MJs doctor...

x in the city

looks like a grade a 'wacko' doctor..

(pardon the pun..)

verdict boardsies?

I say guilty..!!


knowing the yanks he will become a celb and write some best selling books.

jamiecoins

x in the city wrote: »

looks like a grade a 'wacko' doctor..

(pardon the pun..)

verdict boardsies?

I say guilty..!!


knowing the yanks he will become a celb and write some best selling books.

its a thriller alright

Aoifey!

It took me way too long to work out who MJ was.

LH Pathe

Guess who was born yesterday..

MJ means Mick Jones.

Cill Dara Abu

Mick Jagger?

Kojak

Aoifey! wrote: »

It took me way too long to work out who MJ was.

I also wondered what MJS was? I thought it might have been some sort of new shopping centre.....

parrai

Not guilty... Jackson knew what he was doing. Agreed, Murray succumbed to the money, but I don't think he should be held responsible for Jackson wanting to be 'numb'... Drugs to get up, Drugs to function, Drugs to sleep, was bound to happen eventually...

Stop him being a doctor, no jail, timed served with revoking of licence.

tr0llface

I only just realised Michael Jackson. And I personally believe that he did it without thinking that this would happen, and he did it because MJ asked him to.

Dudess

It was his duty to refuse Michael extra medication, but meh, who knows what mitigating circumstances there were.

Da Shins Kelly

Like everyone in Michael Jackson's life, he was probably just another 'yes' man who just agreed with whatever he was told to do because he was getting paid well for it. I don't think he did it deliberately, but he's definitely guilty of negligence. I reckon he'll go down for it anyway.

Sharpshooter

parrai wrote: »

Not guilty... Jackson knew what he was doing. Agreed, Murray succumbed to the money, but I don't think he should be held responsible for Jackson wanting to be 'numb'... Drugs to get up, Drugs to function, Drugs to sleep, was bound to happen eventually...

Stop him being a doctor, no jail, timed served with revoking of licence.

He didn't want to be numb as you put it, he wanted to sleep.

What Murray did was totally wrong sure even the doctor for the defence had to admit he would never leave a patient alone that had been given Propofol, and it was unheard of to give it to someone in their bedroom.

No blood pressure machine or heart monitor, plus he gave CPR when there was nothing wrong with MJ's heart, he just couldn't breathe.

Definitely guilty of gross negligence for a start, the defence would not even go there.

Had he just said NO to the Propofol we wouldn't be discussing this now.

He's BAD!

Paully D

Used as a scapegoat so the family will feel better about themselves that they'll have someone to blame, when in reality they didn't give a **** about Jackson when he needed them most.

Irish Wolf

Racist media obv - if it were a white doc versus a black singer, there wouldn't be half as much curfuffle.

Dudess

Paully D wrote: »

Used as a scapegoat so the family will feel better about themselves that they'll have someone to blame, when in reality they didn't give a **** about Jackson when he needed them most.

I see what you mean and I hate the media/fans take on him as some sort of twisted angel of death, but at the same time, a doctor is bound by a professional and ethical code - why didn't he comply with it? Pressure from Jackson isn't a good enough excuse I'd assume.

Paully D

Dudess wrote: »

I see what you mean and I hate the media/fans take on him as some sort of twisted angel of death, but at the same time, a doctor is bound by a professional and ethical code - why didn't he comply with it? Pressure from Jackson isn't a good enough excuse I'd assume.

Yep, all very true.

Dudess

Irish Wolf wrote: »

Racist media obv - if it were a white doc versus a black singer, there wouldn't be half as much curfuffle.

It's a black doc and black singer, and the cerfuffle is due to the huge fame of the deceased.

Chuck Stone

Irish Wolf wrote: »

Racist media obv - if it were a white doc versus a black singer, there wouldn't be half as much curfuffle.

Huh?

Surely anticipation of accusations of racism would shield the good Doctor so?

If I'm missing the sarcasm I have an excuse; after a few beers.

parrai

Hot Lips wrote: »

He didn't want to be numb as you put it, he wanted to sleep.

What Murray did was totally wrong sure even the doctor for the defence had to admit he would never leave a patient alone that had been given Propofol, and it was unheard of to give it to someone in their bedroom.

No blood pressure machine or heart monitor, plus he gave CPR when there was nothing wrong with MJ's heart, he just couldn't breathe.

