Campy Electronic almost ready for sale.

bcmf

Releasing 2 gruppos.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/campagnolo-launch-electronic-eps-groups-32306
But seriously why does the FD have to be so damn ugly!

Twenty years and four generations in the making, Campagnolo have finally presented not just one but two electronic groups: Record EPS (Electronic Power Shift) and Super Record EPS, both have identical functionality but slight differences in weight and bearing performance just like the mechanical analogues.

Like Shimano's Dura-Ace and Ultegra Di2 electronic systems, Campagnolo promises foolproof shifting accuracy and reliability plus faster gear changes than with mechanical groups. But Campagnolo's EPS will also uniquely offer riders a lever feel that more closely mimics mechanical systems for genuine tactile – and audible – feedback, not to mention even better multi-shift capability of current Record and Super Record groups, all at a weight penalty of around 200g.

Lumen

Apparently the derailleurs make a fap, fap sound when they shift.

Cookie_Monster

Just like Di2, however, EPS should also need no adjustments whatsoever after the initial setup. Unlike with conventional cables and housing whose performance can change over time, EPS's digital signals will remain consistent for more predictable performance and reduced maintenance.

maybe so, but come the nuclear apocalypse and the associated EMP blasts it'll be useless... Then who'll be laughing!

Diarmuid

Lumen wrote: »

Apparently the derailleurs make a fap, fap sound when they shift.

There will be a chorus of faps when the Campag fans get their hand(s) on these.

doozerie

Cookie_Monster wrote:

maybe so, but come the nuclear apocalypse and the associated EMP blasts it'll be useless... Then who'll be laughing!

Here you go:

The EPS rear derailleur also allows for the electric motor to become uncoupled from worm gear system in order to prevent damage. The system is easily recoupled, however, this feature also allows for the derailleur to be manually positioned, should the battery die out on the road

...so in the event of an EMP blast you have the equivalent of 11 single-speed wheels at your disposal but presented in a convenient single wheel package. Who's laughing now, eh? EH? The next step is to design a mechanical means of changing the gears rather than having to stop and get off the bike to do it. A post nuclear world will give plenty of time to come up with something there, 'cos there'll be sod all on the telly to act as a distraction.

I'd be keen to give this a try, when (if!) it becomes affordable in a few years time. I should know better than to be too enthusiastic about something that relies heavily on software to function, but it's just soooo shiny. They even seem to have kept the (in)capabilities of Dublin City Council (disclaimer: other hopelessly struggling regional City/County Councils are available) in mind too in their design, which was thoughtful of them:

Campagnolo tested the EPS front derailleur to operate under 1m of water for 30 minutes without leaking

AstraMonti

Does it support multiple up/down on changing gears? Di2 annoyed me too much with the one up-down.

Lumen

AstraMonti wrote: »

Does it support multiple up/down on changing gears?

Yes.

AstraMonti

Awesome.. depending on price.. I might have a brand new SR11 for sale soon

ednwireland

god its ugly

(i know shimano's is but this is campag)

bcmf

AstraMonti wrote: »

Does it support multiple up/down on changing gears? Di2 annoyed me too much with the one up-down.

Not just 3 down 5 up......lets do it properly!

From the article.
'Campagnolo have also managed to actually improve on Ergopower's Multi-Shift capability. Whereas current Super Record and Record levers can downshift up to three cogs and upshift up to five, EPS can move the chain across the entire cassette with one command. Instead of having to repeatedly push the button, EPS's switches are time-sensitive, meaning the rear derailleur will move more positions depending on how long the rider holds down the button and you only need a 1.5-second-long push to move across all 11 rear cogs.'

Chips Lovell

And it autotrims the front mech while you're doing it.

bcmf

AstraMonti wrote: »

Awesome.. depending on price...

So will it be Record or SR with price TBC*




*Campy speak for only the Lord Sugar type of affordability

victorcarrera

Anybody know if I can connect it to my Tom Tom GPS to tell me what gear I'm in and when to change gears ? I get confused between the left and right gears sometimes.

Chips Lovell

On the whole, I like the look of it, but I certainly wouldn't be in a hurry to buy it.

Some stuff I would have like to have seen would be ancillary shift buttons, TT shifters, and a separate battery back that would allow people to jury rig their own batteries for placement in seatposts etc.

bcmf

victorcarrera wrote: »

Anybody know if I can connect it to my Tom Tom GPS to tell me what gear I'm in and when to change gears ? I get confused between the left and right gears sometimes.

This gruppo will be so fantastic it will be able to do whatever you want it to.*









*may not be true.

doozerie

victorcarrera wrote:

Anybody know if I can connect it to my Tom Tom GPS to tell me what gear I'm in and when to change gears ?

