot, this is Kettle - send colour state, over.

the quote you post says nothing of the sort, it does not state that being married, or having children, is an issue that precludes enlistment or commissioning.

i realise that to everyone else your drivel is so inconsequential that its not worth reading, but you would have thought that you yourself would have read what you'd scrawled written, and realised that it doesn't say what you allege it does.

now go away and lick the inside of a plastic bag.

cruasder777

OS119 wrote: »

hello Pot, this is Kettle - send colour state, over.

the quote you post says nothing of the sort, it does not state that being married, or having children, is an issue that precludes enlistment or commissioning.

i realise that to everyone else your drivel is so inconsequential that its not worth reading, but you would have thought that you yourself would have read what you'd scrawled written, and realised that it doesn't say what you allege it does.

now go away and lick the inside of a plastic bag.

You obviously have no experience of the British army, if you try to join the infantry and are married they wont want to know you.

The quote says " If you are married, or have children or family members who are dependent on you for money or help or both, then certain conditions of service apply."

Does this not ring a bell brainiac ? Or switch on a braincell ?

cruasder777

OS119 wrote: »

no - the year is at RMAS, there are then other courses to complete, the 16 week Platoon Commanders Battle Course at Brecon being the obvious - and you will then be sent wherever your regiment is (Tern Hill in Shropshire for 1RIR), or wherever the Army has need of a brand new 2nd Lt.

the Army takes no responsiblity for your family's travel arrangements. its your problem.

currently a light role Inf Bn can expect to undertake an Afghan tour every 24 to 30 months - the tour takes 7 months, the build-up training for that tour takes between 8 and 12 months, and you'll be away most of that. you will then undertake Brigade level training at BATUS in Canada when you get back. you will also undertake operational taskings to the Falklands, training in Norway, Kenya, the US and Canada.

in all expect to spend 12 months out of every 24 overseas, and the rest slogging your tits off on UK training areas or on adventure training exercises.

no, you may not apply at 15 - for a popular regiment like 1RIR you will need a good degree, a sub-9 minute 1.5 mile time, and be a very good candidate. the best preperation is to join a TA or OTC unit when at uni (personally, i'g go TA and get a tour under your belt) and apply while at uni.

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"no, you may not apply at 15 - for a popular regiment like 1RIR you will need a good degree"



.......You can apply at 15 yrs and 4 months for the army foundation college AFCH, so once again your info is wrong, you also make it known what regiment you are intrested in becoming an officer in and no a degree is not essential.

Nor do you need a sub 9 minute mile and a half to join the RIR :rolleyes:




"currently a light role Inf Bn can expect to undertake an Afghan tour every 24 to 30 months "

....Depends on the infantry battalion, some have only been out once to Afghanistan.


Dont join a TA unit at Uni, unless as a TASO, if you do you can be called to serve overseas, which will mess your degree up, for that reason uni students join the UOTC at uni.



Please stop posting stuff you clearly dont know about.

tfitzgerald

getz wrote: »

in a strange way the lad can feel comfort in the fact that the BA is the main force of NATO, and as ireland is neutral and not a member,yet it is enjoying de facto protection from NATO,

Protection from whom ? Because if it comes to it NATO won't be protecting us one little bit. And if the op wants to join the BRitish army why not at least he will get to play with some big guns there

OS119

cruasder777 wrote: »

i don't have the slightest dribbling clue what i'm talking about, but posting loads of crap i found on the internet makes me feel better about my tragic, bereft life - and i knock one out over soldier magazine after i buy it in WHSmiths...

i'm sure it does.

being the genius that you obviously are, you'll know that TA soldiers who are studying at university are exempt from compulsory mobilisation.

now go and suck on an exhaust pipe and rid the world of your baleful, ignorant and utterly dull presence.

cruasder777

OS119 wrote: »

i'm sure it does.

being the genius that you obviously are, you'll know that TA soldiers who are studying at university are exempt from compulsory mobilisation.

now go and suck on an exhaust pipe and rid the world of your baleful, ignorant and utterly dull presence.

Wrong again brainiac, under code one of the Queens regulations all type A TA regular unit members can be called up for service. With 35,500 personal but only around 1,200 serving overseas at any time it may be unlikely but officially it can happen.

The whole point of the UOTC is so you dont get called up for service even if you are training in a Type A TA unit as a officially you are a Territorial Army Sponsored Officer (TASO), this is the only exemption. Thus just joining the TA as a regular member will not exempt you from service if you are a student, you have to join as a TASO.

Oh dear you now resort to silly name calling pathetic.

Please stop posting bogus information.

Lemming

cruasder777 wrote: »

Wrong again brainiac, under code one of the Queens regulations all type A TA regular unit members can be called up for service. With 35,500 personal but only around 1,200 serving overseas at any time it may be unlikely but officially it can happen.