Definitely guilty of gross negligence for a start, the defence would not even go there.

Had he just said NO to the Propofol we wouldn't be discussing this now.




He's BAD!

Celebrities, because they have the power, they always get what they want...
Agreed Murray should have said no, but he didn't...
What was Murray to do, stay with jackson 24/7, that is what propofol requires a doctor to do.... Sorry I don't agree, Jackson was a clever man, as seen in many interviews... He would have been aware of the consequences of using such a powerful sedative. He requested the use of this drug to go to sleep!!! How many issues does one have to have to want to be put under to sleep??? I stand by my opinion, drugs to sleep/wake/function/sleep/wake (repeat to fade) literally

I say strike him off, he is deserving of that, as I have said already...
Jail, no, I don't think he deserves jail, taking his licence will stop him from doing something like this to someone else, but in all fairness, I think, Jacksons case was fairly unique... No likely he (Murray) would come up against this again.

Mr. Rager

I honestly couldn't give more of a shít about this long-winded crap

x in the city

Hot Lips wrote: »

He didn't want to be numb as you put it, he wanted to sleep.

What Murray did was totally wrong sure even the doctor for the defence had to admit he would never leave a patient alone that had been given Propofol, and it was unheard of to give it to someone in their bedroom.

No blood pressure machine or heart monitor, plus he gave CPR when there was nothing wrong with MJ's heart, he just couldn't breathe.

Definitely guilty of gross negligence for a start, the defence would not even go there.

Had he just said NO to the Propofol we wouldn't be discussing this now.

He's BAD!

i wouldnt trust him to bandage my thumb.

he never even called 911..

nice

LH Pathe

The man is self righteous, arrogant beyond belief I could swear I heard him say "just call me 'rad". Only in california..

Dudess

x in the city wrote: »

Hot Lips wrote: »

He didn't want to be numb as you put it, he wanted to sleep.

What Murray did was totally wrong sure even the doctor for the defence had to admit he would never leave a patient alone that had been given Propofol, and it was unheard of to give it to someone in their bedroom.

No blood pressure machine or heart monitor, plus he gave CPR when there was nothing wrong with MJ's heart, he just couldn't breathe.

Definitely guilty of gross negligence for a start, the defence would not even go there.

Had he just said NO to the Propofol we wouldn't be discussing this now.

He's BAD!

i wouldnt trust him to bandage my thumb.

he never even called 911..

nice

I wonder why though - maybe it wasn't out of malice but panic.

Irish Wolf

Dudess wrote: »

It's a black doc and black singer, and the cerfuffle is due to the huge fame of the deceased.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Huh?

Surely anticipation of accusations of racism would shield the good Doctor so?

If I'm missing the sarcasm I have an excuse; after a few beers.

*Humour transplant in aisle 4*

parrai

Dudess wrote: »

I wonder why though - maybe it wasn't out of malice but panic.

ironically, had he called the ambulance, he probably still, at least, have suffered brain damage, and eventually would have died, and Murray would still be in the same situation as now.

LH Pathe

Dudess wrote: »

the cerfuffle is due to the huge fame of the deceased.

yeah. His fame was preposterously big in pop cultures peak it could only happen again if it were contrived. like for a world record attempt or something so put it to bed already kids... For no-one will bat an eyelid.

im invisible

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Huh?

Surely anticipation of accusations of racism would shield the good Doctor so?

If I'm missing the sarcasm I have an excuse; after a few beers.

dont mind him he's only trying to troll, he always Wanna be startin' somethin'

LH Pathe

I bet that gaudy bomber jacket with the orange lining like what you would get from Millets could fetch well into the $100,000,000,000's.

Irish Wolf

im invisible wrote: »

dont mind him he's only trying to troll, he always Wanna be startin' somethin'

What would you know - you can't even see The Man in the Mirror.

Chuck Stone

Irish Wolf wrote: »

*Humour transplant in aisle 4*

Lol.

'Pwned' as they say.

Sharpshooter

parrai wrote: »

Agreed Murray should have said no, but he didn't...

That's why MJ is dead, thats why we are discussing this court case.

parrai wrote: »

What was Murray to do, stay with jackson 24/7, that is what propofol requires a doctor to do.... Sorry I don't agree,[

Then you would be in the same boat as Murray, other doctors at the trial admitted he was wrong, the fact that you don't agree does not make you right.

