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No Ceiling under floorboards!

  • 27-10-2011 4:56pm
    #1
    Monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭


    Hello I am renting a commercial space in Dublin City centre. I've had trouble with sound from a shop below me. I have discovered by lifting some lino that there is no ceiling between the two of the joists under my floor. There are only the floorboards between me and the shop below and I can see through the gaps in the floorboards into the shop.

    Is it legal for the building to be in this condition and if not where can I find the regulations that it violates? Also the shop is owned by a different landlord to the premises i am renting so is it the responsibility of the landlord who owns the shop to fix this ?


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  • #2
    rcdk1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭rcdk1


    You'll most likely find your answer in the Building Regs: Technical Guidance Docs:Part B: Fire Safety.
    http://www.environ.ie/en/TGD/

    I'll have a better look for you later.


  • #3
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Monkey wrote: »
    Hello I am renting a commercial space in Dublin City centre. I've had trouble with sound from a shop below me. I have discovered by lifting some lino that there is no ceiling between the two of the joists under my floor. There are only the floorboards between me and the shop below and I can see through the gaps in the floorboards into the shop.

    1. Is it legal for the building to be in this condition and if not where can I find the regulations that it violates?
    2. Also the shop is owned by a different landlord to the premises i am renting so is it the responsibility of the landlord who owns the shop to fix this ?

    1. yes sounds highly illegal, I would ask the landlord for the fire safety certificate(FSC) for your building. if these are not forthcoming you should seek legal advise as to your responsiblities and also check with your insurance (btw I'm surprised your insurance company hasn't picked this up, you may find if something (touch wood) was to happen that your not in-fact insured because of the lack of FSC
    2. tough one, I'd presume there is some shared responsibility..
    (another btw: was a building energy rating (BER) cert provided?)


  • #4
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    If it were me and it was my business (at risk) I would make contact with the fire officer in the local authoirty and ask them to inspect.


  • #5
    archtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭archtech


    The situation is far from ideal, however how old is the building and how long is it in its present state. If the building in its present state is in existence pre-building regulations, then the situation is not clear cut and could have existed in its present state for many years. The fact that there are two different owners doesn't make the issue any easier.

    Talk to your landlord, if s/he is not concerned, bring it to the fire officer's (prevention) attention, whom can instruct improvement works under the Fire Services Acts.


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