Gallagher & Morgan Fuels

brownswiss · 31-10-2011 8:42pm #1

Any one giving €5K to Fianna Fail expects a very good return on their money....... I am curious about just how corrupt fianna fail were while in govt... Were Ff ever suspected of either trying to protect dodgy business people from cab , customs or gardai. Sean Gallagher seemed very familiar with Morgan's colourfull career so he obviously knew some way of " Helping him out in return for the €5K

gbee · 31-10-2011 8:44pm

It's evidently the opinion of the electorate too.

jonniebgood1 · 31-10-2011 9:12pm

Perhaps we should have passed the Oireachtais referendum to allow an investigation.

gbee · 31-10-2011 9:17pm

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Perhaps we should have passed the Oireachtais referendum to allow an investigation.

I voted for it. But it could be deduced that far TOO many people were afraid to be investigated. Perhaps.

lucozader · 31-10-2011 9:19pm

If Morgan associated with the likes of Gallagher, he must of been doing a lot worse than fuel smuggling.

Einhard · 31-10-2011 9:22pm

gbee wrote: »

I voted for it. But it could be deduced that far TOO many people were afraid to be investigated. Perhaps.

Or afraid of having partisan politicians rooting around in our closets for political gain...

gbee · 31-10-2011 9:28pm

Einhard wrote: »

Or afraid of having partisan politicians rooting around in our closets for political gain...

That too, accepted of course. And assuming this is the motive a good call by the electorate ~ I'm still open on this subject.

tayto lover · 31-10-2011 9:56pm

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Perhaps we should have passed the Oireachtais referendum to allow an investigation.

What ?? You want to give that shower the power to investigate themselves ?
There would have to be very big and heavy carpets for all the sweeping under in that case !!! I would not trust any of them.

jonniebgood1 · 31-10-2011 10:01pm

tayto lover wrote: »

What ?? You want to give that shower the power to investigate themselves ?
There would have to be very big and heavy carpets for all the sweeping under in that case !!! I would not trust any of them.

So you would prefer not investigate the OP.

tayto lover · 31-10-2011 10:07pm

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

So you would prefer not investigate the OP.

It should be left to the Gardai if there is a crime committed. Political corruption is a crime and should be investigated as such. Taking money for voting for planning etc should lead to a prosecution. I do not trust these people to investigate themselves.

nesf · 31-10-2011 11:14pm

gbee wrote: »

That too, accepted of course. And assuming this is the motive a good call by the electorate ~ I'm still open on this subject.

Politicians can't be trusted to be judges over anything. Seriously, look at the kind of muppets we elect over and over again.

tayto lover · 31-10-2011 11:19pm

nesf wrote: »

Politicians can't be trusted to be judges over anything. Seriously, look at the kind of muppets we elect over and over again.

Imagine what the likes of Bertie and Charlie would have done with the powers a passed Referendum like this would bestow on them. They were bad enough without these powers.

jonniebgood1 · 31-10-2011 11:28pm

tayto lover wrote: »

It should be left to the Gardai if there is a crime committed. Political corruption is a crime and should be investigated as such. Taking money for voting for planning etc should lead to a prosecution. I do not trust these people to investigate themselves.

I actually agree fully with you. The legislation was not great, not a solution to the problem it purported to solve. I did feel it was a step along the line to addressing white collar crime though and thus is an opportunity missed. Investigation through tribunals has proved to be a costly and unsatisfactory exercise. The option of Oireachtais enquiry has been turned down by the electorate. So what so we do- Legal prosecution is different to an investigation and the current situation means that things such as the banking guarantee will remain without investigation which is wrong.

jonniebgood1 · 31-10-2011 11:29pm

nesf wrote: »

Politicians can't be trusted to be judges over anything. Seriously, look at the kind of muppets we elect over and over again.

In fairness to the electorate there is never a real choice is there?

tayto lover · 31-10-2011 11:40pm

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I actually agree fully with you. The legislation was not great, not a solution to the problem it purported to solve. I did feel it was a step along the line to addressing white collar crime though and thus is an opportunity missed. Investigation through tribunals has proved to be a costly and unsatisfactory exercise. The option of Oireachtais enquiry has been turned down by the electorate. So what so we do- Legal prosecution is different to an investigation and the current situation means that things such as the banking guarantee will remain without investigation which is wrong.