I would go so far as to say they know what they are talking about,no?

parrai wrote: »

Jackson was a clever man, as seen in many interviews... He would have been aware of the consequences of using such a powerful sedative. He requested the use of this drug to go to sleep!!!

He wasn't that clever though was he?
He trusted Murray knew what he was doing, and he had been given Propofol by Murray for some time to get him to sleep.

parrai wrote: »

How many issues does one have to have to want to be put under to sleep???

AFAIK he had had a 16 hour rehearsal for the tour and still couldn't sleep, there could have been other issues for all I know but I'm not Murray, whatever he was told he should never have agreed to the Propofol.

parrai wrote: »

I say strike him off, he is deserving of that, as I have said already...

That goes without saying, he is finished as a doctor no matter what the outcome of the trial.

parrai wrote: »

Jail, no, I don't think he deserves jail, taking his licence will stop him from doing something like this to someone else, but in all fairness, I think, Jacksons case was fairly unique... No likely he (Murray) would come up against this again.

Have you followed the trial at all?

Sharpshooter

Dudess wrote: »

I wonder why though - maybe it wasn't out of malice but panic.

But you have to ask yourself why would he panic?

The hospital is minutes away from Jackson's house yet he started CPR when there was nothing wrong with Michael's heart, no heart monitor.....that says a lot tbh as it would have given a clear indication that the heart wasn't the problem.

He panicked imo because he knew he was fcuked, when the paramedics did get there and asked what meds Micheal was on Murray failed to mention the Propofol and again at the hospital when the doctors asked about his medication he again omitted to tell them he was treating him with the drug.

The defence said it was a detail overlooked on Murray's part.:rolleyes:

Chuck Stone

Just read up what Propofol was and it sounds very more-ish. You can't be giving civilians that shit all the time if you're a doc, surely?

geetar

this case is easy as one, two three.
jacksons idea of Dont stop till you get enough, was Bad.

MJ couldnt Beat it, he loved the way it made him feel.

Dangerous habits were in his Human nature, that being said, if you think Dr.Murray is a Smooth criminal, You are not alone.

parrai

Hot Lips wrote: »

That's why MJ is dead, thats why we are discussing this court case.

I'm sorry, we are discussing whether Murray is guilty and what is he guilty of.
This is a DISCUSSION board and I am entitled to an opinion, it's what I gave and I'm entitled to it.

Hot Lips wrote: »

Then you would be in the same boat as Murray, other doctors at the trial admitted he was wrong, the fact that you don't agree does not make you right.

I am not in the same boat as Murray, I happen to think based on what I have seen in the media, that being the news medias' version of what has happened and the court case, that Murray deserves to be STRUCK OFF.

The other doctors in the court gave their opinion he was wrong but they were not in the situation, what else are they going to say about a serious drug, like propofol, being given to a client to SLEEP???? Murray was wrong, I have stated that, re read my posts.... I am not disputing that...
What we are discussing here is whether Murray is guilty or not.

I have said, I think he should be struck off for his part in the case, but he still does not deserve to go to jail... He did not intentionally set out to kill Michael Jackson.
Striking him off makes sure that he is not in a position to abuse his access to drugs, in the future.

Hot Lips wrote: »

He wasn't that clever though was he?

Jackson was extremely clever, he was known for it in his business dealings.
There is no way, he would not have gone through the pros and cons of taking such a drug as propofol.

Hot Lips wrote: »

He trusted Murray knew what he was doing, and he had been given Propofol by Murray for some time to get him to sleep.

Whilst I agree he should have been able to trust Murray, what kind of problems do you have to have to take an anaesthetic to sleep??

Hot Lips wrote: »

AFAIK he had had a 16 hour rehearsal for the tour and still couldn't sleep, there could have been other issues for all I know but I'm not Murray, whatever he was told he should never have agreed to the Propofol.

100% agreed.
And you can bet there were other issues, otherwise it just doesn't add up!

Sharpshooter

He's just a killer....

Dodd

fjsanchez wrote: »

I honestly couldn't give more of a shít about this long-winded crap

I am happy you took the time to tell us that.

He did it.
He didn't even know what Propofol was before he got the job.
He didn't know basic cpr.?

