The short lived Pope John Paul I

Onesimus

Does anyone here find it weird that After His Holiness Pope Paul VI, a Pope was elected and taken by The Lord 33 ( 33 years of Christs life ) days after being in office?

a man who was informal in dress and known for his short and nice anecdotes, He even said himself that he shouldnt be the Pope, that Karol Wojtila sitting next to him was the man for the Job. So after he was taken into paradise Pope John Paul II is elected as his successor.

I have this theory that since Vatican II the flood of modernists in the curia were out to make sure they elected a Pope who they found easy to persuade of their modernism and thus spread it. But, After Pope John Paul I was elected it seems like nobody can get one over on Christ so Christ took our beloved John Paul I 33 days after being in office, and placed the man truly meant for the job in his seat. A man ( Pope John Paul II ) who would become one of the greatest saints and Popes in the history of the Church.

PatricaMcKay2

Do you really believe that?

PatricaMcKay2

http://www.crc-internet.org/oct84.htm

This is MUCH more likely.

Also wasnt JP II an arch-modernist?

Keaton

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

http://www.crc-internet.org/oct84.htm

This is MUCH more likely.

Also wasnt JP II an arch-modernist?

You are so intriguing. For a supposed non-Catholic, you seem to have higher than usual insight into Catholic matters. Yet you don't convince me as a Protestant. I honestly don't quite know what to make of you Patrica!

branie

When Our Lord calls us home, we have to come home to Him

AhSureTisGrand

Well this is certainly an interesting take on the JP I conspiracy theories.

Interesting also that Christ waited until after John Paul's election to finish him, whilst letting the modernists get away scot-free

Onesimus

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Well this is certainly an interesting take on the JP I conspiracy theories.

Interesting also that Christ waited until after John Paul's election to finish him, whilst letting the modernists get away scot-free

John Paul the I was not the victim here. John Paul the I was given the greatest gift of being taken to heaven, a preferance of all Christians over this weary earth.

Christ didnt finish him, he gave him everlasting paradise.

Again with all due respect your post is another perfect example of how humans view God as a bigger version of themselves and equate God with themselves and earthly ways.

If anything the modernists were punished with having to stay here and wallow in their sorrows and watch how Christ used Pope John Paul II to demolish their tricks.

God always gets his way and draws the greater good from every bad deed. He allows it to show his greater glory just like he allowed pharoah to chase them into the red sea. In the end Yahweh always wins.

Onesimus

prinz

I too would be of the belief that John Paul I was given a little push into paradise.

Baggio1

yup he most certainly was done in by the very same line of traitors who are now trying to get rid of Benedict so they can transform the church into a new age infected,false church and they WILL succeed... traitors in our midst for sure

tommy2bad

traitors in our midst for sure

Lunatics more like.
Do ye people really believe the rubbish you sprout?
Christ thwarted the plan of traitors by rewarding their stooge with paradise so His man could get the job by being elected by the very same traitors. That He just put a spoke in the wheel of "The Plan" and hey ho alls back on track.
Jesus Wept.

Baggio1

tommy2bad spout not sprout!

and yeahh i do belioeve what i say yu have yur own opnion as do i so think what ya like and if ya dont like it i wont loose any sleep over ya ...ugh enough to make ya yawn here sometimes.....

tommy2bad

tommy2bad spout not sprout!

No sprout, your kind seem to pop up all over the place. :P

yu have yur own opnion as do i

But my opinion isn't pulled from conspiracy 101.
Back your claims with some evidence not opinion, quote scripture if you must but explain the relevance of it to what your claiming.

.ugh enough to make ya yawn here sometimes.....

Makes me want to tear hair out tbh.

Baggio1

save the hair... bash a teddy instead far more beneficial for stress

to be honest i really dont care if people like what i say or not ... i have a different focus to most people in this country who are quite frankly just grazing sheople.....

so i say what i say,, people dont like it? i dont care! i dont have to care...... no one is forcing anyone to read or take any notice of what i think.... its alll your own doing all that hair pulling

anyway ask santa for a biiiig teddy so you can pumble him when frustrated like this hahahah

tommy2bad

no one is forcing anyone to read or take any notice of what i think.... its alll your own doing all that hair pulling

Baggio1 This is a discussion board, if you want to just share your opinions start a blog.

anyway ask santa for a biiiig teddy so you can pumble him when frustrated like this hahahah

This kind of posting just smacks of trolling.

