Banned from LGBT, mod unreasonable

CrystalLettuce

I am extremely upset with the level of corruption displayed by mango_salsa in the LGBT forum.

Here is what happened - I got into an argument about that hateful Sindo article in the LGBT forums. Some non-LGBTs and "open minded gays" flood in to defend it. I bring up the issue with privilege, which is perfectly reasonable when dealing with homophobia and some of the remarks made in the thread. This is widely accepted as valid in LGBT circles. Got told to talk about privilege in another thread. Get into an argument with a guy about privilege. Post my response to the other thread I'd already posted about as he told me to take it to another thread. Get banned for making an off-topic post. In my own thread. Where I was told to post it.

This is almost precisely how it happened - and importantly - when I confronted him about it - he posted a list of links I had already received infractions for before the ban, as well as one that contained no personal attack at all.

I pointed this out to him too, and got an extremely arrogant response that he would not be reviewing my ban. And that the mods are perfectly entitled to determine what is off topic - but this means, effectively, someone can be banned without prior warning. If mods can arbitrarily decide what is "off topic" - then they should not be allowed to issue bans or infractions based on that. Otherwise it's a minefield. Not to mention the fact that he told me to take arguments regarding privilege to another thread, which by the way, is nonsense since privilege is a concept that comes up in every argument of homophobia, and I did just that, despite disagreeing. I was banned for doing what he said, and he could not admit this was wrong.

This is deeply abusive.

Dades

Getting told to take an off-topic discussion elsewhere doesn't mean you can just dump an out-of-context post into an existing thread and carry on from there, and keep the battle going on two fronts.

As an objective first time reader of your "Dealing with Privilege & Allies" thread, I can say the (deleted) post you made in it makes no sense to anyone who wasn't in the thick of the other thread that spawned it.

But in relation to the ban, given the infractions that were building up in this thread, I can understand why the mod has given you a weeks ban to cool down. In fact other mods in other forums wouldn't have let it go so far.

Sorry, I don't see an issue here, let alone anything "deeply abusive".

CrystalLettuce

Dades wrote: »

Getting told to take an off-topic discussion elsewhere doesn't mean you can just dump an out-of-context post into an existing thread and carry on from there, and keep the battle going on two fronts.

As an objective first time reader of your "Dealing with Privilege & Allies" thread, I can say the (deleted) post you made in it makes no sense to anyone who wasn't in the thick of the other thread that spawned it.

But in relation to the ban, given the infractions that were building up in this thread, I can understand why the mod has given you a weeks ban to cool down. In fact other mods in other forums wouldn't have let it go so far.

Sorry, I don't see an issue here, let alone anything "deeply abusive".

"cool down" - what a joke. It has only made me much angrier - boards mods need to learn some responsibility for the consequences of your actions. If you fail as a mod - you fail as a mod. I have zero respect for mango_salsa as a moderator because of his. He is a joke. In this regard, again, you have failed. It was completely unnecessary. Please admit this much - the "cooldown" is a failure. You cannot make people feel persecuted and expect it to cool them down - it's insane - especially towards someone with a history of abuse.

Again, I was told to bring the argument regarding privilege to another thread. It's irrelevant if it "Doesn't make sense" to others who haven't read that thread, as they likely would have read it anyway. I was not consciously disobeying the mod - so I should not have been punished for it. If he'd have sent me a PM clarifying that was not what he meant - that would have been fine. There was no reason to ban me whatsoever. It was clear by takin that post out o that thread, I was attempting. Why else would I bother doing that? Surely if I was intent on disobeying the mod, I would have posted that in the still open thread?


Again - please concede this point.

As far as I am aware - threads are split all the time when an argument goes on a tangent, at least on other forums - how is this any different? I'm not sure how common it is on boards, but on forums in general, it is common. So are you speaking out against this practice as well? Why?


He also claimed a post I made against Sonics2k was a personal attack, which it wasn't, and I take offense to that also.

Again, I was told to take the argument out of the thread - and I did. I had no way of knowing I would be banned for doing so. And again, it should not have even been declared "off topic" in the first place. Mango Salsa is clearly not educated enough with regards privilege to be a mod of the LGBT forum in the fist place.

You cannot have such a minefield in terms of moderation actions where someone can be banned without even knowing they were doing. You cannot have mods arbitrarily decide something is off-topic when they have told you, essentially, otherwise. If you don't see anything wrong with that - you are just as corrupt as he is.

You are also ignoring the fact that more leniency should be offered to LGBT members in the first place - it sucks to be under constant attack - given how many forums err on the site of non-queers. You cannot blame people for reacting poorly to abusive arguments against them, especially ones which declare you a fascist for standing up for your rights.

There is no point even having a dispute forum if you are just going to have each other's backs in this manner. This was wrong, and it should be admitted. I am not going to "cool down" for this ban, it just makes me despise the forum's moderation and makes me want to keep away, which is a shame since I am far more educated in certain areas that others on the forum. If this is resolved, I will share my knowledge. You are not benefiting the forum by upholding this decision. I am sceptical if there is a single boards mod who is capable of swallowing their pride in that regard, though.

Dades

I'm not going to get into a pointless dialogue with you following your inevitable lengthy, conspiratorial disagreement with my post.

If you want someone else to look at your grievance, then an Admin will do so in due course

Annasopra

Hi Crystallettuce you were banned from the forum because your behaviour in the the discussion was extremely disruptive. You kept attacking other posters.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75220000&postcount=44 - attacked foggy lad

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75220052&postcount=45 - attacked newsite

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75220282&postcount=49 - attacked cavehill red

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75220459&postcount=54 - attacked cavehill red

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75220499&postcount=56 - attacked cavehill red

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75220928&postcount=66 - attacked cavehill red

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75220987&postcount=70 - attacked cavehill red

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75221143&postcount=75 - attacked marienbad

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75224749&postcount=98 - attacked apache

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75224912&postcount=105 - attacked stephen_n

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75224983&postcount=107 - attacked fencer

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75226094&postcount=115 - attacked Floggg

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75230970&postcount=179 - attacked foggy lad and wonderful name

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75231244&postcount=185 - attacked apache

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75231453&postcount=188- attacked sonics2k

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75231736&postcount=190 - attacked sonics2


You were derailing the discussion and not listening to anyone else.

You were banned for a week because you were constantly breaking the rules of the forum charter particularly rules 8, 9 and 10

8. Keep things civil. No name calling,
personal abuse, unneccessary aggression,
snide comments, or backseat moderating.
9. While posting of controversial questions
to stimulate debate is acceptable, soap
boxing, i.e. constant repetition of a single
viewpoint while refusing to entertain
discussion on it, is both disruptive and
annoying, and will not be tolerated. You
are expected to contribute something
other than placard proclamations.
10. Attempts to derail discussions in the
forum will not be tolerated. See derailing
for dummies for further information. It is
at the mods discretion to decide if a poster
is attempting to derail a discussion.

Beruthiel

This is a non issue.
The ban stands, you haven't a leg to stand on.