Major marathons have all had their course records beaten!

TheRoadRunner

Just looking at the 2011 results from the big 5 world marathons run this year !

New york marathon won yesterday in a new course record.
London marathon won in a new course record.
Berlin marathon won in a new course (& world) record.
Chicago won in a new course record.
Boston won in a new course record.

Although the major marathons normally attract the worlds best their records are usually hard to beat and it's amazing each was broken this year. Kenyans must have some magical new training regime. Truly amazing times been run by an array of athletes.

misty floyd

What would you think would be the most impressive run out of those 5 this year? I'm thinking yesterdays time of 2.05.06 on a tough course has to be up there. The time in Boston (unfortunately) will have a question mark over the tail wind.
Obviously Berlin world record, but what are thoughts?

Gringo78

misty floyd wrote: »

What would you think would be the most impressive run out of those 5 this year? I'm thinking yesterdays time of 2.05.06 on a tough course has to be up there. The time in Boston (unfortunately) will have a question mark over the tail wind.
Obviously Berlin world record, but what are thoughts?

Well both times are from the same man in question - Mutai. gives a good idea of how much a difference the wind made that day in Boston.

I think Patrick Makau's time was the most impressive for me - he didn't hesitate to drop Geb from the moment he saw a weakness, showed no respect and just pushed things from there on - at that point he didn't know or care if the pacers were going to stay with him, he knew he was going for the world record and was prepared to do it on his own. He showed to me at that point that he wasn't just a guy who could run a fast marathon with pacers, he showed he was a racer also. He pushed for a world record from a long way out! Will be interesting to see how fast he could go if he had someone challenging him. Probably could take another 15-20sec off.

T runner

misty floyd wrote: »

What would you think would be the most impressive run out of those 5 this year? I'm thinking yesterdays time of 2.05.06 on a tough course has to be up there. The time in Boston (unfortunately) will have a question mark over the tail wind.
Obviously Berlin world record, but what are thoughts?

Wilson Kipsang ran 3:03:42 4 seconds outside world record in Frankfurt last week. There was a deluge before the start meaning he was losing traction with every step. He predicted he would breal the record before and only for teh downpour he would have done so. Its hard to compare though. Yesterdays display with no pacers off a conservative start on such a difficult course was hugely impressive. Hard to gauge Boston. Ryan Halls time was unusually fast also.

robinph

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Kenyans must have some magical new training regime. Truly amazing times been run by an array of athletes.

I think it's call trying to get an Olympic place, and then win the Olympics, and then earn a bit of decent cash from sponsorship.

TheRoadRunner

robinph wrote: »

I think it's call trying to get an Olympic place, and then win the Olympics, and then earn a bit of decent cash from sponsorship.

And how does this differ from previous years? Surely same criteria were in place 4 years ago and not as many were running 2.06 and under. I know things progress but there is massive inprovements in times from a large group. Would love to know if they are doing something different compared to previous years training wise etc.

Krusty_Clown

Meb Keflezighi ran the course yesterday two seconds faster than his winning time in 2009, and came 6th. Goes to show how much progress has been made in just the last two years. By the way, Meb had to stop to get sick at mile 22, so he could have run quicker (but would likely still have come 6th).

myflipflops

There are a lot more Kenyans and Ethiopians going to the marathon at a much younger age.

It's basic maths.

In Kenya especially, the more of these young guys earn a living from the roards, the more young athletes will go straight there after a very short (or non existent) track career.

TheRoadRunner

myflipflops wrote: »

There are a lot more Kenyans and Ethiopians going to the marathon at a much younger age.

True, majority seem to be Kenyan though.

MrCreosote

Incredible times from athletes (mostly) from one country with no anti-doping policy nor proper out-of-competition testing, in an event with large sums of money attached.

Why don't we apply the same level of scepticism to Kenyan marathoners that we do to Jamaican sprinters??

shels4ever

MrCreosote wrote: »

Incredible times from athletes (mostly) from one country with no anti-doping policy nor proper out-of-competition testing, in an event with large sums of money attached.

Why don't we apply the same level of scepticism to Kenyan marathoners that we do to Jamaican sprinters??

Yes but with such numbers running marathons all over the world, 10-15 in some marathons and I can't remember 1 single positive test this year. If what you imply was true there would be some silly lad getting caught.

Pisco Sour

The times are getting faster because more and more people from a country with ideal conditions for developing world class distance runners are focusing on the marathon. Simple really. If twice as many people from Kenya are running marathons now, than say 10 years ago, then that doubles the chances of finding a genetic freak (even by Kenya standards) who can run a crazy time like 2:03 or 2:04.

