Fringe S04E06 "And Those We've Left Behind" [** SPOILERS **]

FreudianSlippers

The Fringe team must find the pattern between tragic time loop anomalies. As the investigation unfolds, Raymond (guest star Stephen Root), an electrical engineer, and his wife Kate (guest star Romy Rosemont), a professor of theoretical physics, enter the picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5quhr0tPBn8

Remember as well this is the penultimate episode of 2011 with the midseason finale (S04E07) airing on the 18th November and no new Fringe until Episode 8 on the 13th January 2012! :mad:

Richard Dower

^ good man, doing the polls/posts.

aidan_walsh

tragic time loop anomalies

I guess that ends the question about what happened at the end of the last episode.

FreudianSlippers

aidan_walsh wrote: »

I guess that ends the question about what happened at the end of the last episode.

I was thinking it could still have something to do with Peter's return - whether or not there is a connection is interesting.

obrecki

Here is a new promo for the next 3 episodes. It's spoiler heavy (just lettin you now!)
http://youtu.be/zkJI-JXd-bU

kearneybobs

Ah crap. Got my episodes mixed up and voted for this one even though it hasnt aird yet. Oops

Mr E

Very good episode. I think Walter is coming around, slowly...

Stephen Root was great too.

One more episode next week, then it's off until January 13th.

FreudianSlippers

I said very good too... not Fringetastic because it was a bit too much of a "story of the week" episode.

I think in their own way the writers have made it abundantly clear that this is not our universe and that perhaps this is the yellow universe and Peter needs to get back to the blue universe.

That throws up a very large problem where we have interaction between yellow and red universes, although we know (I think) that red doesn't know about any other universes than blue.

Temptamperu

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I said very good too... not Fringetastic because it was a bit too much of a "story of the week" episode.

I think in their own way the writers have made it abundantly clear that this is not our universe and that perhaps this is the yellow universe and Peter needs to get back to the blue universe.

That throws up a very large problem where we have interaction between yellow and red universes, although we know (I think) that red doesn't know about any other universes than blue.

I think your right on the money there, I have thought it a different "verse" since I seen the amber titles.

Great episode though this week. I kinda like the monster of the week ones reminds me of the X-Files.

Redisle

Good episode this week.

Buuut.. huge continuity error.. If Walter has been living at the lab since he came out of the asylum in this timeline, how is there a flatscreen TV at the empty house!?

The Black Oil

Best episode in a while. Kinda fell apart a bit for me in the final 10 minutes or so, but the pacing was good for most of it, then it started to drag a little. The whole 'messing with the time space continuum' type stuff is at the heart of the show, so no real complaints there and I did feel sorry for the guy and his wife, zzzz at 'I want immunity', but hey. Oh, and irritable Walter is just as entertaining as how he normally is.

don ramo

Redisle wrote: »

Buuut.. huge continuity error.. If Walter has been living at the lab since he came out of the asylum in this timeline, how is there a flatscreen TV at the empty house!?

damn you i was just gonna say that:D

this is obviously another slight veriation of our universe, but does anyone think it weird that there also conected to yet another universe, didnt we see olivia meet another altivia earlier in the season,

a very good episode, peters arrivial deffinately had something to do with that machine working, like all the switching of universes had on the otherside,

i couldnt help but laugh when peter said the faraday cage and walters reaction was priceless:D,

i think the writers would wanna be carefull there starting to build up a big stage finale that seems like it could be overeaching,

brilliant

that poor engineer

and poor peter!

The Black Oil

don ramo wrote: »

i couldnt help but laugh when peter said the faraday cage and walters reaction was priceless:D,

i think the writers would wanna be carefull there starting to build up a big stage finale that seems like it could be overeaching,

Haha, yeah that was great. Re your second point, it looks like they're bringing the current Peter plot to some sort of conclusion/change, wonder where things will go after the Christmas break.

What tune was Walter listening to when he had the headphones on?

Richard Dower

Fringe dropped tp a series low with a 1.1 last night: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/12/fringe-falls-15/110437/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29

I personally thought tthe episode was amazing and the best ep. of season 4!, great story....terrifc effects, Walter as per usual was fab, Noble is just wonderful to watch. seems Peter might be in a yellow universe?

FreudianSlippers

don ramo wrote: »

this is obviously another slight veriation of our universe, but does anyone think it weird that there also conected to yet another universe, didnt we see olivia meet another altivia earlier in the season,

Yeah, I mentioned that earlier... which leads me to two possibilities.

1) The universe(s) we knew from seasons 1-3 were blue/red and now we are seeing parallel universes yellow/purple where Peter never existed. That would mean we would eventually have to see blue universe fringe team searching for Peter (or else he's still in the machine). This is what the writers seem to be telling us what is happening. It's obvious from Peter saying he needs to get back to his universe (although it actually isn't his - since he's from redverse). The more I think about it, I think this is a red herring from the writers. That leads to option 2...

2) Yellowverse is blueverse, but the timeline is distorted. There are reasons that this cannot be a separate universe. One is that when Peter used the machine, we see them carry on at the end of season 3 - it would be a major break in continuity to say "oh, what you're seeing is blueverse prior to the machine turning on and yellowverse post the machine".
Also, Olivia and Walter both feel that Peter is missing from their lives. They both saw visions of him, etc. It wouldn't make sense why he was important to them in yellowverse if he truly never existed as a man in yellowverse.

