Hornadys new 17 hornet

The Big Fella

Would make a lovely 200 yard rabbit gun I think. Id have my doubts though about the penetration capability's of a 20gr bullet on a 200yard fox. Whats yer opinions on the round? http://www.hornady.com/store/17-Hornet/

garv123

The Big Fella wrote: »

Would make a lovely 200 yard rabbit gun I think. Id have my doubts though about the penetration capability's of a 20gr bullet on a 200yard fox. Whats yer opinions on the round? http://www.hornady.com/store/17-Hornet/

If i hmr can do it i wouldnt doubt the hornet doing it.

landkeeper

i used to use a .17 centrefire in the past it makes short work of foxes i doubt that'll be any different

kildare.17hmr

hmr is a 200 yard rabbit gun that has dropped a fair amount of foxes close to that range.

The Big Fella

garv123 wrote: »

If i hmr can do it i wouldnt doubt the hornet doing it.

20gr seems way to light to penetrate deep into flesh/bone 200yards IMHO. Id rather you than me try to drop a fox with a hmr at 200yards under the lamp on a ''windy'' night.;)

The Big Fella

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

hmr is a 200 yard rabbit gun that has dropped a fair amount of foxes close to that range.

Im talking about the .17 hornet not the hmr.

landkeeper

it depends on the actual bullet used i'd say a v-max might be marginal enough but if you could get a proper hollow point or soft nose it'd be well up to the job of foxes

garv123

The Big Fella wrote: »

20gr seems way to light to penetrate deep into flesh/bone 200yards IMHO. Id rather you than me try to drop a fox with a hmr at 200yards under the lamp on a ''windy'' night.;)

You said bullet penetration, nothing about wind, under a lamp or me actually doing it:p. Who knows with a bit of practice i might prove u wrong :rolleyes::rolleyes::pac:

kildare.17hmr

The Big Fella wrote: »

Im talking about the .17 hornet not the hmr.

i know that lad i was saying the hmr can do it so the hornet defo will

kildare.17hmr

garv123 wrote: »

You said bullet penetration, nothing about wind, under a lamp or me actually doing it:p. Who knows with a bit of practice i might prove u wrong :rolleyes::rolleyes::pac:

you will get your chance lad just practice loads at that range on paper and rabbits. When you can hit rabbits consistently at that range you will be well able to hit the right spot on a fox at that range

The Big Fella

garv123 wrote: »

You said bullet penetration, nothing about wind, under a lamp or me actually doing it:p. Who knows with a bit of practice i might prove u wrong :rolleyes::rolleyes::pac:

Well you have to take hunting conditions into consideration. Dont get me wrong but I do think the .17 hornet would make a lovely 200 yard small varmint rifle. Its just the fox shooting part that id have my doubts.

kildare.17hmr

The Big Fella wrote: »

Well you have to take hunting conditions into consideration. Dont get me wrong but I do think the .17 hornet would make a lovely 200 yard small varmint rifle. Its just the fox shooting part that id have my doubts.

having used a hmr on foxes iv no doubt the hornet will be up to the job at longer ranges

Tackleberrywho

The Big Fella wrote: »

Would make a lovely 200 yard rabbit gun I think. Id have my doubts though about the penetration capability's of a 20gr bullet on a 200yard fox. Whats yer opinions on the round? http://www.hornady.com/store/17-Hornet/

very Low BC would make wind an issue.
Details
Ballistic Coefficient .185
Sectional Density .097
Test Barrel Length (inches) 24

Price: $25.27

It would be nice to shoot on a Calm day, but how often do we get Calm days in Ireland.

It would be better than the .17HMR true, it would really depend on the price of ammo here to make a fair comparison.

dev110

I think it will be a cracking little round!

As for 'windy' conditions it will do better than the .22 hornet and apparently has the same trajectory as a 55gr .223 :cool:

The Big Fella

dev110 wrote: »

I think it will be a cracking little round!

As for 'windy' conditions it will do better than the .22 hornet and apparently has the same trajectory as a 55gr .223 :cool:

It has the same trajectory out to 200 yards serious drop after that. It would be a nightmare on a windy night trying to hit a fox at distance.

dev110

The Big Fella wrote: »

It has the same trajectory out to 200 yards serious drop after that. It would be a nightmare on a windy night trying to hit a fox at distance.

You are wrong there

Hornady Website wrote:

Based on the 22 Hornet cartridge case, the 17 Hornet propels the 20 gr V-MAX at 3,650 fps. Fueled with Superformance propellent, the 17 Hornet Superformance Varmint is economically priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 gr 223 load, but is a pleasure to shoot with the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. The 17 Hornet – an economical, fun .17 caliber centerfire cartridge that puts the STING on varmints out to 300 yards!

3,650 fps muzzle velocity with a 20 gr. V-MAX bullet
Same C.O.L. as the 2 2 Hornet – uses the existing action
Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR
Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem
Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem

The Big Fella

dev110 wrote: »

Take wind into the equation.

dev110

The Big Fella wrote: »

Look at the graph, the red line .223 at 300 yards drops 7 inches. Where is the .17 hornet yellow line at 300 yards?:rolleyes:

The yellow line is the .22hornet is the yellow line :rolleyes:

Follow the .223 the whole way you will see a red and a blue/purple line!
The Blue/purple line is the .17 hornet :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The Big Fella

dev110 wrote: »

The yellow line is the .22hornet is the yellow line :rolleyes:

Follow the .223 the whole way you will see a red and a blue/purple line!
The Blue/purple line is the .17 hornet :rolleyes::rolleyes:

When your able to shoot in windy conditions you will soon appreciate a high bc.;)

dev110

The Big Fella wrote: »

When your able to shoot in windy conditions you will soon appreciate a high bc.;)

That's great.......:rolleyes:

BC is for long range capabilities also not just wind bucking ability

Mellor

The Big Fella wrote: »

When your able to shoot in windy conditions you will soon appreciate a high bc.;)

BC is a factor alright.
But thats not what you said.