I think Tribunals are the only way BUT they should be given a specific time and a specific budget. The idea of them running on for years in the past was only a money-making bonanza for solicitors and judges. If they were told they had exactly 6 months and only a certain budget they would soon get their act together. Even the most difficult court cases only last a month or two. Anyway who's to say the way proposed in the failed Referendum would be any faster, cheaper or more honest than a Tribunal ?

Ozymandius2011 · 01-11-2011 7:25am

For the thousandth time: Gallagher says at the time of this supposed meeting he had no idea of Morgan's criminal past. The claim to the contrary is among the most invidious and insidious lies of the election campaign.

irishdude11 · 01-11-2011 9:28am

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

For the thousandth time: Gallagher says at the time of this supposed meeting he had no idea of Morgan's criminal past. The claim to the contrary is among the most invidious and insidious lies of the election campaign.

Of course he knew about his past. If you are told to solicit €5000 from a man you would be given a briefing on his background. You expect us to believe that Gallagher was given zero information on the man he tried to extract 5000 from?

Unless you are making the point that Gallagher is an utter halfwit who just does his FF masters bidding without question?

By the way, Gallagher didnt need to be informed of who Morgan is anyway because he is from the same place as him, Morgan is a very well known businessman in Louth, he sponsors the county team, he was the subject of a Prime Time investigation a couple of months before Gallagher solicited cash from. Of Gallagher knew him, dont be talking complete nonsense.

If by a miracle he somehow didnt already know him he would certainly have been given that information by his FF bosses before being tasked with soliciting cash from him. The only alternative is that Gallagher is a clueless simpleton, so useless that FF weren't even bothered briefing him on the man they got him to call, Gallagher would just do as he was told. I suppose it would be handy for FF to have simpletons like this on hand to do their dirty work of calling up criminals.

jonniebgood1 · 01-11-2011 10:11am

irishdude11 wrote: »

By the way, Gallagher didnt need to be informed of who Morgan is anyway because he is from the same place as him, Morgan is a very well known businessman in Louth, he sponsors the county team, he was the subject of a Prime Time investigation a couple of months before Gallagher solicited cash from. Of Gallagher knew him, dont be talking complete nonsense.

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Your point falls down.
Morgan sponsors Armagh, not Louth.

tayto lover · 01-11-2011 10:18am

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Your point falls down.
Morgan sponsors Armagh, not Louth.

BUT Morgan does have other businesses in the Dundalk area and a big fuel depot in North Louth.
Maybe he will give Gallagher a job driving one of his tankers !

jonniebgood1 · 01-11-2011 10:24am

tayto lover wrote: »

BUT Morgan does have other businesses in the Dundalk area and a big fuel depot in North Louth.

I don't know of him nor have no wish to. Anyone who would want to pay 5k to meet a Taoiseach is a type of person that should be ridiculed. He is the one who should be looked at.

brownswiss · 01-11-2011 10:50am

irishdude11 wrote: »

Of course he knew about his past. If you are told to solicit €5000 from a man you would be given a briefing on his background. You expect us to believe that Gallagher was given zero information on the man he tried to extract 5000 from?

Unless you are making the point that Gallagher is an utter halfwit who just does his FF masters bidding without question?

By the way, Gallagher didnt need to be informed of who Morgan is anyway because he is from the same place as him, Morgan is a very well known businessman in Louth, he sponsors the county team, he was the subject of a Prime Time investigation a couple of months before Gallagher solicited cash from. Of Gallagher knew him, dont be talking complete nonsense.

If by a miracle he somehow didnt already know him he would certainly have been given that information by his FF bosses before being tasked with soliciting cash from him. The only alternative is that Gallagher is a clueless simpleton, so useless that FF weren't even bothered briefing him on the man they got him to call, Gallagher would just do as he was told. I suppose it would be handy for FF to have simpletons like this on hand to do their dirty work of calling up criminals.

