Hunting Regs

charlie40

Hello all hunters
Just a query.I live in the country and dont put in or out with anyone hunting ,but this morning a guy pulled up outside my front gate and left a shot off across the front of my house then left out his dogs to find whatever he shot at.i am really pissed off at the way he left off a shot within 40feet of the house as we have horses in the field he fired into.After i left a shout at him he fled in his Jeep.Is there a law against shooting from a public roadway and so near a house.

kildare.17hmr

yes completely illegal to shoot from the road like that and so close to a house the lad is a fool. Did you see if he was shooting a rifle or shot gun? Did you get the reg?

wildfowler94

charlie40 wrote: »

Hello all hunters
Just a query.I live in the country and dont put in or out with anyone hunting ,but this morning a guy pulled up outside my front gate and left a shot off across the front of my house then left out his dogs to find whatever he shot at.i am really pissed off at the way he left off a shot within 40feet of the house as we have horses in the field he fired into.After i left a shout at him he fled in his Jeep.Is there a law against shooting from a public roadway and so near a house.

Yeah I believe the law is 150 yards from any public road path or houses. an yes no shooting from roadways. although ill say this much be care full what you accuse this person off as he may be doing nothing wrong and he would lose he guns if you reported him so have word on the qt if you see him and say look don't be at it.

WF

johngalway

charlie40 wrote: »

Is there a law against shooting from a public roadway

Yep, very illegal indeed.

charlie40 wrote: »

and so near a house.

More open to interpretation to an individual Garda I think, but seeing that he was shooting from the road and causing a disturbance it'd be the lesser of his problems.

kildare.17hmr

wildfowler there is no law in Ireland stating a distance from the road, once your in the field your good to go once the shot is safe

wildfowler94

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

wildfowler there is no law in Ireland stating a distance from the road, once your in the field your good to go once the shot is safe

yeah I taught that but i read it somewhere ill give a look!

charlie40

Thanks for all quick replies.Haven,t reported this incident and probably wont this time .Just wanted to know where we stood if this happened again.

Boiled-egg

Not sure where I saw it but I'm nearly 100% that the law states no shooting within 70 yards of a public thoroughfare.

kildare.17hmr

it says it on nargc but its not law its sugestion

johngalway

An awful lot of people have done an awful lot of looking and I don't remember awful much being turned up on distances.

landkeeper

sorry but if some numpty shot across the front of our house from his jeep then had the neck to send his dogs out to retrieve whatever i'd be straight onto the guards

Spunk84

charlie40 wrote: »

Hello all hunters
Just a query.I live in the country and dont put in or out with anyone hunting ,but this morning a guy pulled up outside my front gate and let a shot off across the front of my house then let out his dogs to find whatever he shot at.i am really pissed off at the way he let off a shot within 40 feet of the house as we have horses in the field he fired into. After i let a shout at him he fled in his Jeep. Is there a law against shooting from a public roadway and so near a house.Sorry Left was bugging me:D had to edit

No law but common sense. Well what did he hit

kildare.17hmr

landkeeper wrote: »

sorry but if some numpty shot across the front of our house from his jeep then had the neck to send his dogs out to retrieve whatever i'd be straight onto the guards

true that lad

tommyboy26

Its lads like that who give safe shooters a bad name. If someone did that outside my house i would get his reg and report him to the guards and i wouldnt care if his lost his licence

homerhop

Dangerous or annoying activities

5.13

Section 14(15) of the Dublin Police Act 1842 makes it an offence to do any of the following acts in any thoroughfare or public place: to wantonly discharge any firearm or throw or discharge any stone or other missile, to the damage or danger of any person, or make any bonfire, or throw or set fire to any fireworks. Section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847, section 10(2) and (8) of the Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Act 1851 and section 72 of the Towns Improvement (Ireland) Act 1854 contain similar provision. Section 61 of the Dangerous Substances Act 197218 also makes it an offence to throw or cast any fireworks in or onto, or ignite any fireworks in, any highway, street, thoroughfare or public place. It is suggested that the provisions other than the latter might be replaced by a new provision making it an offence without lawful authority or excuse to light any fire or discharge any stone or other missile on, or within 20 metres of the centre of any public road19 so that a road-user is injured, interrupted or endangerd.20 The maximum penalty for the offence should be a fine of £500.