Baggio1

tommy i dont want to start a blog i dont owe YOU any explanaitions get over yourself , trolling is what you non believers do in here not me ....if the mods wants to ban me for whatever ,, go ahead,,, wont change anything about what ive written

i think your just upset and that a pity... we WERE discussing pope john paul 1 i gave my opinions about the whole thing and you dont seem to be able to handle that... like i said i dont need to back up this or back up that its my OPINION and if yu dont like it... get over it be happy... I am

yutta

Baggio1 wrote: »

tommy i dont want to start a blog i dont owe YOU any explanaitions get over yourself , trolling is what you non believers do in here not me ....if the mods wants to ban me for whatever ,, go ahead,,, wont change anything about what ive written

i think your just upset and that a pity... we WERE discussing pope john paul 1 i gave my opinions about the whole thing and you dont seem to be able to handle that... like i said i dont need to back up this or back up that its my OPINION and if yu dont like it... get over it be happy... I am

Yep. Definite TROLL.

PDN

Let's leave it to the mods to determine who is or isn't a troll. If you think someone is trolling then use the Reported Post Button.

Please do also remember that a troll is someone who posts to deliberately inflame other posters - not just someone you disagree with.

PatricaMcKay2

Keaton wrote: »

You are so intriguing. For a supposed non-Catholic, you seem to have higher than usual insight into Catholic matters. Yet you don't convince me as a Protestant. I honestly don't quite know what to make of you Patrica!

Maybe its because I have in your words higher than usual insight into (Roman) Catholics matters that Im a Protestant?

Keylem

A description of JP I by St. Malachy's Prophecy of Popes:

De medietate Lunæ
(of the half of the moon)
Hist.: Albino Luciani, born in Canale d'Agardo, diocese of Belluno, (beautiful moon) Elected pope on August 26, his reign lasted about a month, from half a moon to the next half...

http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Keylem

This one is about the current Pope:

Gloria olivæ
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order, since a branch of the Benedictine order is called the Olivetans. St Benedict is said to have prophesied that before the end of the world, a member of his order would be Pope and would triumphantly lead the Church in its fight against evil. While the Holy Father chose the name "Benedict", this does not seem enough to fulfil the prophecy. Nor is it clear how Benedict XVI (a Bavarian) is "Glory of the Olives". Since he is said to have remarked in the Conclave after saying he would take the name Benedict that it was partly to honour Benedict XV, a pope of peace and reconciliation, perhaps Benedict XVI will be a peacemaker in the Church or in the World, and thus carry the olive branch.

Doc Farrell

I'm probably going to regret posting but I have to take the bait.

Regarding the OP , no I don't think that Jesus killed the pope because he was a modernist, and I don't think many are of that opinion either. I think that you may find it's outside of Christian thinking to hold that view.

As for the the second poster you are quoting from crc internet which is a strange cult officially outside of the Catholic church. I'm not sure if you know this and to be honest I genuinely don't have enough days left to live to ask why you wouldn't research your sources.

I wish you both well but advise that you consider your views before you post.

Onesimus

Doc Farrell wrote: »

I'm probably going to regret posting but I have to take the bait.

Regarding the OP , no I don't think that Jesus killed the pope because he was a modernist, and I don't think many are of that opinion either. I think that you may find it's outside of Christian thinking to hold that view.

As for the the second poster you are quoting from crc internet which is a strange cult officially outside of the Catholic church. I'm not sure if you know this and to be honest I genuinely don't have enough days left to live to ask why you wouldn't research your sources.

I wish you both well but advise that you consider your views before you post.

I never called Pope John Paul I a modernist, I simply said it was possible thats what was going on in the curia. It's not unChristian to hold the view that much of the clergy are modernist in thought. The facts are out there that many are. It's un-Christian to judge the person and not their actions/views.

If we were to ignore those who hold modernist views that damage the Church, we wouldnt have any Christians left to call un-Christian.

It's important to acknowledge their disastrous views in order to respond to them.

Doc Farrell

Wow, talk about missing my point!
Whether he or you are modernists is of no interest to me. My point is this :
God or Jesus doesn't kill people because of their opinions. He doesn't snuff them out like a mafia boss because they don't fit his agenda.

If anyone disagrees with me on this may I respectfully suggest that they read the first chapter of a book called 'where the hell is God' by Richard Leonard SJ. The chapter is called 'god is not out to get us'.