Also if I c&p what you said to most of posts here I would have some hell of a post count.

parrai

"While Michael Jackson was frustrated because he could not sleep, frustrated because his doctor refused to give him a drug that he preferred, that he wanted, he did an act without his doctor's knowledge, without his doctor's permission," Chernoff said.
He also claimed that Jackson took the final dose of propofol without Murray’s permission.
"There was no CPR, no doctor, no paramedic, no machine that was going to revive Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. "He died so rapidly, so instantly, he didn't have time to close his eyes."


http://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/articles/221737/20110928/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray-trial-shocker-corpse-slurrer-speech-photos-video.htm

Chuck Stone

parrai wrote: »

I have said, I think he should be struck off for his part in the case, but he still does not deserve to go to jail... He did not intentionally set out to kill Michael Jackson.

Would you extend such leniency to a taxi driver for killing someone as a drunk driver?

parrai

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Would you extend such leniency to drunk drivers?

only for drinking buckfast

Chuck Stone

parrai wrote: »

only for drinking buckfast

Would you extend such leniency to a taxi driver for killing someone as a drunk driver?

Sharpshooter

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Would you extend such leniency to a taxi driver for killing someone as a drunk driver?

parrai wrote: »

only for drinking buckfast

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Would you extend such leniency to a taxi driver for killing someone as a drunk driver?

Off topic posts, let that be an end to them.:)

parrai

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Would you extend such leniency to a taxi driver for killing someone as a drunk driver?

i don't follow...

The drunk driver, takes the keys of his car, and gets into the car, that car becomes a dangerous vehicle. If the driver kills somebody, yes they are responsible and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

If a taxi driver kills somebody whilst working, there has to be a set of circumstances... Give me the circumstances and then I'll tell you what I think.

With the drink driver, the minute they put the keys in ignition and drive off, they deserve everything they get.

Sharpshooter

parrai wrote: »

i don't follow...

The drunk driver, takes the keys of his car, and gets into the car, that car becomes a dangerous vehicle. If the driver kills somebody, yes they are responsible and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

If a taxi driver kills somebody whilst working, there has to be a set of circumstances... Give me the circumstances and then I'll tell you what I think.

With the drink driver, the minute they put the keys in ignition and drive off, they deserve everything they get.

This thread is not about drink drivers.

parrai, no more off topic posts!

parrai

Hot Lips wrote: »

This thread is not about drink drivers.

parrai, no more off topic posts!

I was in the middle of writing this when your first warning went up

Sharpshooter

parrai wrote: »

I was in the middle of writing this when your first warning went up

Fair enough, but no more.:)

im invisible

Hot Lips wrote: »

He's just a killer....

that was ADAMSKI, its thriller you're thinking of... :pac:

Carcharodon

This whole trial is another media driven load of crap. The doctor is probably guilty of some negligence and should get his license revoked or what not but seriously the person that killed MJ was f****g MJ.

The man was a freak of nature for Christ sake, one could go on for hours about the weirdo.
If the family are looking for someone to blame, why don't they look in the mirror, family are the ones supposed to be the ones looking out for you.

im invisible

You're right, its not just Black or White

marty1985

Someone must be responsible, someone must go to jail, and if not Murray, Who is it? He tried to hide the evidence, he put stuff In the closet. Remember the time he called the ambulance was much later, MJ had already Gone too soon when the ambulance had Got to be there. MJ took a lot of Dangerous drugs, perhaps even LSD or PYT, who knows. You can say say say what you want, the jury will decide, They don't really care about us or our opinions, but the time has come for a verdict, this is it.

x in the city

i bet he got his doctoral parchments in ko sahn road over a few minutes.

Carcharodon

marty1985 wrote: »

Someone must be responsible, someone must go to jail, and if not Murray, Who is it? He tried to hide the evidence, he put stuff In the closet. Remember the time he called the ambulance was much later, MJ had already Gone too soon when the ambulance had Got to be there. MJ took a lot of Dangerous drugs, perhaps even LSD or PYT, who knows. You can say say say what you want, the jury will decide, They don't really care about us or our opinions, but the time has come for a verdict, this is it.

Why must someone go to jail ? What kind of logic is that. In reality if found guilty he will probably not serve any time anyway.

The whole thing is a circus just like MJ's life.