Farmlife

Dublin Police Act 1842? Fireworks? £500?

Did we have fireworks and a fines in the punt in 1842? where did you pull that from if you don't mind me asking?

I'm jumping through hoops to get my licence for a .22 and there's lads doing the likes of this, Aslan were right, Crazy World!!!

homerhop

rgugliel wrote: »

Dublin Police Act 1842? Fireworks? £500?
Did we have fireworks and a fines in the punt in 1842? where did you pull that from if you don't mind me asking?!

http://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/Reports/rDublinPoliceActs.htm

323

tommyboy26 wrote: »

Its lads like that who give safe shooters a bad name. If someone did that outside my house i would get his reg and report him to the guards and i wouldnt care if his lost his licence

Agree 100%

Not open to interpretation as someone stated. Local Garda would have full justification for revoking his licence under the firearms act Section 5. (b)
i.e. a
"person who cannot, without danger to the public safety or to the peace, be permitted to have a firearm in his possession"

Idiots like this make it difficult for all and the likes of rgugliel to get his licence

johngalway

323 wrote: »

Not open to interpretation as someone stated.

Meaning the distance from a dwelling. Show me where it's written down stating a distance if it's not open to interpretation

rabbit assassin

law states you must be at least 60 foot from the road or dwelling, but obviously common courtesy has to kick in, i certainly wouldnt shoot 60 foot from a house or road as i try stay as far as possible ! but yes OP it must be very frustrating , alot of lads after pheasants do "drive by" shooting and by that i mean drive round until they see a bird then shoot it from the road

homerhop

see thats the prob rabbits, there is nothing written down stating that distance, and if there is no one can find it.

landkeeper

its illegal though to shoot from the road and also from a motor vehicle so he was wrong on both counts

homerhop

landkeeper wrote: »

its illegal though to shoot from the road and also from a motor vehicle so he was wrong on both counts

it is landkeeper, but the problem is there is no defined distance anywhere in any of the modern amendments, lads are saying 60y 70y 100y etc yet no one can quote the actual law where it says this

landkeeper

i don't see a problem from reading the ops discription in the 1st post the shooter was as i said wrong on both counts

homerhop

landkeeper wrote: »

i don't see a problem from reading the ops discription in the 1st post the shooter was as i said wrong on both counts

Fair enough with the op, they are right to be upset, but what happens when you are shooting "a safe" distance from a road or house and next thing there is a complaint made against you for "shooting too near a road or house" What may be common sense to me and you may be unreasonable to someone else. There should be a defined distance no w well it is supposed to be one.

sincere113

I don't believe that there is a min distance from a dweling or public road. I think that it comes under reckless discharge of firearm. NARGC and others come up with 60 yds from house or public road to give you some defence, but I failed to ever find any distances quoted. Open to correction though!

Sparks

The relevant bit of legislation turned up in a PQ recently, it's apparently the Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Act 1851 and it says within 60 feet of a public road. Only copy of the Act I can find though is from a post on here When work gets less crazy next week, I was going to dig into it a bit more, but a - very - cursory look didn't turn up any repeals or amendments so far.

However, I doubt that anyone would bother with this in this case, they'd be far more likely to cite "reckless discharge of a firearm" or "hunting from a motorised vehicle", as those offences have more teeth.

deerhunter1

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

wildfowler there is no law in Ireland stating a distance from the road, once your in the field your good to go once the shot is safe

There is i believe and i stand corrected 60 ft from a roadside

kildare.17hmr

Sparks wrote: »

The relevant bit of legislation turned up in a PQ recently, it's apparently the Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Act 1851 and it says within 60 feet of a public road. Only copy of the Act I can find though is from a post on here When work gets less crazy next week, I was going to dig into it a bit more, but a - very - cursory look didn't turn up any repeals or amendments so far.

However, I doubt that anyone would bother with this in this case, they'd be far more likely to cite "reckless discharge of a firearm" or "hunting from a motorised vehicle", as those offences have more teeth.

deerhunter1 wrote: »

There is i believe and i stand corrected 60 ft from a roadside

All the times this has been brought up and this is the first time anything has been found from this country! Everything else has been from the UK!

