Online tyres, tubeless, quick answer please.

Jacknaw

I'm just about to buy tyres online, I would get them locally but they can't get the one I want, I need to place the order this evening as I have a voucher that's date limited.

I was just about to place the order so was checking all the details are correct but I just took the assumption that all modern branded tyres are tubeless, is this right? its goodyears I'm getting but it doesn't say tubed or tubeless anywhere on the site but as I said I'm assuming they are, I won't be able to get customer services at this time so any quick answers would be great.

Thanks

fabsoul

all modern branded tyres are tubeless as far as i know anyway, but i could be wrong

Jacknaw

I think they pretty much all are too, I just don't want to be kicking myself for getting the wrong tyre, and its a fairly good discount voucher so I don't want to miss it.

Jacknaw

Ordered so hopefully I don't regret it.

mickdw

Jacknaw wrote: »

Ordered so hopefully I don't regret it.

Defo tubeless unless its a wheelbarrow Tyre you are looking at although I think they are tubeless now too.

Jacknaw

Digging this up again,

This order fell through but as it turned out the company said they weren't tubeless anyway, and I tried a different online company who have the same tyre but they say that the are not tubeless either

Am I missing something or is there a particular type of tyre that's still made tubed?
As I said they're goodyears, standard enough size and both of the retailers are two of the biggest online tyre companies.

CiniO

Jacknaw wrote: »

Digging this up again,

This order fell through but as it turned out the company said they weren't tubeless anyway, and I tried a different online company who have the same tyre but they say that the are not tubeless either

Am I missing something or is there a particular type of tyre that's still made tubed?
As I said they're goodyears, standard enough size and both of the retailers are two of the biggest online tyre companies.

give us a link to the on a website

Paddy001

Jacknaw wrote: »

Digging this up again,

This order fell through but as it turned out the company said they weren't tubeless anyway, and I tried a different online company who have the same tyre but they say that the are not tubeless either

Am I missing something or is there a particular type of tyre that's still made tubed?
As I said they're goodyears, standard enough size and both of the retailers are two of the biggest online tyre companies.

Perhaps you misunderstood them? Most tractor, van, truck and car tyres are all tubeless now. Alot of implements and things like wheel barrows are tubed, and some machinery can have tubes as a fix for a puncture, but any modern cars etc. all new tyres are tubeless

Nissan doctor

There are no tyres manufactured for modern cars that are not tubeless.

mickdw

Must be crossed wires surely.

Jacknaw

CiniO wrote: »

give us a link to the on a website

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=31883593.124.21199&typ=R-160063&ranzahl=4&Breite=205&Quer=55&Felge=16&weiter=0&last_sort=brand&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=50&sort_by=brand&Transport=P&dsco=124&sowigan=GAN

Paddy001 wrote: »

Perhaps you misunderstood them? Most tractor, van, truck and car tyres are all tubeless now. Alot of implements and things like wheel barrows are tubed, and some machinery can have tubes as a fix for a puncture, but any modern cars etc. all new tyres are tubeless

That's what I always assumed, I Can't really have misunderstood them, I emailed them and asked are these tyres tubeless? and both sites replied no they're not tubeless tyres.

I can only surmise that those working in the customer service may not have much of a knowledge of tyres and are only reading a spec sheet and unless it says tubeless the assume they're not.

Nissan doctor wrote: »

There are no tyres manufactured for modern cars that are not tubeless.

As above this is what I always thought.

mickdw wrote: »

Must be crossed wires surely.

Probably just that yes, maybe they don't understand the meaning of tubeless.


Thanks for the replies.

Nissan doctor

Am I the only one thinking that everyone running out to buy snow tyres is ridiculous? We've had 2 freak bad winters, does everyone think that global warming has caused out climate to suddenly change like the day after tomorrow movie? IMO the chances of another winter like last year are microscopic.