Would you want it to? As an Italian brand you'd get one of three flavours of "guidance":

* The hot-headed version: "You are in the wrong gear, you are ALWAYS in the wrong gear! Change now, now, NOW! Mama mia, swear-ey, swear-ey, SWEAR-EY..."
* The calm version: "Hey, any gear is fine. Change gear? Sure, if you want to".
* The Sicilian version: "Change gear now or a horse dies and we deliver the head to you while you sleep".

Hungrycol

Dura Ace FD is nicer looking as is their battery.

I think Shimano did this the right way around, introduced the Di2 before 11 speed and got a foothold in the electronic shifting market. I believe the DA 11 speed is also in the making as I know the shifter can be easily set up for it, I was told. Electronic shifting is more of a future improvement than putting another cog on the cassette. I can imagine Campagnolo R&D being all "This is Spinal Tap" in their launch of 11 speed while the Japanese were reinventing the gearing system in the background.

AstraMonti

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/video-campagnolos-new-electronic-eps-groups-in-action

Watching these three videos really put me off, it's noisy and slow to respond. Also the battery is too big, I would expect the italians to design it a bit better.

not sane

I'm a Campy fan more for its durability than looks, but the electronic stuff looks really crap, glad it looks crap because I coudn't afford it anyway.

AstraMonti

Some very nice videos from Campagnolo about the EPS. They make it look so awesome it's scary.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CampagnoloSrl

And I think the most interesting one is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULiQykflaV0

manwithaplan

When electronic shifting becomes commonplace, I want a button that allows me pair my shifters with my competitors' derailleurs.

kumate_champ07

manwithaplan wrote: »

When electronic shifting becomes commonplace, I want a button that allows me pair my shifters with my competitors' derailleurs.

reminded me of this:
"Apparently, bar-end shifters were developed because the Italians were notorious cheats, and had a reputation for swatting other riders' downtube shifters during climbs." "Team Cinzano style," I said. "Exactly. So bar-end shifters were made so that riders could shield their shifting with their hands, to prevent that."

http://nooneline.blogspot.com/2009/01/smell-of-campagnolo-grease.html

Chips Lovell

They never really took off though, did they? As far as I recall most pros were still using downtube shifters prior to integrated levers.

You can do the same trick with Shimano levers. I remember someone telling me they say Kelly pull that stunt a few years ago, leaning across and whacking someone into the small ring before taking off. Tried it myself afterwards.

Icyseanfitz

Italian electronics hmmmmm what could possibly go wrong

AstraMonti

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Italian electronics hmmmmm what could possibly go wrong

Oh no.. not again.. :rolleyes:

JacksonHeightsOwn

ive heard a price of €4000 being bandied about for the Super record version.

seriously, who in gods name is going to pay that for a groupset????? :eek:

AstraMonti

chrisbonnie wrote: »

ive heard a price of €4000 being bandied about for the Super record version.

seriously, who in gods name is going to pay that for a groupset????? :eek:

From what I 've read it seems that the Record version will be the same price or slightly more expensive than Di2 and SR will be around 300-400euros more. I am just guessing that the full record gruppo will appear at 2300-2400 and the SR-Ti version will be close to the 2800-3.000. It's crazy money indeed.. I am curious though how much derailleurs, battery, shifters package will cost.

AstraMonti

http://eps.campagnolo.com/en

Site is up.

morana

victorcarrera wrote: »

Anybody know if I can connect it to my Tom Tom GPS to tell me what gear I'm in and when to change gears ? I get confused between the left and right gears sometimes.

I think this is what the future holds! Why shouldnt you be able to load a workout into your pm computer for certain wattages and the EPS/Di2 works with the computer to try ensure you achieve the wattages at whatever cadence you wish.

So for this time of the year you would have lots of Strength Endurance workouts loaded 53x13/12....wouldnt you?

not sane

Its all getting boring now. Remember not so long ago when new carbon fibre bikes where being brought out it was interesting to see what they would be like. Can't say the same today they all look the same except for little gimmicks here and there (just me).

AstraMonti

not sane wrote: »

Its all getting boring now. Remember not so long ago when new carbon fibre bikes where being brought out it was interesting to see what they would be like. Can't say the same today they all look the same except for little gimmicks here and there (just me).

I think unless a nuclear reaction happens and we start growing legs on our heads a bike .. will look like a bike. After the Penny-farthing all the other bikes have the same notion of shape..

I mean if I was to argue for something I would say that we are getting something that doesn't need external power to work (apart from the human body) connected with something that does require it (the battery).

But I don't want to argue, this is a gadget, and I love gadgets and I can't wait when all the cabling and the batteries and the power meters and the gps are built inside the carbon fiber so we have a super clean look with no cables!

Rofo

not sane wrote: »

I'm a Campy fan more for its durability than looks, but the electronic stuff looks really crap, glad it looks crap because I coudn't afford it anyway.

It really is ugly. The front derailleur and battery are a disgrace!

doozerie

Vladimir Kurtains wrote:

They never really took off though, did they? As far as I recall most pros were still using downtube shifters prior to integrated levers.

