Gaddafi: Good guy or bad guy?

Grassroots_FF

Good guy for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG5vGOsfh5M&feature=fvst

Temptamperu

Snappy dresser.

Chuck Stone

I want proof.

Onesimus

Neither of them ( Gadd and rebels ) are any good.

Killer Pigeon

Trust a grassroots Fianna Fáil member to enter into the realm of revisionism.

Didn't Mr. Haughey have a good relationship with Gaddafi back in the 70s?

(don't member the arms shipment, don't mention the arms shipment)

Grassroots_FF

Temptamperu wrote: »

Snappy dresser.

Dotrel

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

He was a good guy (at least in the wrestling ring)
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Grassroots_FF

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Trust a grassroots Fianna Fáil member to enter into the realm of revisionism.

Didn't Mr. Haughey have a good relationship with Gaddafi back in the 70s?

(don't member the arms shipment, don't mention the arms shipment)

What revisionism? Libya under Gaddafi became the best country in Africa to live in. It was the poorest when he took power. Libya life expectancy is the highest in Africa because Gaddafi used the oil to fund hospitals. All that oil will be given away to western corporations now.

JohnRiver

His name's cool. Muammar... or how i pronounce it anyway: more Momar...Moe-mar?

I'mma name my first child Momar.

And that was about as far as I got into looking into him. I mean what a name...

gigino

He was a great friend of of Martin McG and Martin Ferris + supplied them with huge quantities of arms + explosives when nobody else would. Remember the Marita Ann ?

Sleveile

As good or as bad as the "western" press want you to believe. Is only since the western backed up rising started that he's been really portrayed as being bad. Good enough for the French and English to deal with up to that. Next we'll be discussing Syria which the West has always been scared s*hitless of.

Badgermonkey

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

Libya under Gaddafi became the best country in Africa to live in.

Unless his secret police abducted, tortured and killed you.

Bit of the oul' qualification necessary there.

Grassroots_FF

Sleveile wrote: »

As good or as bad as the "western" press want you to believe. Is only since the western backed up rising started that he's been really portrayed as being bad. Good enough for the French and English to deal with up to that. Next we'll be discussing Syria which the West has always been scared s*hitless of.

I think they might try Venezuala again.

Grassroots_FF

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Unless his secret police abducted, tortured and killed you.

Bit of the oul' qualification necessary there.

That's what the NATO supporters keep saying but there's not really much evidence to suggest that. It certainly wasn't as bad to live in as America's great ally Saudi Arabia which has a dreadful human rights record. And NATO stood by while those poor people in Bahrain were massacred.

partyguinness

Hey, he was a good friend to Irish Republicans so he is alright in my book. To be fair he was clearly nuts...he has to be. But I did admire his 2 fingers approach to the West.

JohnRiver

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Unless his secret police abducted, tortured and killed you.

Bit of the oul' qualification necessary there.

And your name, mo chara, will go to my second child. or maybe it could be a middle name for my first... Momar Badgermonkey...? I wish my parents weren't so boring.

Killer Pigeon

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

What revisionism? Libya under Gaddafi became the best country in Africa to live in. It was the poorest when he took power. Libya life expectancy is the highest in Africa because Gaddafi used the oil to fund hospitals. All that oil will be given away to western corporations now.

Wait, wait ... I would caution you that you're just expanding on your opposition's vast arsenal by making such statements. Of course, I would encourage you to continue in this venture but I fear it may take the honour out of victory.

Grassroots_FF

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Wait, wait ... you're just expanding the arsenal that your vast opposition will use against you. Of course, I would encourage you to continue in this venture.

If Libya under Gaddafi had the highest life expectancy in Africa then surely it's a sign it was a decent place to live with good health care? (by african standards anyway) I'm pretty sure it had high literacy rates too

HLecter

Neither good nor bad, if you're born on that continent you're going to be a mentalist at some point.
Every country needs a leader, Gaddafi just happened to be the chief mentalist and was a bit higher than average for an African leader, or maybe a bit smarter in his strategic abilities. At least he could get things done - whether they were despicable or not, he could play his cards.
Things are different there.

(i int a racialist btw)

ForzaSaints

Gaddaffi's provo army!

JohnRiver

HLecter wrote: »

Neither good nor bad, if you're born on that continent you're going to be a mentalist at some point.
Every country needs a leader, Gaddafi just happened to be the chief mentalist and was a bit higher than average for an African leader, or maybe a bit smarter in his strategic abilities. At least he could get things done - whether they were despicable or not, he could play his cards.
Things are different there.

(i int a racialist btw)

You're crazy though! Like me! but I dunno... the murderous are usually universally renowned as bad dudes, regardless of their upbringing or whatever. Excuses don't nullify, just pardon, and then when it comes to pardoning murder, well, I'm not sure "well I was brought up a murderer" cuts it; I'm fairly sure its proponent would be locked up, as bad guys are.

Pompey Magnus

Good guy, without his help Frodo would never have gotten the ring to Mordor.

Dotrel

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Good guy, without his help Frodo would never have gotten the ring to Mordor.

He was only interested in getting the ring to Frodo.

edgesgirl

Gaddafi- the life and times of a rubber faced lunatic. Gonna make a great TV movie someday. Maybe Sky Atlantic will pick it up.

KeithAFC

Bad. An enemy to Ulster and his own people. Now that he is dead, people are trying to change history and portray him differently to what he actually was.

Killer Pigeon

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

If Libya under Gaddafi had the highest life expectancy in Africa then surely it's a sign it was a decent place to live with good health care? (by african standards anyway) I'm pretty sure it had high literacy rates too

Gaddafi was a military dictator who gained power in an illegitimate coup and isolated his country from the rest of the world.

He disallowed the freedom of speech and the press. He tortured, executed and mercilessly killed thousands of his own countrymen throughout his reign and during the recent civil war.

He trained and supplied terrorist organisations all over the world, including the IRA, which in turn resulted in the deaths of many thousands of innocent people.

In 1988, he ordered the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, which resulted in the deaths of 270 people in Lockerbie, Scotland.

He squandered the wealth of his nation's natural resources and only started to become "generous" to his tortured people in an effort to make himself look good on the international stage.

He was a delusional egocentric mad-man. Yet an average Fianna Fáil grassroots member, such as yourself, in an exemplary revisionist fashion, like that of your party's illusive postmortem of its own demise, would like to see Gaddafi as a "good guy"?

HLecter

KeithAFC wrote: »

Bad. An enemy to Ulster and his own people. Now that he is dead, people are trying to change history and portray him differently to what he actually was.

But...if "Ulster" is British, and he was an enemy to Ulster, how come London was propping him up financially, supplying him, giving his regime 'interrogation' training and giving his sons regiments sas training.

RichieC

HLecter wrote: »

But...if "Ulster" is British, and he was an enemy to Ulster, how come London was propping him up financially, supplying him, giving his regime 'interrogation' training and giving his sons regiments sas training.

London doesn't give a **** about ulster. they're the red headed stepchild.

KeithAFC

HLecter wrote: »

But...if "Ulster" is British, and he was an enemy to Ulster, how come London was propping him up financially, supplying him, giving his regime 'interrogation' training and giving his sons regiments sas training.

The British government did indeed help him out. They have a record with this sort of thing sadly.

willmunny1990

No worse than Martin Mcguinness i suppose...

Sharpshooter

Grassroots_FF wrote: »

Good guy for me

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