Jacknaw

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking that everyone running out to buy snow tyres is ridiculous? We've had 2 freak bad winters, does everyone think that global warming has caused out climate to suddenly change like the day after tomorrow movie? IMO the chances of another winter like last year are microscopic.

My decision on these tyres has nothing to do with snow tyres, I need new tyres, so I researched what I wanted and I decided on a 4 season tyre that rates very good in dry and wet and cold, if I wanted a snow tyre or winter tyre I'd have bought one as I can get goodyear winters locally.
Unless you're looking at a different tyre, its neither a snow or winter tyre

MugMugs

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking that everyone running out to buy snow tyres is ridiculous? We've had 2 freak bad winters, does everyone think that global warming has caused out climate to suddenly change like the day after tomorrow movie? IMO the chances of another winter like last year are microscopic.

No I'm with you but the Tyre companies are having a field day. I suppose two years on the trot is making people nervous.

I'm happy to keep my money in my pocket for the time being

Nissan doctor

Jacknaw wrote: »

My decision on these tyres has nothing to do with snow tyres, I need new tyres, so I researched what I wanted and I decided on a 4 season tyre that rates very good in dry and wet and cold, if I wanted a snow tyre or winter tyre I'd have bought one as I can get goodyear winters locally.
Unless you're looking at a different tyre, its neither a snow or winter tyre

The vector 4 in the link you posted are winter tyres, They have the snowflake symbol, they are approved by the German regulations as winter tyres(reading all this from the link), they have the M+S symbol(mud and snow).

They are deemed as all season because they are not studded but in our moderate climate, these tyres would give better grip then standard summer tyres for perhaps 1 or 2 months of the year at best, for the other 10-11 months of moderate temperature dry/wet weather, good quality summer tyres would give much better grip/handling/wear rate, as winter tyres are soft, meaning they will wear much faster on dry roads.

There is a reason that winter tyres have never been marketed in Ireland before, our climate does not warrant them, they are being imported/marketed now solely to feed the need of everyones panic over a couple of bad winters.

Sure everyone is doing it, I hear Skoda and Suzuki adds on the radio advertising their 4x4 range using the couple of bad winters as the selling point. These cars have been available in other markets(and even our market) for years but were very low volume sellers.

YouTookMyName

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking that everyone running out to buy snow tyres is ridiculous? We've had 2 freak bad winters, does everyone think that global warming has caused out climate to suddenly change like the day after tomorrow movie? IMO the chances of another winter like last year are microscopic.

The nerds in the weather forum are **** themselves silly over another crap winter, don't ya know!!

Nissan doctor

YouTookMyName wrote: »

The nerds in the weather forum are **** themselves silly over another crap winter, don't ya know!!

Yeah and one radio report says another bad one is coming and another says its going to be a mild one.

IMO, unless you live up a mountain, a FWD car with decent brand summer tyres and a competent driver behind the wheel will have no problem getting most places in any weather Ireland would get.

Jacknaw

Nissan doctor wrote: »

The vector 4 in the link you posted are winter tyres, They have the snowflake symbol, they are approved by the German regulations as winter tyres(reading all this from the link), they have the M+S symbol(mud and snow).

They're not a winter tyre, if they were a winter they'd be sold as a winter. They're a all season that have a winter rating, meaning they will pass some regulations in countries that require a winter tyre in winter.

These are winters
http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=16713180.124.15151&typ=R-166681&ranzahl=4&Breite=205&Quer=55&Felge=16&weiter=60&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=20&sort_by=brand&Transport=P&dsco=124&sowigan=Wi

Nissan doctor wrote: »

They are deemed as all season because they are not studded but in our moderate climate, these tyres would give better grip then standard summer tyres for perhaps 1 or 2 months of the year at best, for the other 10-11 months of moderate temperature dry/wet weather, good quality summer tyres would give much better grip/handling/wear rate(as winter tyres are soft, meaning they will wear much faster on dry roads.