The Big Fella wrote: »

It has the same trajectory out to 200 yards serious drop after that. It would be a nightmare on a windy night trying to hit a fox at distance.

The Big Fella wrote:

Look at the graph, the red line .223 at 300 yards drops 7 inches. Where is the .17 hornet yellow line at 300 yards?

The hornet, is listed as a very similar traj to the .223. It will also be 7" drop at 300yds.

The yellow line isn't the .17 hornet its the .22hornet. It also doesn't have same trajectory to 200yds either, so not sure what you were looking at.

Hondata92

Im going to sound like a broken record but look into the .204

Both calibres zeroed @200yards

17 hornet 20gr vmax

Drop @300yards = 6.40 inches

Energy = 200 ft/lbs

BC .185

Price, $25.27


.204 32gr vmax

Drop @300yards = 4.10 inches

Energy = 512 ft/lbs

BC .210

Price, $25.01



American prices mean nothing here but still the 32gr .204 beats the 20gr 17 hornet, yet for longer ranges the .204 can use the federal 39gr round with a BC of .287 running at 3750fps whilst with the 17 hornet you only have one round (for now)

Dont forget which ammo company (with rifle company) designed the .204;)

IMO the .204 is the perfect fox round for this country especially under the lamp in wind

Tackleberrywho

53grain Superformance, down 5inch at 300 but 716 ft/lbs.
BC .290
Savage round:D.

kildare.17hmr

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

53grain Superformance, down 5inch at 300 but 716 ft/lbs.
BC .290
Savage round:D.

is that .223?

tomcat220t

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

is that .223?

Yea,.223;)

kildare.17hmr

tomcat220t wrote: »

Yea,.223;)

i Cant get them superformance anywhere!

rabbit assassin

It may be a very attractive round but we're still gonna be ripped off here ammo wise , They pay about $15 (€11) for a bulk box of 525 .22 federal in the US, here Im payin €35 ! I think ill stick with the .17HMR it does everything I want out to 200 yards

kildare.17hmr

rabbit assassin wrote: »

It may be a very attractive round but we're still gonna be ripped off here ammo wise , They pay about $15 (€11) for a bulk box of 525 .22 federal in the US, here Im payin €35 ! I think ill stick with the .17HMR it does everything I want out to 200 yards

yeah for price and performance its very hard to beat the hmr

E. Fudd

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

i Cant get them superformance anywhere!

McCarthys in Prosperous have 'em!

cavan shooter

Looked at the video and I am impressed but for foxes I think I will stick to the 22 hornet its carrying more punch out to 200 yards and in 3 years of shooting it the longest shot on a fox at night was 170 yards as I call them in. It will be lovely on crows. Who is making rifles for it at the minute??

Tackleberrywho

cavan shooter wrote: »

Looked at the video and I am impressed but for foxes I think I will stick to the 22 hornet its carrying more punch out to 200 yards and in 3 years of shooting it the longest shot on a fox at night was 170 yards as I call them in. It will be lovely on crows. Who is making rifles for it at the minute??

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/savage/

November 4th, 2011
Savage Will Offer Model 25s Chambered in 17 Hornet
Savage has confirmed that, for 2012, it will add a 17 Hornet chambering to its line-up of Model 25 varmint rifles. Savage’s decision to produce Model 25s in 17 Hornet was inspired by the release of 17 Hornet ammo from Hornady (see video below). This new rifle and ammo combo provides an affordable, centerfire option for varminters who want something more powerful than the 17 HMR. Though it has low recoil, the 17 Hornet cartridge offers plenty of speed. Hornady says its new 17 Hornet ammo will push a 20gr V-Max at 3,650 fps — that’s 1300 fps faster than a 17 HMR loaded with 20-grainers.

Still a Wildcat round, who knows if it will take off.

kildare.17hmr

E. Fudd wrote: »

McCarthys in Prosperous have 'em!

Ya sure?? myself and a mate buy ll our gear out there and have been asking for them but they had every caliber except 223!

The Big Fella

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/savage/

November 4th, 2011
Savage Will Offer Model 25s Chambered in 17 Hornet
Savage has confirmed that, for 2012, it will add a 17 Hornet chambering to its line-up of Model 25 varmint rifles. Savage’s decision to produce Model 25s in 17 Hornet was inspired by the release of 17 Hornet ammo from Hornady (see video below). This new rifle and ammo combo provides an affordable, centerfire option for varminters who want something more powerful than the 17 HMR. Though it has low recoil, the 17 Hornet cartridge offers plenty of speed. Hornady says its new 17 Hornet ammo will push a 20gr V-Max at 3,650 fps — that’s 1300 fps faster than a 17 HMR loaded with 20-grainers.

Still a Wildcat round, who knows if it will take off.

It would be a nice round to shoot if reloading was an option. Id buy one over a 17hmr but not over a .223. @ €13 a box of american eagle why would you bother with the 17 hornet.

poulo6.5

That looks promising as a cheap entry level foxer. I would love a go with one.

Glensman

poulo6.5 wrote: »

That looks promising as a cheap entry level foxer. I would love a go with one.

I have to agree with the other lads. I would rather a .223, or even a .204.

323

Not really new, Hornady have standardized the 17 Ackley Hornet, a wildcat that's been around since the 50's. Has a reputation as the best balanced of the .17's.
A friend in the US had one and claimed it good up to fox size vermin. Kept a few articles on it from old american mags, Petersons i think. Need to search the garage