The whole point of the UOTC is so you dont get called up for service even if you are training in a Type A TA unit as a officially you are a Territorial Army Sponsored Officer (TASO), this is the only exemption. Thus just joining the TA as a regular member will not exempt you from service if you are a student, you have to join as a TASO.

Oh dear you now resort to silly name calling pathetic.

Please stop posting bogus information.

Funny all that; cause my other half got pulled from deployment with her TA unit to Iraq because she was category B (i.e. a student). Went through all the pre-deployment build up, and then someone obviously gave the personnel files a once-over and spotted that she was a student and she got canned; literally just before deployment.

So crusader, you might want to take a step back, breath, and think about what you're posting. What you've tried to imply by innuendo is plain dishonest and wrong. Have you even read what you yourself just posted above? 'type A' (i.e. category A) personnel can be sent; students are not category 'A'. Yes, the OTC is there if you want to go for it. Or you can just join the TA anyway; you'll still be recorded as a student, unless of course you lie ....

Just as a refresher; this is what you wrote prior to your last post on the matter of students in the TA:

cruasder777 wrote: »

Dont join a TA unit at Uni, unless as a TASO, if you do you can be called to serve overseas, which will mess your degree up, for that reason uni students join the UOTC at uni.

Manic Moran

OS119 wrote: »

now go and suck on an exhaust pipe and rid the world of your baleful, ignorant and utterly dull presence.

That was a little beyond what the charter allows for. Infracted.

NTM

cruasder777

Lemming wrote: »

Funny all that; cause my other half got pulled from deployment with her TA unit to Iraq because she was category B (i.e. a student). Went through all the pre-deployment build up, and then someone obviously gave the personnel files a once-over and spotted that she was a student and she got canned; literally just before deployment.

So crusader, you might want to take a step back, breath, and think about what you're posting. What you've tried to imply by innuendo is plain dishonest and wrong. Have you even read what you yourself just posted above? 'type A' (i.e. category A) personnel can be sent; students are not category 'A'. Yes, the OTC is there if you want to go for it. Or you can just join the TA anyway; you'll still be recorded as a student, unless of course you lie ....

Just as a refresher; this is what you wrote prior to your last post on the matter of students in the TA:

Its not plain and wrong and dishonest, ok let me explain more clearly, Type A and B refer to units NOT individuals.

Type A are regular TA units, Type B UOTC/univeristy units.

The only people officially exempt from service are those in Type B units and those in Type A units who are undergoing TASO/territorial army sponsored officer training.

If your student girlfriend who serves in a regular type A unit was called up but pulled because she was a student, but not is not a TASO, this was down to her commander following MOD guidelines, alternatively if could have been an admin error.

Under Queens regulations code one officially she could have been called up.


Anyway Ive had enough of this lifes to short.

amurph0

getz wrote: »

in a strange way the lad can feel comfort in the fact that the BA is the main force of NATO, and as ireland is neutral and not a member,yet it is enjoying de facto protection from NATO,

Because Ireland is not a member of NATO (i.e. not in a military alliance with it's member states) it means that NATO is under no obligation to protect Ireland if attacked. Although they may choose to if it is within their interest.

That's basically the whole point of NATO. To be under the protection of NATO you must be a member of it, and provide support for other member states if they are attacked.

And what do you mean by "main force of NATO"? If you mean the largest then that would obviously be the US.

Manic Moran

Lemming wrote: »

Funny all that; cause my other half got pulled from deployment with her TA unit to Iraq because she was category B (i.e. a student). Went through all the pre-deployment build up, and then someone obviously gave the personnel files a once-over and spotted that she was a student and she got canned; literally just before deployment.

Doesn't necessarily mean much. I give the students in my unit a lot more leeway in absence requests than I do others. For starters, the legal protections are much looser than they are with a job. Secondly, schools work on their own calendar, and you need to rejoin the class on the school's schedule. When you're absent a job, they can probably hire a temp to fill in. Who will fill in your education?

If the admin personnel are being allowed a little discretion, then good.

NTM

getz

amurph0 wrote: »

Because Ireland is not a member of NATO (i.e. not in a military alliance with it's member states) it means that NATO is under no obligation to protect Ireland if attacked. Although they may choose to if it is within their interest.

That's basically the whole point of NATO. To be under the protection of NATO you must be a member of it, and provide support for other member states if they are attacked.

And what do you mean by "main force of NATO"? If you mean the largest then that would obviously be the US.

it is the main force in europe ,france does not fully commit to all NATO branches,ie its not part of the defence planning committee and the stationing of nuclear weapons,on a note,ernest bevin was the main drive behind the creation of NATO,