To say that the views expressed on this forum are wide is an understatement.

Actually I have to add something else. If a poster is serious about their faith then they have a duty and responsibility to think clearly before they post.

I'm pretty sure I don't have the time or the interest in correcting people, especially since I'm wrong so often so perhaps a disclaimer should be made at the top of the forum that the views expressed here might not actually be Christian?

Onesimus

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Wow, talk about missing my point!
Whether he or you are modernists is of no interest to me. My point is this :
God or Jesus doesn't kill people because of their opinions. He doesn't snuff them out like a mafia boss because they don't fit his agenda.

If anyone disagrees with me on this may I respectfully suggest that they read the first chapter of a book called 'where the hell is God' by Richard Leonard SJ. The chapter is called 'god is not out to get us'.

To say that the views expressed on this forum are wide is an understatement.

Actually I have to add something else. If a poster is serious about their faith then they have a duty and responsibility to think clearly before they post.

I'm pretty sure I don't have the time or the interest in correcting people, especially since I'm wrong so often so perhaps a disclaimer should be made at the top of the forum that the views expressed here might not actually be Christian?

Have you ever read the acts of the apostles? that part where Jesus takes the life of both Athanasius and his wife because they held back goods? he struck them dead on the spot. Or King David when he commited adultery his first child was miscarried and then his second child was King Solomon.

God is Love yes but he is also a God of justice and when people sin they bring his justice upon themselves. God created life, he has the right to give it and take it as he pleases but the manner in which he does supersedes the earthly way of thinking. Again calling God some sort of mafia boss out to kill people demonstrates that you and others view God as a bigger version of themselves.

God is not out to get us no, but when we have designs in place to desacrate his holy alter, then we are out to get him, and such actions have their consequences.

tommy2bad

Have you ever read the acts of the apostles? that part where Jesus takes the life of both Athanasius and his wife because they held back goods?

No havn't heard that one and I googled, no result.
Do you have a chapter and verse?
(never thought I ask that of anyone, this place is getting to me)

Keylem

tommy2bad wrote: »

No havn't heard that one and I googled, no result.
Do you have a chapter and verse?
(never thought I ask that of anyone, this place is getting to me)

Here ya go!

Ananias and Sapphira

tommy2bad

Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events

Makes the Galway tent sound tame 8)
It was the whole 'Jesus takes the life of' thing that confused me

Onesimus

Keylem wrote: »

Here ya go!

Ananias and Sapphira

haha. I was going from memory, where did the name ''Athanasius'' come from? hmm lol

Also one must remember the visions of fatima, Garabandal and medjugorje all of which Our Lady speaks about Gods Justice. St.Faustinas diary also shows God's Justice so it's something that cant be ignored.

I have little or no time for the jesuits lately, some of which are coming out with these ''everythings ok'' books and ''there is no hell'' we are ''all ok''.

Saddens me to see a denial of the faith and all in an attempt to bow down to the secular pressure and to somehow appease them.

tommy2bad

I'm shure you were thinking of this guy; Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, who gave a list of the books that would become the twenty-seven-book NT

Onesimus

tommy2bad wrote: »

I'm shure you were thinking of this guy; Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, who gave a list of the books that would become the twenty-seven-book NT

No lol. there are many people with the name Athanasius. I guess I was thinking ''ah whats his name again, it begins with an ''A'' and ius or ias at the end of it'' and finally came up with Athanasius instead of Ananias lol. :D

Doc Farrell

Onesimus wrote: »

God is not out to get us no, but when we have designs in place to desacrate his holy alter, then we are out to get him, and such actions have their consequences.

Well I'm honestly struck dumb by your reasoning for the death of the pope above.

So here is the opinion of Pope John Paul 11 on his predecessor. I don't know if you are a member of the Catholic church but if you are I do hope that you will pause to consider your views.


"What can we say of John Paul I? It seems to us that only yesterday he emerged from this assembly of ours to put on the papal robes—not a light weight. But what warmth of charity, nay, what 'an abundant outpouring of love'—which came forth from him in the few days of his ministry and which in his last Sunday address before the Angelus he desired should come upon the world. This is also confirmed by his wise instructions to the faithful who were present at his public audiences on faith, hope and love."

Keaton

My own opinion about JPI is this: he died naturally in his sleep. Modernists then claimed he made a number of controversial statements (the kind a Pope should not make) in order to promote their agenda, effectively using a dead man as a puppet. They claimed conservatives/traditionalists had him killed before he could 'reform' the Church according to their dreams.