No, you're confusing winters, all seasons, and snow tyres, studded tyres have nothing to do with winters and absolutely nothing to do with modern all seasons, studded and winters aren't the same.

These particular tyres are classed as all seasons because they're good in several conditions, and maybe try looking up a tyre before making assumptions, they don't wear very fast as they are not a winter, they also preform very well in dry/wet/cold/warm.


There are a multitude of threads here on winters, if you want to debate good/bad can you try one of them as I'm not trying to debate the pro's and con's of winters, different subject and tyre.

But I will say you can't assume that no one will need a winter in our climate without knowing their circumstances, I don't feel I need them which is why I don't intend getting them but you can bet your life if I was driving a lot in a rwd car or was in some isolated parts of this country I'd sure as hell want winters.


Back on topic please, thanks.

Nissan doctor

ok:rolleyes:

Jacknaw

Nissan doctor wrote: »

ok:rolleyes:

Really?

Just because you don't know the difference between a Winter/All season/Studded snow tyre, don't take it out on me, I came here asking a completely different question, you dragged it way off topic.

Sarcasm works in real life, one word replies and a sarcasm smiley are just sad.

ok:rolleyes:

Nissan doctor

Jacknaw wrote: »

Really?

Just because you don't know the difference between a Winter/All season/Studded snow tyre, don't take it out on me, I came here asking a completely different question, you dragged it way off topic.

Sarcasm works in real life, one word replies and a sarcasm smiley are just sad.

ok:rolleyes:

I said OK to 'back to topic please'

I've given up arguing on boards with people who have read all their knowalage online as opposed to having specific training on the subject.


Enjoy your tyres, they will be tubeless BTW.

Jacknaw

Nissan doctor wrote: »

I've given up arguing on boards with people who have read all their knowalage online as opposed to having specific training on the subject.

Funny that, I gave up arguing with mechanics who think they know everything about everything to do with every part of a car:p

Nissan doctor wrote: »

they will be tubeless BTW.

Thanks, I thought so, must be crossed wires in the customer service.

Nissan doctor

Jacknaw wrote: »

Funny that, I gave up arguing with mechanics who think they know everything about everything to do with every part of a car:p

You should go to better mechanics so..

True though, what someone needs is several subject specific training and refresher courses carried out on site and at the Irish HQ of a major premium tyre brand(lets say Bridgestone, for example) before they can properly comment on a certain subject matter.;)

Jacknaw

Nissan doctor wrote: »

True though, what someone needs is several subject specific training and refresher courses carried out on site and at the Irish HQ of a major premium tyre brand(lets say Bridgestone, for example) before they can properly comment on a certain subject matter.;)

Yea but if they mix up studded tyres with winters then maybe the they should pay more attention at those refresher courses:D also I wonder was there any of those new all seasons from bridgestone at those refreshers or are they winters too?



This is getting comical at this point, I remember why I don't frequent forums too much, they bring out bad qualities in me.
They're could be about half of this thread deleted its so ot(some of my own included too)

Nissan doctor

This is getting a bit boring now but there was no mix up in tyre types. And yes they had their new all weather A001's aswell as their full on snow only tyres (with and without studs). I've even driven on all types bar the studded in back to back test, i.e same car, same tyre size, same road surface.

Anyway, we're way off topic, thread question has been answered and what you or I know or don't know is obviously going to be of no benefit to either of us.


EDIT: snap

Jacknaw

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Anyway, we're way off topic, thread question has been answered and what you or I know or don't know is obviously going to be of no benefit to either of us.

Agreed, although I'm still wondering how two major retailers are putting out such wrong info regarding tubed/tubeless, I guess its just one of those things.

Nissan doctor

Jacknaw wrote: »

Agreed, although I'm still wondering how two major retailers are putting out such wrong info regarding tubed/tubeless, I guess its just one of those things.

I'd imagine its more to do with the phone staff. I'm my experience if it doesn't say something in big letters in front of them they haven't a clue.