Your Favourite Pope.

Onesimus

Who is your most favourable Pope who you felt really made a good impact on the Church in the Course of History prior to the 19th century?

Onesimus

PatricaMcKay2

Gregory the Great, who said that any Bishop claiming universal jurisdiction was a forerunner of the Antichrist!

Festus

I think you'll find Pope Gregory was refering to one who claiming the title of Universal Patriarch and sole bishop thereby usurping all other bishops, the Pope included, a title granted by the Emperor and assumed by the Bishop of Constantiople.

"Who does not know that the holy Church is founded on the solidity of the Chief Apostle, whose name expressed his firmness, being called Peter from Petra (Rock)?...Though there were many Apostles, only the See of the Prince of the Apostles...received supreme authority in virtue of its very principate." (Letter to the Patriarch Eulogius of Alexandria, Ep. 7)

Since Pope Gregory the Pope is servus servorum Dei - servant of the servants of God - and not the Universal Patriarch, a title lovingly imposed by anti-Catholic revisionists.

branie

Blessed John Paul II. A great man

Onesimus

branie wrote: »

Blessed John Paul II. A great man

True Braine but this about who is your Favourite pope prior to the 19th century.

branie

St. Peter.

soterpisc

Pope St. Pius X.

scriba

Gregory the Great also, a pope whose writings are soaked in compassion and wisdom. An exegete and influential thinker. Also Celestine I, as the first pope to send a bishop to Irish Christians!

Manach

Pope Pius V.
He seems to be the most effective & memorable, as per Chesterton's poem 'Lepanto'

'The Pope was in his chapel before day or battle broke,
(Don John of Austria is hidden in the smoke.)
The hidden room in a man's house where God sits all the year,
The secret window whence the world looks small and verydear.
He sees as in a mirror on the monstrous twilight sea
The crescent of his cruel ships whose name is mystery;
They fling great shadows foe-wards, making Cross and Castle dark,
They veil the plumed lions on the galleys of St. Mark..'

Onesimus

I quite liked the story of Clement VIII ( 1592 - 1605 ) who kind of reminds me of a John Paul II. He was described as an extremely prayerful man who was a member of the Aristocratic aldobrandini family and he would often make visits to hospitals and tend the sick not to mention washing the feet of pilgrims who came to the Eternal city.

He also encouraged the conversion of the French King Henry IV and reducing the dominance of the Spanish Monarchy over the Vatican. His successor the medici pope Leo XI, died after only 27 days in office, no surprise there. The Lord knows who he picks and who has conspired otherwise.

Clement the VIII was also the Pope who brought about the Union of Brest which saw my UGCC Church unite with Rome.

Jaden

Alexander VI or Pope Innocent IV.

antiskeptic

Onesimus wrote: »

Who is your most favourable Pope who you felt really made a good impact on the Church in the Course of History prior to the 19th century?

Onesimus

Peter.

Onesimus

Jaden wrote: »

Alexander VI or Pope Innocent IV.

Not sure why you picked Alexander VI ( 1492-1503 ) who was known as the worldy Pope whose interests were secular, a doting father of several illegitamite children and used used the Papacy as an instrument to enrich his offspring and further his familys interests.

he died in 1503 most propably from Malaria although some suspected he was poisioned.

I fail to see how he made an impact on the Church for it's good.

Jaden

He was certainly one of the more interesting Popes, and certainly had a good (as in profound) impact on the church, albeit probably not a positive one.

Innocent IV I consider in the same manner. Both, (and there are plenty of other examples) remind us that anything noble can be corrupted. Failure to acknowlege this dooms one to allow the mistake to repeat.

Onesimus

Jaden wrote: »

He was certainly one of the more interesting Popes, and certainly had a good (as in profound) impact on the church, albeit probably not a positive one.

Innocent IV I consider in the same manner. Both, (and there are plenty of other examples) remind us that anything noble can be corrupted. Failure to acknowlege this dooms one to allow the mistake to repeat.

Of course anything noble can be corrupted but we must not allow it to happen at all or condone it just because we want to lecture people on how corrupt something noble can become. We must not allow mistakes to happen at all. No point commiting an evil to make a point or made an example of if you know what I mean. And we must take all measures to ensure evil never happens or to allow it to happen in order to make a valid point as we in ourselves then would be commiting an evil by quite knowingly allowing it to happen.

Jaden

Mistakes happen, simple and stated fact. You cannot simply decide one day you are not going to allow them to happen, no more than you can stand on a beach and command the tide not to come in and wet your feet. What you can do however, is not to allow a mistake to be repeated.

I do not condone the actions of Alexander VI in any way, but I do think there are a great number of lessons to be learned from his reign as Pope. I also think that these mistakes can happen again, if we do not heed the painful lessons taught by history.

Onesimus

Jaden wrote: »

Mistakes happen, simple and stated fact. You cannot simply decide one day you are not going to allow them to happen, no more than you can stand on a beach and command the tide not to come in and wet your feet. What you can do however, is not to allow a mistake to be repeated.

I do not condone the actions of Alexander VI in any way, but I do think there are a great number of lessons to be learned from his reign as Pope. I also think that these mistakes can happen again, if we do not heed the painful lessons taught by history.

No. Your missing my point. I'm saying we must not ''knowingly'' allow a mistake to happen. Mistakes happen sure, and lessons can be learned from them, as in this instance Alexander VI.

Example: Your daughter wants to make the mistake of heading out on the town and getting trashed with drink and drugs, she makes you aware of this. Do you allow it in order that her siblings learn from her mistake? or do you do all in your power to stop her from making this mistake?

hinault

Peter.

sonny.knowles

In before Brent.

Delirium

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