I also stand corrected

Sparks

Technically, that's from the UK too (1851 ) but it seems it was never specifically repealed (though it seems it's been amended beyond all recognition).

meathstevie

homerhop wrote: »

Dangerous or annoying activities

5.13

Section 14(15) of the Dublin Police Act 1842 makes it an offence to do any of the following acts in any thoroughfare or public place: to wantonly discharge any firearm or throw or discharge any stone or other missile, to the damage or danger of any person, or make any bonfire, or throw or set fire to any fireworks. Section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847, section 10(2) and (8) of the Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Act 1851 and section 72 of the Towns Improvement (Ireland) Act 1854 contain similar provision. Section 61 of the Dangerous Substances Act 197218 also makes it an offence to throw or cast any fireworks in or onto, or ignite any fireworks in, any highway, street, thoroughfare or public place. It is suggested that the provisions other than the latter might be replaced by a new provision making it an offence without lawful authority or excuse to light any fire or discharge any stone or other missile on, or within 20 metres of the centre of any public road19 so that a road-user is injured, interrupted or endangerd.20 The maximum penalty for the offence should be a fine of £500.

Reading this bit of ancient legislation it appears to me that for the offences to be complete the damage and danger conditions have to be fulfilled.

Mellor

meathstevie wrote: »

Reading this bit of ancient legislation it appears to me that for the offences to be complete the damage and danger conditions have to be fulfilled.

Why?
It says OR not AND.

Besides, its an offense under "reckless discharge of a firearm" or "hunting from a motorised vehicle".

meathstevie

Mellor wrote: »

Why?
It says OR not AND.

Besides, its an offense under "reckless discharge of a firearm" or "hunting from a motorised vehicle".

I know it says or and not and but still either one of the two; danger or damage will have to be fulfilled and of course the actions of the person the OP is refering to are offences under more recent legislation.

terminator2

not only is it an offence but , where i live you could easily find yourself on the wrong end of a good beating , and i can only assume its the same in other parts of the country

Mellor

meathstevie wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

Why?
It says OR not AND.

Besides, its an offense under "reckless discharge of a firearm" or "hunting from a motorised vehicle".

I know it says or and not and but still either one of the two; danger or damage will have to be fulfilled and of course the actions of the person the OP is refering to are offences under more recent legislation.

You never said why?
That honestly makes no sense.

It says it's an offense to either;
Discharge a firearm, or
Danger, or
Damage, or
Build a bonfire,
Etc

They are all separate items, under that act discharging alone is illegal, with or without danger or damage

meathstevie

Mellor wrote: »

You never said why?
That honestly makes no sense.

It says it's an offense to either;
Discharge a firearm, or
Danger, or
Damage, or
Build a bonfire,
Etc

They are all separate items, under that act discharging alone is illegal, with or without danger or damage

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, the way I read the first section:

"Section 14(15) of the Dublin Police Act 1842 makes it an offence to do any of the following acts in any thoroughfare or public place: to wantonly discharge any firearm or throw or discharge any stone or other missile,"

is an offence if either of the following circumstances are met :

"to the damage or danger of any person"

and also; the discharge of a firearm or the throwing/catapulting or whatever other act it is that launches a "missile" or stone or whatever other object has to be a wanton act ( as in disorderly, without good reason etc etc ).

If you transport yourself to the Dublin of 1842 imagine the following; two dmp rozzers on the beat on Parkgate Street on an early Tuesday morning in the spring of 1843, one of them is a bit of boyo and out of pure mischief and boredom he discharges his service firearm at an old bucket lying in the gutter for a bit of craic. Unknown to him a carter with a load of coal is coming down from the direction of Castleknock and as a result of the sound of the shot his horse bolts causing all sorts of mayhem destroying the cart and fataly injuring the horse.

The offence would be complete as the discharge of the firearm was without good reason and the poor devil on the cart although unhurt get's the fright of a lifetime and the axle on his cart ended up broken and the horse had to be put down.

Anyway, I've been thoroughly enjoying this discussion and I hope the same goes for you and if push comes to shove in the real world I hope we're both wise enough to avail of the services of a solicitor:).

Mellor

Lol, nice example.

I get what you mean now. If there's nobody around its not a crime. Under those laws only. And i think you're right now. But the in danger is very vague, as is the interrupted one later on.

As mentinoed, theres easier routes to do the right thing now