MrCreosote

The whole "never tested positive" thing is meaningless. With the possible exception of the World Champs, there is absolutely no desire among the big marathon organisers to have their runners test positive. Lets face it, if you fork out 50k on appearance fees, arrange some pacemakers and tell the press the world record is going down, the last thing you want is your big name testing positive.

And the number of out-of-competition blood tests done on the continent of Africa per year can be counted on one hand.

Not saying it's the only possible reason times have come down, some of the improvement is definitely a switch from track to marathon at a younger age. But it's a pretty big elephant in the room nonetheless.

And as for Kenyans being born runners, genetically gifted and hardcore training fanatics...well, I'm sure they are, but that doesn't mean they don't dope as well.

ss43

MrCreosote wrote: »

Incredible times from athletes (mostly) from one country with no anti-doping policy nor proper out-of-competition testing, in an event with large sums of money attached.

Why don't we apply the same level of scepticism to Kenyan marathoners that we do to Jamaican sprinters??

Why do you think there isn't proper out of competition testing? What do you mean by proper?

Up until recently, Kenyans didn't take the marathon seriously. It was what you did if you couldn't do track. I've heard Shaheen got €100 for a 13.00 5k in the last year or two. You'd get 5 times as much for winning the Connemarathon!

So, it used to be that some Kenyans ran pretty good marathon times having already had good track careers. Then more started to go to the marathon and the times improved. Now almost all runners (even ones that would be more suited to shorter distances) are training for the marathon. A culture of marathon running has developed (as opposed to a culture of middle - long distance running) and now they are reaping the rewards. Their middle distance runners are worse than before.

shels4ever

Think the age profile is also an aspect prior to the last few years age profile for the world record holders were alot higher, 30+ , I think Densamo has been the youngest holder in the last 20+ years and that was back in the 80's.
Marathon is becoming a new sport and more of a race now.

Pisco Sour

MrCreosote wrote: »

there is absolutely no desire among the big marathon organisers to have their runners test positive.

The Big City Marathon organisers have no control over who does and doesnt fail drug tests. All doping tests are administered by the IAAF.

myflipflops

ss43 wrote: »

Why do you think there isn't proper out of competition testing? What do you mean by proper?
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There isn't. The Kanyan federation spend nearly nothing on testing athletes out of competition. It's the same with lots (too many) countries.

If you take 'proper' to mean the standards set by the Irish Sports Council, that would be knowing where every listed athlete on any given day. Also, it means testing 22 year olds who lose money hand over fist by continuing in the sport to ensure that they stay clean.

If the Irish system existed everywhere, we would be looking at a completely clean sport. Unforunately, it does not.

MrCreosote makes a very valid point. We do not question the Kenyans enough and we hold them to different standards than we hold the Jamaicans or the Russians or the French. Personally, I believe that all these Kenyan marathon guys are clean but that does not mean that questions should not be asked.

myflipflops

04072511 wrote: »

The Big City Marathon organisers have no control over who does and doesnt fail drug tests. All doping tests are administered by the IAAF.

Absolutely and completely incorrect.

The vast majority of doping tests are administered (or supposed to be administered) by some form of ruling body in each country. This is where the system falls down and why doping prevention in the sport would be helped by banning national federations (bye bye Russia, France, Morocco, Bahrain, Turkey and dare i say it, USA).

The number of tests administered on Irish athletes by the ISC is a huge multiple of number of tests administed on Irish athletes by the IAAF.

Pisco Sour

myflipflops wrote: »

Absolutely and completely incorrect.

The vast majority of doping tests are administered (or supposed to be administered) by some form of ruling body in each country. This is where the system falls down and why doping prevention in the sport would be helped by banning national federations (bye bye Russia, France, Morocco, Bahrain, Turkey and dare i say it, USA).

The number of tests administered on Irish athletes by the ISC is a huge multiple of number of tests administed on Irish athletes by the IAAF.

I know all that. I'm saying that all in competition doping tests that take place during say the London Marathon are administered by the IAAF, not by the organisers of the London Marathon, as was being suggested by a poster here. Would I not be correct there?

For the record, the USA's internal anti-doping has come on in leaps and bounds in recent times.

PVincent

By Omulo Okoth
Kenyans are taking marathon to a new height, sending fears for a possible backlash on road running around the world.
Although they have earned for themselves and managers tidy sums in prize money and commissions - which they invest mainly in real estate, stocks and commercial farms back at home - put plainly, they are ‘killing’ marathon running with their phenomenal performances around the globe and reducing their rivals to virtual ‘also-runs’.