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...............So any idea why exactly Morgan was giving 5K at the time...Was he a reformed business man... Was he still supplying " Environmentally Friendly " diesel... or was he under investigation for anything

Corsendonk · 01-11-2011 11:16am

brownswiss wrote: »

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...............So any idea why exactly Morgan was giving 5K at the time...Was he a reformed business man... Was he still supplying " Environmentally Friendly " diesel... or was he under investigation for anything

More importantly why is the GAA an organisation that holds itself up as a pillar of whats good about Ireland accepting sponsorship from a convicted criminal?

tayto lover · 01-11-2011 12:22pm

brownswiss wrote: »

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...............So any idea why exactly Morgan was giving 5K at the time...Was he a reformed business man... Was he still supplying " Environmentally Friendly " diesel... or was he under investigation for anything

Plus all the other 30/35 who attended and gave in the region of 5k each. What were they all getting from F.F. ? I would love an inquiry into planning in general as there is surely some kind of pay-back and this would be one area to start. They were not giving it for nothing.

nesf · 01-11-2011 1:35pm

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

In fairness to the electorate there is never a real choice is there?

Not much of one no. Occasionally you get lucky and have 1 TD in your constituency worth voting for.

tayto lover · 01-11-2011 1:46pm

nesf wrote: »

Not much of one no. Occasionally you get lucky and have 1 TD in your constituency worth voting for.

I seem to be very unlucky so.

Happyman42 · 01-11-2011 1:47pm

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

For the thousandth time: Gallagher says at the time of this supposed meeting he had no idea of Morgan's criminal past. The claim to the contrary is among the most invidious and insidious lies of the election campaign.

Absolute nonsense and if true, more reasons not to vote for the man, if he stumbles around blindly obeying orders like that.

I know FF men who know the seed breed and generation of everyone in the constituency, they could nearly tell who voted for who in a house never mind in a street or a town.
They have guys who have the local knowledge, all parties have, they are nearly trained like CIA operatives. Local knowledge is king.
Gallagher would have been one of these, he knew exactly who he was talking to.:rolleyes:

tayto lover · 01-11-2011 1:52pm

Happyman42 wrote: »

Absolute nonsense and if true, more reasons not to vote for the man, if he stumbles around, blindly obeying, orders like that.

I know FF men who know the seed breed and generation of everyone in the constituency, they could nearly tell who voted for who in a house never mind in a street or a town.
They have guys who have the local knowledge, all parties have, they are nearly trained like CIA operatives. Local knowledge is king.
Gallagher would have been one of these, he knew exactly who he was talking to.:rolleyes:

AND if he didn't he is too stupid to be President.
Maybe they just used Seanie to do the dirty stuff. If so then typical F.F.

Happyman42 · 01-11-2011 2:56pm

tayto lover wrote: »

AND if he didn't he is too stupid to be President.

Absolutely. The day a politician can stand up in front of us and play the gám, like Gallagher did should be long gone.

LordSutch · 01-11-2011 3:04pm

lucozader wrote: »

If Morgan associated with the likes of Gallagher, he must of been doing a lot worse than fuel smuggling.

Yeah, he was associating with Adams!

Happyman42 · 01-11-2011 3:28pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Yeah, he was associating with Adams!

Judging from the amount of people who 'claim' their grandfather/mother was in the GPO in 1916.....that should soon be a plus!

brownswiss · 01-11-2011 4:14pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Plus all the other 30/35 who attended and gave in the region of 5k each. What were they all getting from F.F. ? I would love an inquiry into planning in general as there is surely some kind of pay-back and this would be one area to start. They were not giving it for nothing.

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We can see the results of the €5Ks +++++ for the planning...... houses built in flood areas etc... BUT how low and corrupt did they go?

brownswiss · 01-11-2011 4:18pm

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

For the thousandth time: Gallagher says at the time of this supposed meeting he had no idea of Morgan's criminal past. The claim to the contrary is among the most invidious and insidious lies of the election campaign.

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Ok if Gallagher says so, it is as reliable as if we heard it from FF hadquaters

brownswiss · 01-11-2011 4:24pm

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I don't know of him nor have no wish to. Anyone who would want to pay 5k to meet a Taoiseach is a type of person that should be ridiculed. He is the one who should be looked at.

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Strange bedfellow ideed for Sean Gllagher to be dealing with....

It was quite funny how he knew so much about Morgan when he lost his cool on TV.......Not a very loyal friend after Morgan giving him what he asked for

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