I believe they were popular for the likes of Paris-Roubaix, for some riders anyway. I seem to recall reading somewhere that riders fell off far less when all they had to do was slide their hands down the bars to change gear rather than take a hand entirely off the bars.

el tel

"But Campagnolo's EPS will also uniquely offer riders a lever feel that more closely mimics mechanical systems for genuine tactile – and audible – feedback, not to mention even better multi-shift capability of current Record and Super Record groups, all at a weight penalty of around 200g. "

Sounds like they couldn't engineer it to feel nice and be quiet

bcmf

I dont think they wanted it too.
I mean one of the main distuinguishing points between it and Shimano is the shifting feel.
Shimano's soft buttery shift compared to Campy's assured 'clunk'.

AstraMonti

bcmf wrote: »

I dont think they wanted it too.
I mean one of the main distuinguishing points between it and Shimano is the shifting feel.
Shimano's soft buttery shift compared to Campy's assured 'clunk'.

Exactly. All the praising reviews so far about EPS state exactly that, Campa has succesfully replicated the already excellent feel of changing gears to the electronic.

AstraMonti

Athena EPS

Timmyboy

I've aserious issue (emotional, practical and mechanical) about having a battery (other than one which is tiny and invisible and recharged by cycling) necessary on a bicycle.

This issue has been around a long time.

It must have been easy to design a charging mechanism into one of the derailleur jockey wheels. How easy I'm guessing it would have been really difficult but I've no doubt that it could have been done and to have a small permanent battery located somewhere made out of QuinLithium material that would last for 70 years or so.

But no. Campag takes a shortcut.

This is a reminder to me of various shortcuts that Campy took when bringing out there mountain bike components around the early 1990's.

Battery. This is a big big Campy fail.

bcmf

The big Campy fail is that poxy looking FD.







nearly as ugly as the ****mano one

Lumen

Timmyboy wrote: »

It must have been easy to design a charging mechanism into one of the derailleur jockey wheels. How easy I'm guessing it would have been really difficult

Yes, these easy but really difficult problems are both easy and really difficult.

AstraMonti

http://www.bike24.com/p229171.html

Only 2.899,00€ , buy now to avail this amazing offer.. .. that's a lot of money..

Lumen

AstraMonti wrote: »

http://www.bike24.com/p229171.html

Only 2.899,00€ , buy now to avail this amazing offer.. .. that's a lot of money..

2700 at jedisports

http://www.jedi-sports.de/product_info.php/info/p4198_Campagnolo-Record-EPS-2-x-11-Groupset-2012.html

AstraMonti

And Super Record at 3.249,00 ..

Note to self: Win the lotto soon.

Chips Lovell

I don't think I'd buy it until it's second or third iteration. At the moment it just looks a bit awkward. I prefer until hidden batteries and tidied away cables etc. become a standard.

AstraMonti

You are right, it doesn't look pretty but it must be really sweet to operate.

ednwireland

Lumen wrote: »

2700 at jedisports

http://www.jedi-sports.de/product_info.php/info/p4198_Campagnolo-Record-EPS-2-x-11-Groupset-2012.html

bargain i'll have 2:)

bcmf

So I saw it in the flesh. On a Movistar Dogma.
Found a bike shop 'velo ecosse' (on Mrs. bcmf's mac so haven't a clue how to copy and paste a link plus was in The Clositers pub in which I tried several beers ) up the road from the apt where I am staying.
The bike was in the window and the young fella working there was only too happy to take it out for a touchy feel.
Priced at £10,500 it was beautiful.
He said the bike came with Bora 1's but changed them to Ultra's.
There were no pedals attached so even trying to haggle a test ride at 5.30 on a sat eve was outta the question.
Felt v light considering its a Pina.
The shifters and clicks felt just like the the mechanical version but 'easier'...kinda hard to describe. The young fella just had the back wheel raised for me to try.
Didn't get to try the FD but its , to my eye, nowhere as near a fugly as the pics led me to believe it was.
The RD just looks gorgeous.
Considering there is a brand new Evans shop just opened 10mns away that have a bike set up with Ultegra Di2 and given a choice on looks alone...
EPS hands down. Given the EPS was on the Pina really did it justice.
Now where to get my hands on £10,500.......

doozerie

I hadn't realised that EPS was being test ridden last year:

As you might imagine, Campy claims the production EPS system is waterproof—even team MoviStar mechanics’ pressure washers didn't breach the seals. (The team raced pre-production EPS systems for the whole 2011 season.)

I'm also surprised at how few pro teams are using it this year (3, apparently and "just" Record EPS it seems like from that page, not Super Record EPS).

As a Campag fan I'd have to say it does interest me (aesthetics fall far down the list of my priorities so that's not a hurdle), but the price is beyond what I'm willing to pay for a groupset. Mind you, I'm pretty sure I said something like that before buying my current bike too, and before buying the bike before that...