Also, I don't think that this episode with the time machine was a coincidence. This will come into play somehow I think...

expectationlost

great stuff apart from
lincoln nearly gettng himself killed standing around doing a product placement ad for a mobile phone, otherwise loving it.


#myredstapler

yeah its somebody elsewhere said the title screen has amber with blue in the center, not a clear colour its both a timeline and different universe thing, can it be both arn't they kinda the same thing?

FreudianSlippers

expectationlost wrote: »

yeah its somebody elsewhere said the title screen has amber with blue in the center, not a clear colour its both a timeline and different universe thing, can it be both arn't they kinda the same thing?

hm. I'm not convinced it's clear...






You can see them all here.



Think of Lost for a second with Desmond and the constant (and we get Peter mentioning constants a bit in this episode) - so far we have 2/3 universes and one constant: Peter.
Peter is the viewer's constant, messing with him or changing him would put the show on a whole new confusing level. We can get that things will change, but we need one thing that, as viewers, we can attach to and that one thing is Peter.

expectationlost

well the colours aren't my point its whether alternate timelines and alternative universes are the same thing

libra02

expectationlost wrote: »

well the colours aren't my point its whether alternate timelines and alternative universes are the same thing

If I remember right the writers said they were not introducing a 3rd universe.

I think this "amber" we are currently seeing is the "blue" / our universe but obviously without the effect of Peter being alive. This universe is what orginally should have been in existance. However due to September's compassion ( what the other Observers call a mistake) Peter survived.

Peter does not know that the Observers tried to erase him from existance ( again September compassion) and thus believes he is in the wrong place but technically he is home. I think he will discover this, maybe through the Observers intrevention but whether or not it will even snap back to the original blue verse I do not know. Olivia, Lincoln Walter etc may eventually remember Peter but don't think the timeline will reverse to the original events.

I think the amber colour signifies the bridge between the 2 worlds and Peters absence form them then another universe - a third one may be a step too far from the shows point of view.

aidan_walsh

Hmm

Yellow's traditional RYB complementary color is purple, violet, or indigo, while its colorimetrically defined complementary color in both RGB and CMYK color spaces is blue.

They're the most "polar" points on a (well, one Wiki'd) spectrographic chart of an item that would appear blue to the human eye - blue is the peak of the curve while the trough is within the yellow wavelengths.


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I don't know enough to know whether this would be representative of all blue objects to know if there is any definite symbolism involved.

Draw your own conclusions - even if its that I've gone a little loopy after a few drinks



Also, great episode

expectationlost

libra02 wrote: »

If I remember right the writers said they were not introducing a 3rd universe.

I think this "amber" we are currently seeing is the "blue" / our universe but obviously without the effect of Peter being alive. This universe is what orginally should have been in existance. However due to September's compassion ( what the other Observers call a mistake) Peter survived.

Peter does not know that the Observers tried to erase him from existance ( again September compassion) and thus believes he is in the wrong place but technically he is home. I think he will discover this, maybe through the Observers intrevention but whether or not it will even snap back to the original blue verse I do not know. Olivia, Lincoln Walter etc may eventually remember Peter but don't think the timeline will reverse to the original events.

I think the amber colour signifies the bridge between the 2 worlds and Peters absence form them then another universe - a third one may be a step too far from the shows point of view.

yes but the questions has always been, are there really only two universes?, i understand this is different timeline we're seeing, but isn't that different universe too, isn't that what a multiverse is?

iguana

Redisle wrote: »

Good episode this week.

Buuut.. huge continuity error.. If Walter has been living at the lab since he came out of the asylum in this timeline, how is there a flatscreen TV at the empty house!?

I don't think it was a flatscreen. I think it was the device 1985 Walter used to spy on the other universe.

don ramo

expectationlost wrote: »

yes but the questions has always been, are there really only two universes?, i understand this is different timeline we're seeing, but isn't that different universe too, isn't that what a multiverse is?

there are supposedly infinite universes, each one different from the next, some are very similar to our own like the one peter is in now and other sides to both our universe and the one peters currently in, think of them as sheets of paper stacked seperatings each of them as you move each sheet away from the one your currently in they get more and more dirrent, first sheet the bridge down by the river is a different colour, next sheet its a different design, next its loacted further up the river and next its not there at all, remeber walters machine that could see the other side probably saw through one or two sheets so the other universe was almost indentical to ours, but when walter crossed he tore the sheet, and it caused issues over there, so they concentrated a lot more on technology for 20-30 years, so now look different from us more than what they should,

libra02

expectationlost wrote: »

yes but the questions has always been, are there really only two universes?, i understand this is different timeline we're seeing, but isn't that different universe too, isn't that what a multiverse is?

Well technically if a second universe exists obviously there is the pobssiby of there being more - even Walter alluded to this.

However it would not be a different universe. All the same events occured here as it did before just Peter was If you were living there and did not know Peter your life would probabaly not change at all ( and if it did in a small way), it is because Olivia, Walter, Lincoln etc knew Peter is why their lives changed so much.

You got to remember we know what reallly happened with Peter, he doesnt know he was erased, so it would be logical for him to think he droppped back into a different verse. He probably does not know this Olivia was still kidnapped, Alt-Olivia was over here. If he did know that then I think it would click he was in the right place but that something happened to make them all forget him.