Geoffrey Mutai’s victory in New York City on Sunday in a course record time of 2:05:06 meant this is the first time Kenyan athletes have won all six of the World Marathon Majors in a calendar year - Boston, London, Berlin, Chicago, New York, and this year the World Championships Marathon in Daegu. In fact, Kenyan men took top two positions in all those majors. By finishing second, Emmanuel Mutai also won the 2010-2011 World Marathon Majors series and the Sh50 million ($500,000) bounty that comes with it.

Past winners include Martin Lel, Robert ‘Mwafrika’ Cheruiyot and double winner the late Samuel Wanjiru. Geoffrey Mutai win in New York secured him Sh20 million ($200,000). Mutai ran a jaw dropping 2:03:02 in Boston last April, which could not pass as a world record because of the tail wind along the Boston course.

Emmanuel Mutai, who won London Marathon also in April, was second in New York City with a time of 2:06:28.
Moses Mosop won in Boston (2:05:37), Patrick Makau broke the world record in Berlin and Abel Kirui won the World Championships in Daegu, South Korea.

Now they occupy the top 24 positions in the world marathon rankings this year, starting with Makau’s world record of 2:03:38, to Peter Cheruiyot Kirui’s 2:06:31 run in Frankfurt.

"My fear is that Kenyans may be restricted in future marathon races as we have seen in the past," Paul Tergat, himself a former marathon world record (2:04:55, in Berlin in 2005) told FeverPitch.

Tergat was alluding to past attempts by some marathons to allocated Kenyans limited entries ostensibly because they dominate the front running, which, they argue, does not augur well in marketing of the events.
However, fearing that such restrictions would be interpreted as discrimination and unsporting behaviour, those attempts were substituted with awarding local runners much more prize money than the winners, if the latter were foreigners.
That Kenyans’ and, to some extent, Ethiopians’ dominance, is cause for concern for global athletics chiefs was blamed for the virtual dearth of World Cross Country Championships, which was, for all intents and purposes, reduced to a Kenyan versus Ethiopian show rather than a truly global competition. It is now a biennial competition.
According to Athletics Kenya Public Relations Officer, Peter Angwenyi, Kenyans have this year alone won 83 out of about 100 marathon races. Women have won almost 30 races this year.
Reign supreme
"But we are happy because of the Kenyans’ performance in marathon this year because we know we shall have a very strong team for the London 2012 Olympic Games," he said.
These are not only the races Kenyans dominated this year.
At the BMW Frankfurt Marathon on October 30, Wilson Kipsang fell just four seconds short of his compatriot, Makau’s world mark of 2:03:38, set in Berlin five weeks previously. His 2:03:42 course record in this IAAF Gold Label Road Race, over a minute faster than his 2:04:57 at the German finance capital last year, puts him firmly alongside Makau as a front runner for Kenya’s Olympic Marathon trio for London 2012.
Mamitu Daska of Ethiopia won the women’s race in 2:21:57, while Agnes Kiprop finished second in 2:23:54, with another Kenyan, marathon debutante Flomena Chepchirchir third, in 2:24:21.
In Seoul, James Kipsang Kwambai won the JoongAng Seoul Marathon on Sunday, clocking 2:08:50 after running in rainy and cold conditions.
The 28-year-old was 37 seconds shy of the 2:08:13 course record at this IAAF Silver Label Road Race, set by Jason Mbote in 2006. Last year’s winner, Kenyan David Kemboi Kiyeng, was second in 2:09:21.
Jafred Chirchir Kipchumba smashed the Eindhoven Marathon course record and his personal best with an outstanding run of 2:05:48, which included a second half split of 1:02:35 on October 9.
Georgina Rono made it a double Kenyan triumph in Eindhoven after she covered the last 10km on her own before crossing the line in a course record of 2:24.33.
It also took more than six minutes off her personal best, set when she finished third at the Carpi Marathon last year.

Pisco Sour

For all their dominance, none of their women have come within an asses roar of Paula's World Record (or should I say World Best :rolleyes:).

shels4ever

04072511 wrote: »

For all their dominance, none of their women have come within an asses roar of Paula's World Record (or should I say World Best :rolleyes:).

Wonder what you would think of Pauls time had it been set by a chinese women
I'd say its only matter of time that someone gets close to Pauls time, but just goes to show how good she was at her best.

robinph

04072511 wrote: »

...(or should I say World Best :rolleyes:).

No, you shouldn't.