Onesimus

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Well I'm honestly struck dumb by your reasoning for the death of the pope above.

So here is the opinion of Pope John Paul 11 on his predecessor. I don't know if you are a member of the Catholic church but if you are I do hope that you will pause to consider your views.


"What can we say of John Paul I? It seems to us that only yesterday he emerged from this assembly of ours to put on the papal robes—not a light weight. But what warmth of charity, nay, what 'an abundant outpouring of love'—which came forth from him in the few days of his ministry and which in his last Sunday address before the Angelus he desired should come upon the world. This is also confirmed by his wise instructions to the faithful who were present at his public audiences on faith, hope and love."

I'm not saying Pope John Paul I wasnt a nice man, or even that he was a modernist, BUT that was chosen for their own agenda as a man easily influenced. BUT... the Lord knows who it is he has chosen and can see more than me or you ever could. Pope John Paul 1st was no doubt obvlivious to the curias actions I'm sure. But the Lord wasnt so as I said before, John Paul was given paradise, while the rest of them had to sit and watch how the Lord used Pope John Paul II knock the modernists plans and keep them at bay.

Down through the years those who forced a Pope to the throne ( example: the medici Popes ) to the Papal throne all died pretty much within days of being there. The Lord knows who he had picked and it wasnt Pope John Paul I. It was Pope John Paul II.

tommy2bad

John Paul was given paradise, while the rest of them had to sit and watch how the Lord used Pope John Paul II knock the modernists plans and keep them at bay.

Go back to the smokeless coal, them fumes are getting to you!
For all I know you might be right, but your theory requires an interventionist God who in His infinite wisdom twarts modernists and ignores the plight of starving kids refuges and thousands of other much more deserving cases!
See how its a bit hard to square that circle?

Onesimus

tommy2bad wrote: »

Go back to the smokeless coal, them fumes are getting to you!
For all I know you might be right, but your theory requires an interventionist God who in His infinite wisdom twarts modernists and ignores the plight of starving kids refuges and thousands of other much more deserving cases!
See how its a bit hard to square that circle?

Hhaha. Tommy I love your posts. No You see again your bringing God down to your level of thinking. Remember God is not just a bigger version of you Tommy. He can deal with anything he wants in just one go if it should please him.

and... as for ignoring starving kids, this is not true, but to expand on that issue would mean digression from the Original topic.

Newsite

Onesimus wrote: »

I'm not saying Pope John Paul I wasnt a nice man, or even that he was a modernist, BUT that was chosen for their own agenda as a man easily influenced. BUT... the Lord knows who it is he has chosen and can see more than me or you ever could. Pope John Paul 1st was no doubt obvlivious to the curias actions I'm sure. But the Lord wasnt so as I said before, John Paul was given paradise, while the rest of them had to sit and watch how the Lord used Pope John Paul II knock the modernists plans and keep them at bay.

Down through the years those who forced a Pope to the throne ( example: the medici Popes ) to the Papal throne all died pretty much within days of being there. The Lord knows who he had picked and it wasnt Pope John Paul I. It was Pope John Paul II.

I wouldn't even know where to begin with this, so I won't

PDN

tommy2bad wrote: »

Go back to the smokeless coal, them fumes are getting to you!
For all I know you might be right, but your theory requires an interventionist God who in His infinite wisdom twarts modernists and ignores the plight of starving kids refuges and thousands of other much more deserving cases!
See how its a bit hard to square that circle?

Tommy, you are taking this thread way off topic.

If you wish to argue that God never intervenes (or cannot intervene) in human affairs then please start a thread for that purpose.

hinault

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Well I'm honestly struck dumb by your reasoning for the death of the pope above.

So here is the opinion of Pope John Paul 11 on his predecessor. I don't know if you are a member of the Catholic church but if you are I do hope that you will pause to consider your views.


"What can we say of John Paul I? It seems to us that only yesterday he emerged from this assembly of ours to put on the papal robes—not a light weight. But what warmth of charity, nay, what 'an abundant outpouring of love'—which came forth from him in the few days of his ministry and which in his last Sunday address before the Angelus he desired should come upon the world. This is also confirmed by his wise instructions to the faithful who were present at his public audiences on faith, hope and love."

The fact that John Paul II took the name of his predecessor shows the esteem that John Paul II had for his predecessor.