Pisco Sour

shels4ever wrote: »

Wonder what you would think of Pauls time had it been set by a chinese women

Well if the Chinese woman had achieved 2 World Cross Country golds (3 silver and 1 bronze), 2 World Half golds, a World Outdoor silver, an Olympic 4th and 5th aswell as a 2:18 and 2:17 marathon the previous year, all before she ran 2:15, and then went on afterwards to run several more blistering marathon times, and a World title, then I'd think quite highly of said Chinese woman's time.

Instead we have a bunch of records set by Chinese women who came out of nowhere, and then disappeared back into nowhere. Paul Daniels would be proud! I'll say no more.

Krusty_Clown

Any thoughts on how or why Paula's World record/best is so far ahead of everyone else's? Is it down to very smart training, or just a massive amount of talent/ability?

Does Kenyan distance running not have the same level of emphasis for women, or is it just following a more gradual curve than the progression of Kenyan men from middle long distance to marathon?

shels4ever

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Any thoughts on how or why Paula's World record/best is so far ahead of everyone else's? Is it down to very smart training, or just a massive amount of talent/ability?

Does Kenyan distance running not have the same level of emphasis for women, or is it just following a more gradual curve than the progression of Kenyan men from middle long distance to marathon?

Pure talent i think, but I think the Kenyan women have under performed compared to the men, There was an article somewhere that covered cultural reason as to why that might be the case, family,children etc were all part of it.

ss43

myflipflops wrote: »

There isn't. The Kanyan federation spend nearly nothing on testing athletes out of competition. It's the same with lots (too many) countries.

If you take 'proper' to mean the standards set by the Irish Sports Council, that would be knowing where every listed athlete on any given day. Also, it means testing 22 year olds who lose money hand over fist by continuing in the sport to ensure that they stay clean.

If the Irish system existed everywhere, we would be looking at a completely clean sport. Unforunately, it does not.

MrCreosote makes a very valid point. We do not question the Kenyans enough and we hold them to different standards than we hold the Jamaicans or the Russians or the French. Personally, I believe that all these Kenyan marathon guys are clean but that does not mean that questions should not be asked.

Kenyan athletes are tested out of competition. I don't know how frequently (or how frequently would be considered thorough) but it definitely happens. It's probably only the very top level athletes but that's who we are talking about here with major marathon winners.

ThePiedPiper

I'd have to agree that the Kenyan women have under performed big time. Kenya is still a bit backward in terms of women's rights, etc. I spent a month there a couple of years back, and the attitude is definitely that women's place is in the home, having kids, etc. The men's times have come down a lot because of the huge amount of Kenyan men now getting into distance running, there is not the same large pool of Kenyan women.

I do think though that if Mary Keitany can nail a marathon on a good flat course, that Radcliffe's WR and World Best could be under threat. Mary has already shown that she has the speed over the half distance but has shown a lot of inexperience and naievty in her marathon performances to date. Running under WR time in New York really isn't that clever. But, she definitely has the talent. The Kiplaget ladies similarly would seem to have the talent to push the times back closer to 2.15-2.16 range.

There's no doubt in my mind that Radcliffe's records are amongst the strongest out there, but I believe that if Kenyan women's marathon running was to become more like the men's, then sub 2.20s will become the norm, and the very elite will be running 2.16-2.17 regularly and 2.15 will be within reach.

TFBubendorfer

MrCreosote wrote: »

Incredible times from athletes (mostly) from one country with no anti-doping policy nor proper out-of-competition testing, in an event with large sums of money attached.

Why don't we apply the same level of scepticism to Kenyan marathoners that we do to Jamaican sprinters??

The vast majority of Kenyan runners are so poor they can hardly even afford their shoes. The idea that they would be able to pay for drugs is so ridiculous, it's beyond belief.

How many Kenyans have achieved the Olympic A standard so far? 400? The majority of them are runners nobody has ever heard of, and there is no way they could be on drugs.

With such an incredible strength in depth, it's basically a statistical certainty that a fair amount of them are able to run 2:05, totally clean, and then you get your complete outliers who can run 2:03.

Gringo78

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

The vast majority of Kenyan runners are so poor they can hardly even afford their shoes. The idea that they would be able to pay for drugs is so ridiculous, it's beyond belief.

How many Kenyans have achieved the Olympic A standard so far? 400? The majority of them are runners nobody has ever heard of, and there is no way they could be on drugs.

With such an incredible strength in depth, it's basically a statistical certainty that a fair amount of them are able to run 2:05, totally clean, and then you get your complete outliers who can run 2:03.

+1 Basically you have a whole area of Kenya where the only show in town is running and it is a recognised major way of making money. Their ability to make money from running has dramatically increased in the last few years due to the fact that agents will take them to run for road races in Europe.

The reality is, if there a gem of a runner to be found in Kenya, it is highly likely that they will be found. The reality in Ireland is that it is highly unlikely a talented middle-long distance runner will even run in the first place, let alone run for enough years to be spotted as a genuine talent - too much other stuff going on. We played Hurling in school, that was the only running involved.

Ryan Hall is worlds fastest white guy over marathon distance but its amazing even he has lasted this long in the sport, most talented americans would have got a high paying job after graduating all-american from a top ivy league college like stanford and running would have been over with, unless they were genuinly in line to potentially win an olympic medal (which Hall wasn't, and never will be).

A kenyan just needs to win one second tier marathon like Dublin and they are loaded back in their homeland. €15k for an irishman winning the dublin marathon is less than working for minimum wage.

If Europe wanted to really develop marathoners then what was mentioned in the article of having higher prize money for non-foreigners would be the way. €20k prize money for non-EU residents in the likes of Berlin, London etc would still attract the best Kenyans but then having €100k for the top EU nationals would mean that marathon running could be a genuine career choice. I can't personally see how the Dublin marathon benefitted in any way from having the course record broken and having 7 or 8 africans cross the line in great times - the winning time makes no difference in how many participants choose to run dublin. €15k to the first irishman home would have done a lot more for running in the country

Pherekydes

Gringo78 wrote: »

...from a top ivy league college like stanford...

Stanford is not an Ivy League school.

Gringo78

Pherekydes wrote: »

Stanford is not an Ivy League school.

doh! Stanford is however "Ivy League" in the non-athletic academic/prestige sense that I meant it i.e get your degree there with All American status and you walk into a high paying job in a fortune 500 company - running could never compete with that just like sprinting can't compete with NFL.

MrCreosote

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

The vast majority of Kenyan runners are so poor they can hardly even afford their shoes. The idea that they would be able to pay for drugs is so ridiculous, it's beyond belief.

How many Kenyans have achieved the Olympic A standard so far? 400? The majority of them are runners nobody has ever heard of, and there is no way they could be on drugs.

With such an incredible strength in depth, it's basically a statistical certainty that a fair amount of them are able to run 2:05, totally clean, and then you get your complete outliers who can run 2:03.

The vast majority of Kenyan runners are not entering big city marathons. The top 0.01% that are could easily afford a doping programme- if you know you're not going to get tested out of competition it's not that expensive.

I'll accept the point about statistical outliers, but my point is why the same standards are not applied to Kenyan runners as to athletes from other countries.

And I do find it suspicious that it has gone from Kenyan athletes being the best but still being challenged, to a position of complete and utter dominance, crushing course records everywhere over the last 2-3 years.

ss43

MrCreosote wrote: »

The vast majority of Kenyan runners are not entering big city marathons. The top 0.01% that are could easily afford a doping programme- if you know you're not going to get tested out of competition it's not that expensive.

How could they know that when it's not true?

I'll accept the point about statistical outliers, but my point is why the same standards are not applied to Kenyan runners as to athletes from other countries.

And I do find it suspicious that it has gone from Kenyan athletes being the best but still being challenged, to a position of complete and utter dominance, crushing course records everywhere over the last 2-3 years.

It's less suspicious when you see they're getting worse at shorter races. There used to be big money in track so they all ran track and Kenya was great. Now they money is in marathons so that's where they are going.

As regards why they aren't viewed with the same suspicion as Jamaican sprinters there hasn't been the same amount of positive tests for Kenyans. Off the top of my head I can't think of any high profile Kenyan positive. I think a sprinter was caught coming up to the Beijing Olympics.

Also, seeing their neighbours succeeding gives people confidence. For an awful lot of the aspiring runners this confidence is misplaced and will lead to them killing themselves in training but for the ones with the talent to back it up, it can help them reach 2:03/2:04 levels.

PVincent

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I think that the record at no 66 may stay in place for quite some time ...we tend to forget just how brilliant Catriona was ...and I have no doubt that she would still win today if she had the inclination to run a marathon ...

Pisco Sour

PVincent wrote: »

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I think that the record at no 66 may stay in place for quite some time ...we tend to forget just how brilliant Catriona was ...and I have no doubt that she would still win today if she had the inclination to run a marathon ...

Her Berlin time was the fastest ever debut marathon by a woman at the time.